Worse power 5 coaches than Shannon and golden

[Moro]

Don't short change Randy...he's just as bad if not worse. It's not easy to go from head coach at a major division 1 school to A POSITION COACH at the college level. That man somehow found a way to do that.

The incompetence of these last 2 coaching staffs just highlights the type of self inflicted abuse we've received from the worst administration in the country.

If we were comparing apples to apples I would agree with you. Even after all of the coaches that you guys have named Butch, Saban and Meyer as better HC they never had the budget that was given to Randy. Even with the budget that Randy was given he still managed to lead the 08 team within one game to win the ACC. Now think about that, you gave Golden what he needed to bring in his staff and you didn't even come close.

Richt finally says yes that he would become HC but only if the University is fully committed to pay the cost to compete on this level which included ponying up the money to pay qualified Coordinators. Every radio, news press and blog site screamed that the Administration needed to open up the check book to play with the big boys. If you are honest you would admit that you were among the crowd. Today you crave the possibilities that you now have with Richt but even he knew that he couldn't have been any more successful than Randy or Golden without that money to hire qualified Coordinators. So when you put this in the proper perspective it is very easy to go from HC at a D1 school to a Position Coach not to mention in a league that disproportionately hire minority coaches as HC’s in the P5.

The MINIMUM… With the expectations of winning championships like the above mentioned coaches. None of them can lay claim to producing 14 first round picks in their coaching career. When you break it down Randy did more with less and these HC’s that you guys praise have all the resources anyone can ask for. It sounds very familiar doesn’t it? And I can understand the frustration because even with the minimum he produced more NFL players than any of the above. So you know if the resources were distributed equally he would have outperformed any of them. Hands down!

Shannon didn't suck because he was given less resources than other UM head coaches before and after him.
He sucked because he was not a good HC who was not able to grow the program out of mediocrity.
When you're good, you grow the program and you eventually command more money and commitment by way
of more resources and salaries or otherwise you go somewhere else where you will be given what you need.
You do this when you have leverage, and he didn't because he was not a good HC.
As an example, Stanford gave Jim Harbaugh a bigger commitment to its football program than what they did to
Willingham, Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris because he earned it.

Again you are comparing apples to oranges. Even Harbaugh, Teevens and Harris were given more resources than Randy to start without the expectation of winning NC's and playing in the ACC. These guys had more resources to compete in less competitive conferences and therefore were able to "earn it" as you said. **** they even new they were going to be HC well before NSD neither were a last minute hire and all were hired with adequate time to put together a qualified staff. So again Richt didn't earn a penny of what he asked for but was given it because he told them that is what it's going to take to compete. To grow a program, command more money and "earn it" is what you demand from Richt going forward because we have provided the resources upfront for him to be successful. That is the proper process like it was with Harbaugh, Teevens, Harris and Richt. That is the process that was not given to Randy. You can't deny that.

Actually, he did earn it by way of his resume.
UM did not have to give him anything.
In fact, they did not have to hire him.
But if they wanted him, they were going to commit to what he was asking for.
Why?
Because even as a fired coach, the market said that he was a big-time coach and probably
would have landed another big-time gig this year or in 2017 (if he wanted it).
In contrast, Shannon has been nothing but a positional coach since his UM days.
Again, you don't seem to have a grasp of how the market works in college athletics.
Coaches always get better salaries and commitments than their predecesors.
If you think Kevin Steele got the same commitments and budget at Baylor than Art Briles,
or Hackett at USC vs Pete Carroll, Gary Patterson vs Pat Sullivan at TCU, then you're less of
a college football fan and more of an agenda-driven guy.

You say that UM didn't have to give Richt anything and they didn't have to hire him. Well the facts were confirmed by both Richt and UM that they tried to hire him for years. Richt turned them down every time. And I agree that Richt is a big time coach and he would have landed a Big Time gig somewhere else had he chose. Miami however never had a Big Time coach candidate on Richt's level as a candidate for this job. So Richt’s personal salary speaks for itself that’s not even an issue. However, the hang up in negotiation’s was the money for the coordinators which was the deciding factor for Richt's hire. That is how the market works and that is a separate dollar amounts or budget. And I know that you would like to change the argument to Randy's salary but my augment is and always has been about the budget needed to hire qualified coordinator’s which is separate from the coaches salary.

 

[MedleyCane]

If we were comparing apples to apples I would agree with you. Even after all of the coaches that you guys have named Butch, Saban and Meyer as better HC they never had the budget that was given to Randy. Even with the budget that Randy was given he still managed to lead the 08 team within one game to win the ACC. Now think about that, you gave Golden what he needed to bring in his staff and you didn't even come close.

Richt finally says yes that he would become HC but only if the University is fully committed to pay the cost to compete on this level which included ponying up the money to pay qualified Coordinators. Every radio, news press and blog site screamed that the Administration needed to open up the check book to play with the big boys. If you are honest you would admit that you were among the crowd. Today you crave the possibilities that you now have with Richt but even he knew that he couldn't have been any more successful than Randy or Golden without that money to hire qualified Coordinators. So when you put this in the proper perspective it is very easy to go from HC at a D1 school to a Position Coach not to mention in a league that disproportionately hire minority coaches as HC’s in the P5.

The MINIMUM… With the expectations of winning championships like the above mentioned coaches. None of them can lay claim to producing 14 first round picks in their coaching career. When you break it down Randy did more with less and these HC’s that you guys praise have all the resources anyone can ask for. It sounds very familiar doesn’t it? And I can understand the frustration because even with the minimum he produced more NFL players than any of the above. So you know if the resources were distributed equally he would have outperformed any of them. Hands down!

Shannon didn't suck because he was given less resources than other UM head coaches before and after him.
He sucked because he was not a good HC who was not able to grow the program out of mediocrity.
When you're good, you grow the program and you eventually command more money and commitment by way
of more resources and salaries or otherwise you go somewhere else where you will be given what you need.
You do this when you have leverage, and he didn't because he was not a good HC.
As an example, Stanford gave Jim Harbaugh a bigger commitment to its football program than what they did to
Willingham, Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris because he earned it.

Again you are comparing apples to oranges. Even Harbaugh, Teevens and Harris were given more resources than Randy to start without the expectation of winning NC's and playing in the ACC. These guys had more resources to compete in less competitive conferences and therefore were able to "earn it" as you said. **** they even new they were going to be HC well before NSD neither were a last minute hire and all were hired with adequate time to put together a qualified staff. So again Richt didn't earn a penny of what he asked for but was given it because he told them that is what it's going to take to compete. To grow a program, command more money and "earn it" is what you demand from Richt going forward because we have provided the resources upfront for him to be successful. That is the proper process like it was with Harbaugh, Teevens, Harris and Richt. That is the process that was not given to Randy. You can't deny that.

Actually, he did earn it by way of his resume.
UM did not have to give him anything.
In fact, they did not have to hire him.
But if they wanted him, they were going to commit to what he was asking for.
Why?
Because even as a fired coach, the market said that he was a big-time coach and probably
would have landed another big-time gig this year or in 2017 (if he wanted it).
In contrast, Shannon has been nothing but a positional coach since his UM days.
Again, you don't seem to have a grasp of how the market works in college athletics.
Coaches always get better salaries and commitments than their predecesors.
If you think Kevin Steele got the same commitments and budget at Baylor than Art Briles,
or Hackett at USC vs Pete Carroll, Gary Patterson vs Pat Sullivan at TCU, then you're less of
a college football fan and more of an agenda-driven guy.

You say that UM didn't have to give Richt anything and they didn't have to hire him. Well the facts were confirmed by both Richt and UM that they tried to hire him for years. Richt turned them down every time. And I agree that Richt is a big time coach and he would have landed a Big Time gig somewhere else had he chose. Miami however never had a Big Time coach candidate on Richt's level as a candidate for this job. So Richt’s personal salary speaks for itself that’s not even an issue. However, the hang up in negotiation’s was the money for the coordinators which was the deciding factor for Richt's hire. That is how the market works and that is a separate dollar amounts or budget. And I know that you would like to change the argument to Randy's salary but my augment is and always has been about the budget needed to hire qualified coordinator’s which is separate from the coaches salary.

Changing what argument?
You and your buddy Canezum are trying to make an argument that Shannon was doomed because the UM did not make
the proper commitment by way of budget for assistant coaches and I'm saying that not all coaches start with what they
want or need.
Again, I gave you numerous examples of many coaches who got better resources from their failed predecessors regardless
of color, which dovetails to your thesis (e.g., few minority head coaches, and they get set-up for failure).
Let's be real, Shannon should have never been given the HC job in the first place.
He was a member of a failed staff.
A staff that was given the keys to Butch's Porsche, and a few years the car could not leave the garage.
It was an unprecedented hire, and it failed.
So your argument fails with regards to Shannon.
I've heard it before and I know the agenda.
It's not a good example.
Again, look at coaches and their predecessors, compare and contrast what they were given by
the same employers and drop the race issues for a minute.

 

[MedleyCane]

and one more thing.....I do think there should be more black head coaches.
But there are several reasons why this isn't the case.
Some of it is racism, other reasons are black coaches get "typecast" into recruiting coaches,
especially when they coach RBs and WRs, and it becomes difficult for them to become coordinators
because they are deemed more valuable (to his boss) as one of the main recruiters on staff.
If you're the main recruiter, you won't have the bandwidth to be a coordinator, which in turn
makes it difficult to land a big-time HC gig.
Your problem is using Randy Shannon as an example of discrimination, and that's just a bad example, period.

 

[Orangebowl]

How did this thread turn into 2 black guys talking about racism?

 

[Moro]

Shannon didn't suck because he was given less resources than other UM head coaches before and after him.
He sucked because he was not a good HC who was not able to grow the program out of mediocrity.
When you're good, you grow the program and you eventually command more money and commitment by way
of more resources and salaries or otherwise you go somewhere else where you will be given what you need.
You do this when you have leverage, and he didn't because he was not a good HC.
As an example, Stanford gave Jim Harbaugh a bigger commitment to its football program than what they did to
Willingham, Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris because he earned it.

Again you are comparing apples to oranges. Even Harbaugh, Teevens and Harris were given more resources than Randy to start without the expectation of winning NC's and playing in the ACC. These guys had more resources to compete in less competitive conferences and therefore were able to "earn it" as you said. **** they even new they were going to be HC well before NSD neither were a last minute hire and all were hired with adequate time to put together a qualified staff. So again Richt didn't earn a penny of what he asked for but was given it because he told them that is what it's going to take to compete. To grow a program, command more money and "earn it" is what you demand from Richt going forward because we have provided the resources upfront for him to be successful. That is the proper process like it was with Harbaugh, Teevens, Harris and Richt. That is the process that was not given to Randy. You can't deny that.

Actually, he did earn it by way of his resume.
UM did not have to give him anything.
In fact, they did not have to hire him.
But if they wanted him, they were going to commit to what he was asking for.
Why?
Because even as a fired coach, the market said that he was a big-time coach and probably
would have landed another big-time gig this year or in 2017 (if he wanted it).
In contrast, Shannon has been nothing but a positional coach since his UM days.
Again, you don't seem to have a grasp of how the market works in college athletics.
Coaches always get better salaries and commitments than their predecesors.
If you think Kevin Steele got the same commitments and budget at Baylor than Art Briles,
or Hackett at USC vs Pete Carroll, Gary Patterson vs Pat Sullivan at TCU, then you're less of
a college football fan and more of an agenda-driven guy.

You say that UM didn't have to give Richt anything and they didn't have to hire him. Well the facts were confirmed by both Richt and UM that they tried to hire him for years. Richt turned them down every time. And I agree that Richt is a big time coach and he would have landed a Big Time gig somewhere else had he chose. Miami however never had a Big Time coach candidate on Richt's level as a candidate for this job. So Richt’s personal salary speaks for itself that’s not even an issue. However, the hang up in negotiation’s was the money for the coordinators which was the deciding factor for Richt's hire. That is how the market works and that is a separate dollar amounts or budget. And I know that you would like to change the argument to Randy's salary but my augment is and always has been about the budget needed to hire qualified coordinator’s which is separate from the coaches salary.

Changing what argument?
You and your buddy Canezum are trying to make an argument that Shannon was doomed because the UM did not make
the proper commitment by way of budget for assistant coaches and I'm saying that not all coaches start with what they
want or need.
Again, I gave you numerous examples of many coaches who got better resources from their failed predecessors regardless
of color, which dovetails to your thesis (e.g., few minority head coaches, and they get set-up for failure).
Let's be real, Shannon should have never been given the HC job in the first place.
He was a member of a failed staff.
A staff that was given the keys to Butch's Porsche, and a few years the car could not leave the garage.
It was an unprecedented hire, and it failed.
So your argument fails with regards to Shannon.
I've heard it before and I know the agenda.
It's not a good example.
Again, look at coaches and their predecessors, compare and contrast what they were given by
the same employers and drop the race issues for a minute.

My argument has been consistent from the start, Randy was not given the budget for coordinators. Rather than admit the truth which is obvious that he was not given the money for coordinators you would rather find HC after HC to compare Randy to. Just think, you measured Randy’s success to the very top coaches in the league and I crushed your argument in every way by breaking it down to show that it's not apple to apples comparison. Then you go and find three more from a lesser conference and without any NC expectations and I break that down to show that even there you don't have an apples to apples comparison. Now, that it is clear to you that it's not a fair comparison you now want to accuse me of having an agenda. All because I made it clear to you that if Randy started off with only a fraction of what everyone knows is needed to compete then we need to find a common denominator to solve this problem. And when I pointed out that helping recruits reach their ultimate goal which is making it to the league and getting their degrees Randy out performed all of these guys you listed. Hands down.

 

[MedleyCane]

And you know for a fact how much money was allocated to Shannon for assistant coaches?
Wasn't he after Dirk Koetter?
Whipple, Bill Young, McGriff and Stoutland were pretty good assistant coaches.
Give us a breakdown of how much budget Shannon was given vs what his predecessor and successor got.
You know this well (apparently), so indulge us.
As far as helping his players reach the league and getting their degrees, that is a good thing, but I don't know what
that has to do with the examples I have provided you.
Bottom line in college football is winning football games, above everything else.
You're obfuscating, ducking and weaving from the reality that Shannon was a failure of a HC.
Nothing personal against Shannon.
It was what it was.
Pick another name to move your agenda.

 

[Moro]

and one more thing.....I do think there should be more black head coaches.
But there are several reasons why this isn't the case.
Some of it is racism, other reasons are black coaches get "typecast" into recruiting coaches,
especially when they coach RBs and WRs, and it becomes difficult for them to become coordinators
because they are deemed more valuable (to his boss) as one of the main recruiters on staff.
If you're the main recruiter, you won't have the bandwidth to be a coordinator, which in turn
makes it difficult to land a big-time HC gig.
Your problem is using Randy Shannon as an example of discrimination, and that's just a bad example, period.

I never used Randy as an example of discrimination. The fact that after I proved his success as a HC with the resources that were given to him and how he overachieved with the bare minimum as opposed to his peers who were given everything anyone can ask for, your last arguments becomes "agenda", "Race" and "Discrimination". It's typical for these arguments to be raised against anyone willing to challenge the false information in public. It's easy to be a coward and accuse someone of those things rather than it is to point out these unfair practices and the false information that you help circulate.

 

[Moro]

How did this thread turn into 2 black guys talking about racism?

It has nothing to do with Black, White, Brown, Yellow and Red people. You can point to any place on the globe where people have spoke truth to power and you will find at least one trader among the people that stands up in defense of power.

 

[Canezum5]

How did this thread turn into 2 black guys talking about racism?

It has nothing to do with Black, White, Brown, Yellow and Red people. You can point to any place on the globe where people have spoke truth to power and you will find at least one trader among the people that stands up in defense of power.

So. How does the guy know whose black and who isn't?

Because, I'm white.

 

[Canezum5]

A few of my friends that aren't canes fans, have no bias whatsoever or hate towards Al Golden like I do, have told me multiple times that Al Golden is the worst HC of all time right there with Derek Dooley.

It's easy for us to say that he is the worst, with our orange and green glasses and hate for him, but I honestly believe it's the **** truth. For what kind of program he took over and what his view that he wanted it to look like and how he ran it.. it was a complete joke.

Don't short change Randy...he's just as bad if not worse. It's not easy to go from head coach at a major division 1 school to A POSITION COACH at the college level. That man somehow found a way to do that.

The incompetence of these last 2 coaching staffs just highlights the type of self inflicted abuse we've received from the worst administration in the country.

If we were comparing apples to apples I would agree with you. Even after all of the coaches that you guys have named Butch, Saban and Meyer as better HC they never had the budget that was given to Randy. Even with the budget that Randy was given he still managed to lead the 08 team within one game to win the ACC. Now think about that, you gave Golden what he needed to bring in his staff and you didn't even come close.

Richt finally says yes that he would become HC but only if the University is fully committed to pay the cost to compete on this level which included ponying up the money to pay qualified Coordinators. Every radio, news press and blog site screamed that the Administration needed to open up the check book to play with the big boys. If you are honest you would admit that you were among the crowd. Today you crave the possibilities that you now have with Richt but even he knew and said that he couldn't be any more successful than Randy or Golden without that money to hire qualified Coordinators. So when you put this in the proper perspective it is very easy to go from HC at a D1 school to a Position Coach not to mention in a league that disproportionately hire minority coaches as HC’s in the P5.

The MINIMUM… With the expectations of winning championships like the above mentioned coaches. None of them can lay claim to producing 14 first round picks in their coaching career. When you break it down Randy did more with less and these HC’s that you guys praise have all the resources anyone can ask for. It sounds very familiar doesn’t it? And I can understand the frustration because even with the minimum he produced more NFL players than any of the above. So you know if the resources were distributed equally he would have outperformed any of them. Hands down!

Moro, bro. I'm telling you man. Quit while you're ahead. He will ignore every point and fact you state. He will continue to regurgitate the whole "position coach" bullshid like it means Something.

These dudes are dumb AF when it comes to seeing the big picture. How many black head coaches are there? Name 20? Trust me when I say... These dudes have tunnel vision and they will never see your point of view

I agree with you Canezum5, but I think that it is important for us Brown, Black and other minorities to speak out against all of this misinformation because as you can see if we let it go unchecked it becomes true to the uninformed. And it further validate the people in power who uses these examples as to why minorities cannot be leaders on any level.

I see what you're doing and I agree. But lets be real, a lot of our fans are either racist or lack empathy. Especially the guys on this board.

Look at how you are destroying their arguments but yet they cant seem to own up. They have to fight tooth and nail because they know deep down inside that Randy Shannon was done bad by the university. Shedding light on inequality rubs entitled, brainwashed, close minded and empathy lacking folks the wrong way.

They have to defend what they know is wrong because they dont see the world for what it is. Just what they want it to be.

 

[Orangebowl]

Anybody who believes Shannon was treated unfairly needs to be banned from the website. The whole rationale is that Golden was given year 5 (or 6 games of year 5 anyway) so Shannon should have too? The reality is that Golden should have been fired after year 4 as well. I guess it worked out for us because Cristobal (a downgrade to both Shannon and Golden) might be coach right now if Golden had been fired after 2014.

 

[Samson Doyo]

Shannon was not a good head coach. Very good to great D-coordinator, but over his head as head coach. Donna Shalala was one of the establishment bigots responsible for that decision. Now she will have a seat in Hilary's adminsitration?! **** the man! Vote Trump!!!

Go Canes!

 

[Zbrod95]

Don't short change Randy...he's just as bad if not worse. It's not easy to go from head coach at a major division 1 school to A POSITION COACH at the college level. That man somehow found a way to do that.

The incompetence of these last 2 coaching staffs just highlights the type of self inflicted abuse we've received from the worst administration in the country.

If we were comparing apples to apples I would agree with you. Even after all of the coaches that you guys have named Butch, Saban and Meyer as better HC they never had the budget that was given to Randy. Even with the budget that Randy was given he still managed to lead the 08 team within one game to win the ACC. Now think about that, you gave Golden what he needed to bring in his staff and you didn't even come close.

Richt finally says yes that he would become HC but only if the University is fully committed to pay the cost to compete on this level which included ponying up the money to pay qualified Coordinators. Every radio, news press and blog site screamed that the Administration needed to open up the check book to play with the big boys. If you are honest you would admit that you were among the crowd. Today you crave the possibilities that you now have with Richt but even he knew and said that he couldn't be any more successful than Randy or Golden without that money to hire qualified Coordinators. So when you put this in the proper perspective it is very easy to go from HC at a D1 school to a Position Coach not to mention in a league that disproportionately hire minority coaches as HC’s in the P5.

The MINIMUM… With the expectations of winning championships like the above mentioned coaches. None of them can lay claim to producing 14 first round picks in their coaching career. When you break it down Randy did more with less and these HC’s that you guys praise have all the resources anyone can ask for. It sounds very familiar doesn’t it? And I can understand the frustration because even with the minimum he produced more NFL players than any of the above. So you know if the resources were distributed equally he would have outperformed any of them. Hands down!

Moro, bro. I'm telling you man. Quit while you're ahead. He will ignore every point and fact you state. He will continue to regurgitate the whole "position coach" bullshid like it means Something.

These dudes are dumb AF when it comes to seeing the big picture. How many black head coaches are there? Name 20? Trust me when I say... These dudes have tunnel vision and they will never see your point of view

I agree with you Canezum5, but I think that it is important for us Brown, Black and other minorities to speak out against all of this misinformation because as you can see if we let it go unchecked it becomes true to the uninformed. And it further validate the people in power who uses these examples as to why minorities cannot be leaders on any level.

I see what you're doing and I agree. But lets be real, a lot of our fans are either racist or lack empathy. Especially the guys on this board.

Look at how you are destroying their arguments but yet they cant seem to own up. They have to fight tooth and nail because they know deep down inside that Randy Shannon was done bad by the university. Shedding light on inequality rubs entitled, brainwashed, close minded and empathy lacking folks the wrong way.

They have to defend what they know is wrong because they dont see the world for what it is. Just what they want it to be.

Quit being a race baiter. Yea he didn't have the money for his assistants or the sufficient funding from the university to compete with bigger but he was still a terrible coach who couldn't make up his mind on anything. Quick question??was Tyrone Willingham fired from ND or UW because he was black??how bout Turner Gill at Kansas?? Was he fired because he was black?? Is Kevin Sumlin on the hot seat at TAMU because he's black?? How bout Charlie Strong or Darrell Hazel at Purdue?? You're being closed minded and ignorant if you believe Randy lost his job due to racism or any other coaches mentioned. I don't see anyone calling for Willie Taggert's job or David Shaw's job...in fact he's probably going to coach in the NFL one day, I didn't hear anyone slam Syracuse for hiring Dino Babers or Mike Jinks being hired at Bowling Green, or Frank Wilson being hired at UTSA and they're all Black.

 

[KevinCaneFace]

Anybody that thinks Randy was fired unjustly must have forgotten about 48-0. They forgot about his management of Robert Marve and Jacory Harris. They forgot about the recruiting class in his fourth season. They forgot about USF. Terrible coach.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

I think it has already been proven that RS recruiting class in his 4th year wasn't bad. The same class that produce nfl starters in Hurns, Walford, Linder, Henderson and countless other nfl players. That being said, he was fired because he didn't win. Were their racial motives to a number of our fans disliking him? Of course but at the end of the day he was fired because he didn't win. There will always be racists individuals but you can't blame them for any shortcomings. We went into 2010 ranked in the top 10. Some analysts predicted us to go to the BCS or to go no less than 11-1 and we proceeded to go 7-5. That's underachieving. Al never had those expectations. He did undeservedly get raise but that wasn't racism it was just a bunch of idiots running the athletic programing.

RS wasn't nearly as bad as some make it. His 2010 class produced some quite a few nfl players and many on here still say it sucked. However I attribute that to the misinformed. Any race wasn't why he was fired it was underachieving in year 4 and the administration needing a scapegoat for Shapiro (The cheapest booster ever).

 

[Zbrod95]

I think it has already been proven that RS recruiting class in his 4th year wasn't bad. The same class that produce nfl starters in Hurns, Walford, Linder, Henderson and countless other nfl players. That being said, he was fired because he didn't win. Were their racial motives to a number of our fans disliking him? Of course but at the end of the day he was fired because he didn't win. There will always be racists individuals but you can't blame them for any shortcomings. We went into 2010 ranked in the top 10. Some analysts predicted us to go to the BCS or to go no less than 11-1 and we proceeded to go 7-5. That's underachieving. Al never had those expectations. He did undeservedly get raise but that wasn't racism it was just a bunch of idiots running the athletic programing.

RS wasn't nearly as bad as some make it. His 2010 class produced some quite a few nfl players and many on here still say it sucked. However I attribute that to the misinformed. Any race wasn't why he was fired it was underachieving in year 4 and the administration needing a scapegoat for Shapiro (The cheapest booster ever).

+ 1 for you, probably one of the most logical answers on this thread about Shannon. A lot of people forget Shawn Eichorst gave Al his extention.

 

[Moro]

I think it has already been proven that RS recruiting class in his 4th year wasn't bad. The same class that produce nfl starters in Hurns, Walford, Linder, Henderson and countless other nfl players. That being said, he was fired because he didn't win. Were their racial motives to a number of our fans disliking him? Of course but at the end of the day he was fired because he didn't win. There will always be racists individuals but you can't blame them for any shortcomings. We went into 2010 ranked in the top 10. Some analysts predicted us to go to the BCS or to go no less than 11-1 and we proceeded to go 7-5. That's underachieving. Al never had those expectations. He did undeservedly get raise but that wasn't racism it was just a bunch of idiots running the athletic programing.

RS wasn't nearly as bad as some make it. His 2010 class produced some quite a few nfl players and many on here still say it sucked. However I attribute that to the misinformed. Any race wasn't why he was fired it was underachieving in year 4 and the administration needing a scapegoat for Shapiro (The cheapest booster ever).

+ 1 for you, probably one of the most logical answers on this thread about Shannon. A lot of people forget Shawn Eichorst gave Al his extention.

[MENTION=10677]Canezum5[/MENTION], you said they would come and boy did the Sheets show up for work today. Lauderdaleballer is credited with one of the most logical posts on this thread well let’s look at this very carefully. For the record I agree with almost everything he said but if you read it carefully all he did was regurgitate everything that I already said. It’s comical how this plays out. All they had to do was say you know you are right and I agree the scale that we are trying to use to measure Shannon’s success is flawed.

You will recall earlier the Sheets said, “When you're a good HC, you grow the program and you eventually command more money and commitment by way of more resources and salaries.” Well now they are saying although Al underachieved it doesn’t apply to him getting a raise because “we admit” there were idiots running the program, now with that said, “there were no expectations”. What? Wait a minute did I read that right, let me write that again… “although Al underachieved it doesn’t apply to him getting a raise because “we admit” there were idiots running the program. Now with that said “there were no expectations for Al”. That’s news to me. For the first time in my life I have been informed that winning NC’s and conference titles have never been an expectation for HC’s at Miami. Comical!!!

They go on to say, you know your right again, Randy wasn’t nearly as bad as some make it. “Anyway, race was not why he was fired.” Wait, nobody ever mentioned race as a reason for Randy’s firing. The Sheets brought up race after every other argument failed. But wait there’s more, and I can’t make this sht up… “The administration needing a scapegoat for Shapiro was the main reason he was fired so it is deemed standard business practice and therefore acceptable under the law.” Well that didn’t hold up to well considering the Administration later paid because they knew it would lose in court for wrongfully firing Randy.

And to conclude the worst Sheet of them all, Zbrod95 shows up to validate all of this BS… Classic!!!

 

[lauderdaleballer]

Moro I think its obvious that I agreed with you. I was just responding to the few that brought up race in the equation. I don't you mentioned race at all. I only disagree with you in regards to the resources RS was allocated. His situation wasn't ideal but he could of still done better. RS had a freshman laden team and beat the ACC and Orange bowl champs in VT in 08 then he lost 3 straight games to conclude that year. The following year he beat the acc champs in GT (throttle them) then lost 3 games they should of won. He was too inconsistent. He showed sigbs that he could beat good teams but lost some games he shouldn't and that was signs of being a green coach. Resources and budget wasn't ideal but he could have done better and I like RS.

 

[Zbrod95]

I think it has already been proven that RS recruiting class in his 4th year wasn't bad. The same class that produce nfl starters in Hurns, Walford, Linder, Henderson and countless other nfl players. That being said, he was fired because he didn't win. Were their racial motives to a number of our fans disliking him? Of course but at the end of the day he was fired because he didn't win. There will always be racists individuals but you can't blame them for any shortcomings. We went into 2010 ranked in the top 10. Some analysts predicted us to go to the BCS or to go no less than 11-1 and we proceeded to go 7-5. That's underachieving. Al never had those expectations. He did undeservedly get raise but that wasn't racism it was just a bunch of idiots running the athletic programing.

RS wasn't nearly as bad as some make it. His 2010 class produced some quite a few nfl players and many on here still say it sucked. However I attribute that to the misinformed. Any race wasn't why he was fired it was underachieving in year 4 and the administration needing a scapegoat for Shapiro (The cheapest booster ever).

+ 1 for you, probably one of the most logical answers on this thread about Shannon. A lot of people forget Shawn Eichorst gave Al his extention.

[MENTION=10677]Canezum5[/MENTION], you said they would come and boy did the Sheets show up for work today. Lauderdaleballer is credited with one of the most logical posts on this thread well let’s look at this very carefully. For the record I agree with almost everything he said but if you read it carefully all he did was regurgitate everything that I already said. It’s comical how this plays out. All they had to do was say you know you are right and I agree the scale that we are trying to use to measure Shannon’s success is flawed.

You will recall earlier the Sheets said, “When you're a good HC, you grow the program and you eventually command more money and commitment by way of more resources and salaries.” Well now they are saying although Al underachieved it doesn’t apply to him getting a raise because “we admit” there were idiots running the program, now with that said, “there were no expectations”. What? Wait a minute did I read that right, let me write that again… “although Al underachieved it doesn’t apply to him getting a raise because “we admit” there were idiots running the program. Now with that said “there were no expectations for Al”. That’s news to me. For the first time in my life I have been informed that winning NC’s and conference titles have never been an expectation for HC’s at Miami. Comical!!!

They go on to say, you know your right again, Randy wasn’t nearly as bad as some make it. “Anyway, race was not why he was fired.” Wait, nobody ever mentioned race as a reason for Randy’s firing. The Sheets brought up race after every other argument failed. But wait there’s more, and I can’t make this sht up… “The administration needing a scapegoat for Shapiro was the main reason he was fired so it is deemed standard business practice and therefore acceptable under the law.” Well that didn’t hold up to well considering the Administration later paid because they knew it would lose in court for wrongfully firing Randy.

And to conclude the worst Sheet of them all, Zbrod95 shows up to validate all of this BS… Classic!!!

You lack simple comprehension skills. [MENTION=773]lauderdaleballer[/MENTION] meant he never had a team ranked in the top 10 and then had a team go 7-5 and hence why he was fired for poor performence AND shapiro too. You didn't bring up race but Canedumb did...TWICE but again you lack simple comprehension skills in the first place.

 

[Moro]

Moro I think its obvious that I agreed with you. I was just responding to the few that brought up race in the equation. I don't you mentioned race at all. I only disagree with you in regards to the resources RS was allocated. His situation wasn't ideal but he could of still done better. RS had a freshman laden team and beat the ACC and Orange bowl champs in VT in 08 then he lost 3 straight games to conclude that year. The following year he beat the acc champs in GT (throttle them) then lost 3 games they should of won. He was too inconsistent. He showed sigbs that he could beat good teams but lost some games he shouldn't and that was signs of being a green coach. Resources and budget wasn't ideal but he could have done better and I like RS.

True and I to said that I agreed with almost everything that you said. And that's for the very points that you just sighted as to why despite the fact that his "situation" was not ideal he came close but underachieved. Admittingly, you go on to say that resources and budget wasn't ideal but he could have done better and you like RS. Well if you know this much about his success then you also should know that he was a competent OC away from competing for it all. That is what I have a problem with and you should be disappointed in yourself for allowing yourself to be used as tool to circulate these misconceptions.