Worse power 5 coaches than Shannon and golden

[Moro]

[MENTION=14310]Moro[/MENTION] I had to stop defending Randy because dudes on here defy sense, respect, and logic to make a case for hate on a Cane great. It baffles me. They really tried to act like Randy was this terrible coach.

TbH, dude was an offensive coordinator away from a perennial 10 win team, imo. Jedd fisch instead of Mark Whipple and we have a pretty dangerous team. But that's neither here nor there. Point is, Randy can spot talent with the best of them and he can coach some defense.

Those are two things nobody can take away from him.

Randy Shannon was a terrible head coach at Miami. That is a fact and all the numbers prove that point. That does not mean I do not respect him or hate him.

It was his job to hire the offensive coordinator and he picked the wrong one.

So Randy Shannon can spot talent with the best of them? You mean to say he's on the level of Butch Davis, Saban, Meyer, etc... in talent evaluation? Wow.

Yes and even better, because he did it by his self. Butch had the Don and Randy for a period of time. Saban have **** near every former HC in the country. Meyer had Strong... and neither of those schools gave any of those coaches the budget that Randy received and said go play on Saturday's. Also, by your own admission "he picked the wrong one" not because that was his first or second choice but because that was all the administration was willing to pay for and that is by their own admission by ponying up the money for Golden's staff and Richt's staff. And that's a fact!

 

[kmwcane]

[MENTION=14310]Moro[/MENTION] I had to stop defending Randy because dudes on here defy sense, respect, and logic to make a case for hate on a Cane great. It baffles me. They really tried to act like Randy was this terrible coach.

TbH, dude was an offensive coordinator away from a perennial 10 win team, imo. Jedd fisch instead of Mark Whipple and we have a pretty dangerous team. But that's neither here nor there. Point is, Randy can spot talent with the best of them and he can coach some defense.

Those are two things nobody can take away from him.

Randy Shannon was a terrible head coach at Miami. That is a fact and all the numbers prove that point. That does not mean I do not respect him or hate him.

It was his job to hire the offensive coordinator and he picked the wrong one.

So Randy Shannon can spot talent with the best of them? You mean to say he's on the level of Butch Davis, Saban, Meyer, etc... in talent evaluation? Wow.

Yes and even better, because he did it by his self. Butch had the Don and Randy for a period of time. Saban have **** near every former HC in the country. Meyer had Strong... Also, by your own admission "he picked the wrong one" not because that was his first or second choice but because that was all the administration was willing to pay for and that is by their own admission by ponying up the money for Golden's staff and Richt's staff. And that's a fact!

There we have it folks, Moro thinks that Randy Shannon is the greatest talent evaluator in the history of college football. Let that sink in.

Yes, I admitted Shannon picked the wrong offensive coordinator because that's exactly what he did. Shannon also picked Patrick Nix. He could've picked any number of offensive coordinators but he chose Patrick Nix and Mark Whipple.

 

[Moro]

[MENTION=14310]Moro[/MENTION] I had to stop defending Randy because dudes on here defy sense, respect, and logic to make a case for hate on a Cane great. It baffles me. They really tried to act like Randy was this terrible coach.

TbH, dude was an offensive coordinator away from a perennial 10 win team, imo. Jedd fisch instead of Mark Whipple and we have a pretty dangerous team. But that's neither here nor there. Point is, Randy can spot talent with the best of them and he can coach some defense.

Those are two things nobody can take away from him.

Randy Shannon was a terrible head coach at Miami. That is a fact and all the numbers prove that point. That does not mean I do not respect him or hate him.

It was his job to hire the offensive coordinator and he picked the wrong one.

So Randy Shannon can spot talent with the best of them? You mean to say he's on the level of Butch Davis, Saban, Meyer, etc... in talent evaluation? Wow.

Yes and even better, because he did it by his self. Butch had the Don and Randy for a period of time. Saban have **** near every former HC in the country. Meyer had Strong... Also, by your own admission "he picked the wrong one" not because that was his first or second choice but because that was all the administration was willing to pay for and that is by their own admission by ponying up the money for Golden's staff and Richt's staff. And that's a fact!

There we have it folks, Moro thinks that Randy Shannon is the greatest talent evaluator in the history of college football. Let that sink in.

Yes, I admitted Shannon picked the wrong offensive coordinator because that's exactly what he did. Shannon also picked Patrick Nix. He could've picked any number of offensive coordinators but he chose Patrick Nix and Mark Whipple.

You can never get around the fact that neither of those schools gave any of those coaches the budget that Randy received and said go play on Saturday's. Patrix Nix and Mark Whipple would have been on any of those teams if those coaches had that budget.

 

[sebastiansbill]

[MENTION=14310]Moro[/MENTION] I had to stop defending Randy because dudes on here defy sense, respect, and logic to make a case for hate on a Cane great. It baffles me. They really tried to act like Randy was this terrible coach.

TbH, dude was an offensive coordinator away from a perennial 10 win team, imo. Jedd fisch instead of Mark Whipple and we have a pretty dangerous team. But that's neither here nor there. Point is, Randy can spot talent with the best of them and he can coach some defense.

Those are two things nobody can take away from him.

Randy Shannon was a terrible head coach at Miami. That is a fact and all the numbers prove that point. That does not mean I do not respect him or hate him.

It was his job to hire the offensive coordinator and he picked the wrong one.

So Randy Shannon can spot talent with the best of them? You mean to say he's on the level of Butch Davis, Saban, Meyer, etc... in talent evaluation? Wow.

Yes and even better, because he did it by his self. Butch had the Don and Randy for a period of time. Saban have **** near every former HC in the country. Meyer had Strong... Also, by your own admission "he picked the wrong one" not because that was his first or second choice but because that was all the administration was willing to pay for and that is by their own admission by ponying up the money for Golden's staff and Richt's staff. And that's a fact!

There we have it folks, Moro thinks that Randy Shannon is the greatest talent evaluator in the history of college football. Let that sink in.

Yes, I admitted Shannon picked the wrong offensive coordinator because that's exactly what he did. Shannon also picked Patrick Nix. He could've picked any number of offensive coordinators but he chose Patrick Nix and Mark Whipple.

I think Patrick nix was even worse than Donofrio was. The worst coordinator Miami's ever had on either side of the ball. He may have been the worst coordinator in FBS. Whipple was an upgrade over nix but that's not saying much. Whipple did face a pretty tough task rebuilding after the nix fiasco. But it seems like switching from nix to Whipple was replacing a god awful coordinator with merely a bad coordinator.

 

[sebastiansbill]

I can't figure out for the life of me why Shannon hired nix. Nix was a very lowly regarded OC at GT. Whipple was at least a pretty highly regarded QB coach who developed Ben Rothlesberger. He had done well as a head coach at the D1-AA and D-2 level as well.

 

[sebastiansbill]

Back to the original subject, Rick neiheisel is worse than golden and shannon. He found a way to go 21-29 despite having Norm Chow as his offensive coordinator. If you fail while having Norm Chow as your OC then God help you.

 

[RocketsandCanes]

I actually wanted this thread to be about guys worse than Golden, not every bit as bad.

To be fair there aren't many out there lol. Would lead to a short thread

 

[Moro]

I can't figure out for the life of me why Shannon hired nix. Nix was a very lowly regarded OC at GT. Whipple was at least a pretty highly regarded QB coach who developed Ben Rothlesberger. He had done well as a head coach at the D1-AA and D-2 level as well.

A major part of it was the Administration didn't budge on the price they were willing to pay an OC until January and Nix was hired the Friday of the 19th. A couple weeks before NSD and you needed a QB and RB to say the least. With that said, he had no other choice. **** I believe you could have been OC had you applied. lol

2007 Nobody wanted this job. You here people say Shannon could have hired this and that guy. **** the school thought the same way about itself and soon found out after HC candidate, after HC candidate and after another HC candidate turned this job down even after prior years of success. Nobody wanted this job. At the last minute they offered Randy the job. So you know **** well the same was true for the Coordinator positions. Same was true about HC candidates before Golden was hired. And remained true all the way up until Richt said yes. All of the sudden it was the best job on the planet. However, Richt was able to hold out until the Administration up the price they were willing to pay for Coordinators and only when the dollars were finalize did he agree to take the job.

 

[Canezum5]

I can't figure out for the life of me why Shannon hired nix. Nix was a very lowly regarded OC at GT. Whipple was at least a pretty highly regarded QB coach who developed Ben Rothlesberger. He had done well as a head coach at the D1-AA and D-2 level as well.

A major part of it was the Administration didn't budge on the price they were willing to pay an OC until January and Nix was hired the Friday of the 19th. A couple weeks before NSD and you needed a QB and RB to say the least. With that said, he had no other choice. **** I believe you could have been OC had you applied. lol

2007 Nobody wanted this job. You here people say Shannon could have hired this and that guy. **** the school thought the same way about itself and soon found out after HC candidate, after HC candidate and after another HC candidate turned this job down even after prior years of success. Nobody wanted this job. At the last minute they offered Randy the job. So you know **** well the same was true for the Coordinator positions. Same was true about HC candidates before Golden was hired. And remained true all the way up until Richt said yes. All of the sudden it was the best job on the planet. However, Richt was able to hold out until the Administration up the price they were willing to pay for Coordinator and only when the dollars were finalize did he agree to take the job.

Preach! On top of all you said.... This man had to sue to get his money. What coach sees that and wants to work here? You shouldn't have to do all of this in defense of Randy. So called Cane fans.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

The correct answer to original question posed by the OP, is none.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

A few of my friends that aren't canes fans, have no bias whatsoever or hate towards Al Golden like I do, have told me multiple times that Al Golden is the worst HC of all time right there with Derek Dooley.

It's easy for us to say that he is the worst, with our orange and green glasses and hate for him, but I honestly believe it's the **** truth. For what kind of program he took over and what his view that he wanted it to look like and how he ran it.. it was a complete joke.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

A few of my friends that aren't canes fans, have no bias whatsoever or hate towards Al Golden like I do, have told me multiple times that Al Golden is the worst HC of all time right there with Derek Dooley.

It's easy for us to say that he is the worst, with our orange and green glasses and hate for him, but I honestly believe it's the **** truth. For what kind of program he took over and what his view that he wanted it to look like and how he ran it.. it was a complete joke.

Don't short change Randy...he's just as bad if not worse. It's not easy to go from head coach at a major division 1 school to A POSITION COACH at the college level. That man somehow found a way to do that.

The incompetence of these last 2 coaching staffs just highlights the type of self inflicted abuse we've received from the worst administration in the country.

 

[SpikeUM]

I know its the offseason, but when you have a bad marriage/relationship, its best to put it behind you and focus on the future.

 

[Moro]

A few of my friends that aren't canes fans, have no bias whatsoever or hate towards Al Golden like I do, have told me multiple times that Al Golden is the worst HC of all time right there with Derek Dooley.

It's easy for us to say that he is the worst, with our orange and green glasses and hate for him, but I honestly believe it's the **** truth. For what kind of program he took over and what his view that he wanted it to look like and how he ran it.. it was a complete joke.

Don't short change Randy...he's just as bad if not worse. It's not easy to go from head coach at a major division 1 school to A POSITION COACH at the college level. That man somehow found a way to do that.

The incompetence of these last 2 coaching staffs just highlights the type of self inflicted abuse we've received from the worst administration in the country.

If we were comparing apples to apples I would agree with you. Even after all of the coaches that you guys have named Butch, Saban and Meyer as better HC they never had the budget that was given to Randy. Even with the budget that Randy was given he still managed to lead the 08 team within one game to win the ACC. Now think about that, you gave Golden what he needed to bring in his staff and you didn't even come close.

Richt finally says yes that he would become HC but only if the University is fully committed to pay the cost to compete on this level which included ponying up the money to pay qualified Coordinators. Every radio, news press and blog site screamed that the Administration needed to open up the check book to play with the big boys. If you are honest you would admit that you were among the crowd. Today you crave the possibilities that you now have with Richt but even he knew and said that he couldn't be any more successful than Randy or Golden without that money to hire qualified Coordinators. So when you put this in the proper perspective it is very easy to go from HC at a D1 school to a Position Coach not to mention in a league that disproportionately hire minority coaches as HC’s in the P5.

The MINIMUM… With the expectations of winning championships like the above mentioned coaches. None of them can lay claim to producing 14 first round picks in their coaching career. When you break it down Randy did more with less and these HC’s that you guys praise have all the resources anyone can ask for. It sounds very familiar doesn’t it? And I can understand the frustration because even with the minimum he produced more NFL players than any of the above. So you know if the resources were distributed equally he would have outperformed any of them. Hands down!

 

[MedleyCane]

A few of my friends that aren't canes fans, have no bias whatsoever or hate towards Al Golden like I do, have told me multiple times that Al Golden is the worst HC of all time right there with Derek Dooley.

It's easy for us to say that he is the worst, with our orange and green glasses and hate for him, but I honestly believe it's the **** truth. For what kind of program he took over and what his view that he wanted it to look like and how he ran it.. it was a complete joke.

Don't short change Randy...he's just as bad if not worse. It's not easy to go from head coach at a major division 1 school to A POSITION COACH at the college level. That man somehow found a way to do that.

The incompetence of these last 2 coaching staffs just highlights the type of self inflicted abuse we've received from the worst administration in the country.

If we were comparing apples to apples I would agree with you. Even after all of the coaches that you guys have named Butch, Saban and Meyer as better HC they never had the budget that was given to Randy. Even with the budget that Randy was given he still managed to lead the 08 team within one game to win the ACC. Now think about that, you gave Golden what he needed to bring in his staff and you didn't even come close.

Richt finally says yes that he would become HC but only if the University is fully committed to pay the cost to compete on this level which included ponying up the money to pay qualified Coordinators. Every radio, news press and blog site screamed that the Administration needed to open up the check book to play with the big boys. If you are honest you would admit that you were among the crowd. Today you crave the possibilities that you now have with Richt but even he knew that he couldn't have been any more successful than Randy or Golden without that money to hire qualified Coordinators. So when you put this in the proper perspective it is very easy to go from HC at a D1 school to a Position Coach not to mention in a league that disproportionately hire minority coaches as HC’s in the P5.

The MINIMUM… With the expectations of winning championships like the above mentioned coaches. None of them can lay claim to producing 14 first round picks in their coaching career. When you break it down Randy did more with less and these HC’s that you guys praise have all the resources anyone can ask for. It sounds very familiar doesn’t it? And I can understand the frustration because even with the minimum he produced more NFL players than any of the above. So you know if the resources were distributed equally he would have outperformed any of them. Hands down!

Shannon didn't suck because he was given less resources than other UM head coaches before and after him.
He sucked because he was not a good HC who was not able to grow the program out of mediocrity.
When you're good, you grow the program and you eventually command more money and commitment by way
of more resources and salaries or otherwise you go somewhere else where you will be given what you need.
You do this when you have leverage, and he didn't because he was not a good HC.
As an example, Stanford gave Jim Harbaugh a bigger commitment to its football program than what they did to
Willingham, Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris because he earned it.

 

[Moro]

A few of my friends that aren't canes fans, have no bias whatsoever or hate towards Al Golden like I do, have told me multiple times that Al Golden is the worst HC of all time right there with Derek Dooley.

It's easy for us to say that he is the worst, with our orange and green glasses and hate for him, but I honestly believe it's the **** truth. For what kind of program he took over and what his view that he wanted it to look like and how he ran it.. it was a complete joke.

Don't short change Randy...he's just as bad if not worse. It's not easy to go from head coach at a major division 1 school to A POSITION COACH at the college level. That man somehow found a way to do that.

The incompetence of these last 2 coaching staffs just highlights the type of self inflicted abuse we've received from the worst administration in the country.

If we were comparing apples to apples I would agree with you. Even after all of the coaches that you guys have named Butch, Saban and Meyer as better HC they never had the budget that was given to Randy. Even with the budget that Randy was given he still managed to lead the 08 team within one game to win the ACC. Now think about that, you gave Golden what he needed to bring in his staff and you didn't even come close.

Richt finally says yes that he would become HC but only if the University is fully committed to pay the cost to compete on this level which included ponying up the money to pay qualified Coordinators. Every radio, news press and blog site screamed that the Administration needed to open up the check book to play with the big boys. If you are honest you would admit that you were among the crowd. Today you crave the possibilities that you now have with Richt but even he knew that he couldn't have been any more successful than Randy or Golden without that money to hire qualified Coordinators. So when you put this in the proper perspective it is very easy to go from HC at a D1 school to a Position Coach not to mention in a league that disproportionately hire minority coaches as HC’s in the P5.

The MINIMUM… With the expectations of winning championships like the above mentioned coaches. None of them can lay claim to producing 14 first round picks in their coaching career. When you break it down Randy did more with less and these HC’s that you guys praise have all the resources anyone can ask for. It sounds very familiar doesn’t it? And I can understand the frustration because even with the minimum he produced more NFL players than any of the above. So you know if the resources were distributed equally he would have outperformed any of them. Hands down!

Shannon didn't suck because he was given less resources than other UM head coaches before and after him.
He sucked because he was not a good HC who was not able to grow the program out of mediocrity.
When you're good, you grow the program and you eventually command more money and commitment by way
of more resources and salaries or otherwise you go somewhere else where you will be given what you need.
You do this when you have leverage, and he didn't because he was not a good HC.
As an example, Stanford gave Jim Harbaugh a bigger commitment to its football program than what they did to
Willingham, Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris because he earned it.

Again you are comparing apples to oranges. Even Harbaugh, Teevens and Harris were given more resources than Randy to start without the expectation of winning NC's and playing in the ACC. These guys had more resources to compete in less competitive conferences and therefore were able to "earn it" as you said. **** they even new they were going to be HC well before NSD neither were a last minute hire and all were hired with adequate time to put together a qualified staff. So again Richt didn't earn a penny of what he asked for but was given it because he told them that is what it's going to take to compete. To grow a program, command more money and "earn it" is what you demand from Richt going forward because we have provided the resources upfront for him to be successful. That is the proper process like it was with Harbaugh, Teevens, Harris and Richt. That is the process that was not given to Randy. You can't deny that.

 

[Canezum5]

A few of my friends that aren't canes fans, have no bias whatsoever or hate towards Al Golden like I do, have told me multiple times that Al Golden is the worst HC of all time right there with Derek Dooley.

It's easy for us to say that he is the worst, with our orange and green glasses and hate for him, but I honestly believe it's the **** truth. For what kind of program he took over and what his view that he wanted it to look like and how he ran it.. it was a complete joke.

Don't short change Randy...he's just as bad if not worse. It's not easy to go from head coach at a major division 1 school to A POSITION COACH at the college level. That man somehow found a way to do that.

The incompetence of these last 2 coaching staffs just highlights the type of self inflicted abuse we've received from the worst administration in the country.

If we were comparing apples to apples I would agree with you. Even after all of the coaches that you guys have named Butch, Saban and Meyer as better HC they never had the budget that was given to Randy. Even with the budget that Randy was given he still managed to lead the 08 team within one game to win the ACC. Now think about that, you gave Golden what he needed to bring in his staff and you didn't even come close.

Richt finally says yes that he would become HC but only if the University is fully committed to pay the cost to compete on this level which included ponying up the money to pay qualified Coordinators. Every radio, news press and blog site screamed that the Administration needed to open up the check book to play with the big boys. If you are honest you would admit that you were among the crowd. Today you crave the possibilities that you now have with Richt but even he knew and said that he couldn't be any more successful than Randy or Golden without that money to hire qualified Coordinators. So when you put this in the proper perspective it is very easy to go from HC at a D1 school to a Position Coach not to mention in a league that disproportionately hire minority coaches as HC’s in the P5.

The MINIMUM… With the expectations of winning championships like the above mentioned coaches. None of them can lay claim to producing 14 first round picks in their coaching career. When you break it down Randy did more with less and these HC’s that you guys praise have all the resources anyone can ask for. It sounds very familiar doesn’t it? And I can understand the frustration because even with the minimum he produced more NFL players than any of the above. So you know if the resources were distributed equally he would have outperformed any of them. Hands down!

Moro, bro. I'm telling you man. Quit while you're ahead. He will ignore every point and fact you state. He will continue to regurgitate the whole "position coach" bullshid like it means Something.

These dudes are dumb AF when it comes to seeing the big picture. How many black head coaches are there? Name 20? Trust me when I say... These dudes have tunnel vision and they will never see your point of view

 

[MedleyCane]

A few of my friends that aren't canes fans, have no bias whatsoever or hate towards Al Golden like I do, have told me multiple times that Al Golden is the worst HC of all time right there with Derek Dooley.

It's easy for us to say that he is the worst, with our orange and green glasses and hate for him, but I honestly believe it's the **** truth. For what kind of program he took over and what his view that he wanted it to look like and how he ran it.. it was a complete joke.

Don't short change Randy...he's just as bad if not worse. It's not easy to go from head coach at a major division 1 school to A POSITION COACH at the college level. That man somehow found a way to do that.

The incompetence of these last 2 coaching staffs just highlights the type of self inflicted abuse we've received from the worst administration in the country.

If we were comparing apples to apples I would agree with you. Even after all of the coaches that you guys have named Butch, Saban and Meyer as better HC they never had the budget that was given to Randy. Even with the budget that Randy was given he still managed to lead the 08 team within one game to win the ACC. Now think about that, you gave Golden what he needed to bring in his staff and you didn't even come close.

Richt finally says yes that he would become HC but only if the University is fully committed to pay the cost to compete on this level which included ponying up the money to pay qualified Coordinators. Every radio, news press and blog site screamed that the Administration needed to open up the check book to play with the big boys. If you are honest you would admit that you were among the crowd. Today you crave the possibilities that you now have with Richt but even he knew that he couldn't have been any more successful than Randy or Golden without that money to hire qualified Coordinators. So when you put this in the proper perspective it is very easy to go from HC at a D1 school to a Position Coach not to mention in a league that disproportionately hire minority coaches as HC’s in the P5.

The MINIMUM… With the expectations of winning championships like the above mentioned coaches. None of them can lay claim to producing 14 first round picks in their coaching career. When you break it down Randy did more with less and these HC’s that you guys praise have all the resources anyone can ask for. It sounds very familiar doesn’t it? And I can understand the frustration because even with the minimum he produced more NFL players than any of the above. So you know if the resources were distributed equally he would have outperformed any of them. Hands down!

Shannon didn't suck because he was given less resources than other UM head coaches before and after him.
He sucked because he was not a good HC who was not able to grow the program out of mediocrity.
When you're good, you grow the program and you eventually command more money and commitment by way
of more resources and salaries or otherwise you go somewhere else where you will be given what you need.
You do this when you have leverage, and he didn't because he was not a good HC.
As an example, Stanford gave Jim Harbaugh a bigger commitment to its football program than what they did to
Willingham, Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris because he earned it.

Again you are comparing apples to oranges. Even Harbaugh, Teevens and Harris were given more resources than Randy to start without the expectation of winning NC's and playing in the ACC. These guys had more resources to compete in less competitive conferences and therefore were able to "earn it" as you said. **** they even new they were going to be HC well before NSD neither were a last minute hire and all were hired with adequate time to put together a qualified staff. So again Richt didn't earn a penny of what he asked for but was given it because he told them that is what it's going to take to compete. To grow a program, command more money and "earn it" is what you demand from Richt going forward because we have provided the resources upfront for him to be successful. That is the proper process like it was with Harbaugh, Teevens, Harris and Richt. That is the process that was not given to Randy. You can't deny that.

Actually, he did earn it by way of his resume.
UM did not have to give him anything.
In fact, they did not have to hire him.
But if they wanted him, they were going to commit to what he was asking for.
Why?
Because even as a fired coach, the market said that he was a big-time coach and probably
would have landed another big-time gig this year or in 2017 (if he wanted it).
In contrast, Shannon has been nothing but a positional coach since his UM days.
Again, you don't seem to have a grasp of how the market works in college athletics.
Coaches always get better salaries and commitments than their predecesors.
If you think Kevin Steele got the same commitments and budget at Baylor than Art Briles,
or Hackett at USC vs Pete Carroll, Gary Patterson vs Pat Sullivan at TCU, then you're less of
a college football fan and more of an agenda-driven guy.

 

[MedleyCane]

A few of my friends that aren't canes fans, have no bias whatsoever or hate towards Al Golden like I do, have told me multiple times that Al Golden is the worst HC of all time right there with Derek Dooley.

It's easy for us to say that he is the worst, with our orange and green glasses and hate for him, but I honestly believe it's the **** truth. For what kind of program he took over and what his view that he wanted it to look like and how he ran it.. it was a complete joke.

Don't short change Randy...he's just as bad if not worse. It's not easy to go from head coach at a major division 1 school to A POSITION COACH at the college level. That man somehow found a way to do that.

The incompetence of these last 2 coaching staffs just highlights the type of self inflicted abuse we've received from the worst administration in the country.

If we were comparing apples to apples I would agree with you. Even after all of the coaches that you guys have named Butch, Saban and Meyer as better HC they never had the budget that was given to Randy. Even with the budget that Randy was given he still managed to lead the 08 team within one game to win the ACC. Now think about that, you gave Golden what he needed to bring in his staff and you didn't even come close.

Richt finally says yes that he would become HC but only if the University is fully committed to pay the cost to compete on this level which included ponying up the money to pay qualified Coordinators. Every radio, news press and blog site screamed that the Administration needed to open up the check book to play with the big boys. If you are honest you would admit that you were among the crowd. Today you crave the possibilities that you now have with Richt but even he knew and said that he couldn't be any more successful than Randy or Golden without that money to hire qualified Coordinators. So when you put this in the proper perspective it is very easy to go from HC at a D1 school to a Position Coach not to mention in a league that disproportionately hire minority coaches as HC’s in the P5.

The MINIMUM… With the expectations of winning championships like the above mentioned coaches. None of them can lay claim to producing 14 first round picks in their coaching career. When you break it down Randy did more with less and these HC’s that you guys praise have all the resources anyone can ask for. It sounds very familiar doesn’t it? And I can understand the frustration because even with the minimum he produced more NFL players than any of the above. So you know if the resources were distributed equally he would have outperformed any of them. Hands down!

Moro, bro. I'm telling you man. Quit while you're ahead. He will ignore every point and fact you state. He will continue to regurgitate the whole "position coach" bullshid like it means Something.

These dudes are dumb AF when it comes to seeing the big picture. How many black head coaches are there? Name 20? Trust me when I say... These dudes have tunnel vision and they will never see your point of view

There probably should be more black college football head coaches, but citing Randy Shannon as an example kills your argument.
Stick to the facts.

 

[Moro]

A few of my friends that aren't canes fans, have no bias whatsoever or hate towards Al Golden like I do, have told me multiple times that Al Golden is the worst HC of all time right there with Derek Dooley.

It's easy for us to say that he is the worst, with our orange and green glasses and hate for him, but I honestly believe it's the **** truth. For what kind of program he took over and what his view that he wanted it to look like and how he ran it.. it was a complete joke.

Don't short change Randy...he's just as bad if not worse. It's not easy to go from head coach at a major division 1 school to A POSITION COACH at the college level. That man somehow found a way to do that.

The incompetence of these last 2 coaching staffs just highlights the type of self inflicted abuse we've received from the worst administration in the country.

If we were comparing apples to apples I would agree with you. Even after all of the coaches that you guys have named Butch, Saban and Meyer as better HC they never had the budget that was given to Randy. Even with the budget that Randy was given he still managed to lead the 08 team within one game to win the ACC. Now think about that, you gave Golden what he needed to bring in his staff and you didn't even come close.

Richt finally says yes that he would become HC but only if the University is fully committed to pay the cost to compete on this level which included ponying up the money to pay qualified Coordinators. Every radio, news press and blog site screamed that the Administration needed to open up the check book to play with the big boys. If you are honest you would admit that you were among the crowd. Today you crave the possibilities that you now have with Richt but even he knew and said that he couldn't be any more successful than Randy or Golden without that money to hire qualified Coordinators. So when you put this in the proper perspective it is very easy to go from HC at a D1 school to a Position Coach not to mention in a league that disproportionately hire minority coaches as HC’s in the P5.

The MINIMUM… With the expectations of winning championships like the above mentioned coaches. None of them can lay claim to producing 14 first round picks in their coaching career. When you break it down Randy did more with less and these HC’s that you guys praise have all the resources anyone can ask for. It sounds very familiar doesn’t it? And I can understand the frustration because even with the minimum he produced more NFL players than any of the above. So you know if the resources were distributed equally he would have outperformed any of them. Hands down!

Moro, bro. I'm telling you man. Quit while you're ahead. He will ignore every point and fact you state. He will continue to regurgitate the whole "position coach" bullshid like it means Something.

These dudes are dumb AF when it comes to seeing the big picture. How many black head coaches are there? Name 20? Trust me when I say... These dudes have tunnel vision and they will never see your point of view

I agree with you Canezum5, but I think that it is important for us Brown, Black and other minorities to speak out against all of this misinformation because as you can see if we let it go unchecked it becomes true to the uninformed. And it further validate the people in power who uses these examples as to why minorities cannot be leaders on any level.