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Worse hires any team's ever made than SCar's Muschamp

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sebastiansbill

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When I say bad hire I'm not talking about how a hire turned out. I'm talking about who was a virtually certain failure as soon as they were hired. Muschamp is awful and a 95% certain failure. Honestly I believe that both Golden and Shannon are somewhat less bad coaches than Muschamp. As awful as they were they never lost to Ga. Southern.

Except for USC hiring Paul Hackett who had gone under.400 at Pittsburgh there are few examples off the top of my head where a team's hired a virtually certain failure before. UF fans were all screaming for Zook's head and started the fireronzook.com website the day after his hiring so maybe he'd be another example.
 
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Steve Starkisan to USC, couldn't win at Washington but still got a bigger job
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He did very mediocre at UW but wasn't bad. He did a good jobs turning around an 0-12 team in just 1 year. The problem was afterwards he could never get past 7-6.
 
sebastiansbill said:
When I say bad hire I'm not talking about how a hire turned out. I'm talking about who was a virtually certain failure as soon as they were hired. Muschamp is awful and a 95% certain failure. Honestly I believe that both Golden and Shannon are somewhat less bad coaches than Muschamp. As awful as they were they never lost to Ga. Southern.

Except for USC hiring Paul Hackett who had gone under.400 at Pittsburgh there are few examples off the top of my head where a team's hired a virtually certain failure before. UF fans were all screaming for Zook's head and started the fireronzook.com website the day after his hiring so maybe he'd be another example.
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What an idiot... The data proves that Shannon and Muschamp are better than you say they are. **** flip over to the recruiting board and see how many people like you are screaming about how all the recruits seem to want to play for Muschamp. If he is as awful as you say then why is it so hard for us to recruit against him even after hiring the mighty Richt? You people (People that believe whatever's popular at the time) love to live in denial.
 
Moro said:
sebastiansbill said:
When I say bad hire I'm not talking about how a hire turned out. I'm talking about who was a virtually certain failure as soon as they were hired. Muschamp is awful and a 95% certain failure. Honestly I believe that both Golden and Shannon are somewhat less bad coaches than Muschamp. As awful as they were they never lost to Ga. Southern.

Except for USC hiring Paul Hackett who had gone under.400 at Pittsburgh there are few examples off the top of my head where a team's hired a virtually certain failure before. UF fans were all screaming for Zook's head and started the fireronzook.com website the day after his hiring so maybe he'd be another example.
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What an idiot... The data proves that Shannon and Muschamp are better than you say they are. **** flip over to the recruiting board and see how many people like you are screaming about how all the recruits seem to want to play for Muschamp. If he is as awful as you say then why is it so hard for us to recruit against him even after hiring the mighty Richt? You people (People that believe whatever's popular at the time) love to live in denial.
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Oh lord
 
Muschamp has done way more in football that our prior hire ever did......
 
Going way back, how about Gerry Faust at Notre Dame? He was a high school coach with zero chance of winning.

Bill Callahan at Nebraska and Rich Rodriguez at Michigan. Both programs wanted to remold their programs and failed at a very difficult assignment.
 
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Going way back, how about Gerry Faust at Notre Dame? He was a high school coach with zero chance of winning.

Bill Callahan at Nebraska and Rich Rodriguez at Michigan. Both programs wanted to remold their programs and failed at a very difficult assignment.
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Rodriguez seemed like a good hire at the time and hiring Callahan seemed like a decent move. Agree with you on Faust though.
 
sebastiansbill said:
TemplarCane said:
Going way back, how about Gerry Faust at Notre Dame? He was a high school coach with zero chance of winning.

Bill Callahan at Nebraska and Rich Rodriguez at Michigan. Both programs wanted to remold their programs and failed at a very difficult assignment.
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Rodriguez seemed like a good hire at the time and hiring Callahan seemed like a decent move. Agree with you on Faust though.
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How many coaches are successful at philosophical and fundamental changes? Callahan tried to install a West Coast offense at a run-dominate program like Nebraska and Rich Rod installed a the spread at pro-style Big 10 team. There was no need for a complete rebuild of those programs. Both hires set the programs back. Nebraska hasn't recovered and Michigan is fortunate favorite son Jim Harbaugh became available.

USC tried the same thing in the 1980s when John Robinson left for the Rams. Ted Tollner and Larry Smith wrecked the program. Pete Carroll had a daughter was at USC and the Trojans were lucky he accepted the job after being their fourth choice.
 
TemplarCane said:
sebastiansbill said:
TemplarCane said:
Going way back, how about Gerry Faust at Notre Dame? He was a high school coach with zero chance of winning.

Bill Callahan at Nebraska and Rich Rodriguez at Michigan. Both programs wanted to remold their programs and failed at a very difficult assignment.
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Rodriguez seemed like a good hire at the time and hiring Callahan seemed like a decent move. Agree with you on Faust though.
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How many coaches are successful at philosophical and fundamental changes? Callahan tried to install a West Coast offense at a run-dominate program like Nebraska and Rich Rod installed a the spread at pro-style Big 10 team. There was no need for a complete rebuild of those programs. Both hires set the programs back. Nebraska hasn't recovered and Michigan is fortunate favorite son Jim Harbaugh became available.

USC tried the same thing in the 1980s when John Robinson left for the Rams. Ted Tollner and Larry Smith wrecked the program. Pete Carroll had a daughter was at USC and the Trojans were lucky he accepted the job after being their fourth choice.
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I'm not sure how much I buy into the idea of "culture changes" being a bad idea. Bob Stoops changed OU's offense a whole lot from what is traditionally was, similiar to what Callahan did at NU. And Stoops would have ****ed people off every bit as much as Callahan did if he hadn't done well.
 
Moro said:
sebastiansbill said:
When I say bad hire I'm not talking about how a hire turned out. I'm talking about who was a virtually certain failure as soon as they were hired. Muschamp is awful and a 95% certain failure. Honestly I believe that both Golden and Shannon are somewhat less bad coaches than Muschamp. As awful as they were they never lost to Ga. Southern.

Except for USC hiring Paul Hackett who had gone under.400 at Pittsburgh there are few examples off the top of my head where a team's hired a virtually certain failure before. UF fans were all screaming for Zook's head and started the fireronzook.com website the day after his hiring so maybe he'd be another example.
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What an idiot... The data proves that Shannon and Muschamp are better than you say they are. **** flip over to the recruiting board and see how many people like you are screaming about how all the recruits seem to want to play for Muschamp. If he is as awful as you say then why is it so hard for us to recruit against him even after hiring the mighty Richt? You people (People that believe whatever's popular at the time) love to live in denial.
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Hitler was good at recruiting too what's your point?
 
sebastiansbill said:
TemplarCane said:
sebastiansbill said:
TemplarCane said:
Going way back, how about Gerry Faust at Notre Dame? He was a high school coach with zero chance of winning.

Bill Callahan at Nebraska and Rich Rodriguez at Michigan. Both programs wanted to remold their programs and failed at a very difficult assignment.
Click to expand...
Rodriguez seemed like a good hire at the time and hiring Callahan seemed like a decent move. Agree with you on Faust though.
Click to expand...

How many coaches are successful at philosophical and fundamental changes? Callahan tried to install a West Coast offense at a run-dominate program like Nebraska and Rich Rod installed a the spread at pro-style Big 10 team. There was no need for a complete rebuild of those programs. Both hires set the programs back. Nebraska hasn't recovered and Michigan is fortunate favorite son Jim Harbaugh became available.

USC tried the same thing in the 1980s when John Robinson left for the Rams. Ted Tollner and Larry Smith wrecked the program. Pete Carroll had a daughter was at USC and the Trojans were lucky he accepted the job after being their fourth choice.
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I'm not sure how much I buy into the idea of "culture changes" being a bad idea. Bob Stoops changed OU's offense a whole lot from what is traditionally was, similiar to what Callahan did at NU. And Stoops would have ****ed people off every bit as much as Callahan did if he hadn't done well.
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I would not claim 'culture change' is always a bad idea.

Nebraska and Michigan did not need dramatic changes.

Oklahoma was in the dumpster for quite some time after Switzer was forced out. They had more talent than people thought, and Stoops is a good coach. He was a top DC when hired and won with defense early.
 
Zook to Illinois.

I don't think Muschamp is all that bad of a hire for South Carolina. They won't ever rise up and surpass the power SEC teams ahead of them on a consistent basis, but they can be good here and there. As a defensive coordinator, Muschamp will offer them that opportunity if his offensive hires work out. Had they gone with an offensive minded coach, the same could happen as well, they just went defense.
 
Tyler Summit hired as Louisiana Tech's women's basketball Head Coach:

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You knew he would try to be a playa with one of his players...Sort of like who he models himself after:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5_hW5cQaGY
 
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Derek Dooley at Tennessee. Was 4-8 the year prior at Louisiana Tech. Got the job based on his "credibility" from being around Saban. Kinda the same nonsense that the Cristobal slurpers were trying to sell us.
 
I know someone from West Virginia, they all hate Rich Rodriguez to this day. The players at Michigan detested him, the guy is a real scumbag by all accounts.
 
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