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Earnest T. Bass said:
It's not about Northwestern...the point is...if a university like Northwestern is plowing $270 million into their football facilities, schools in the SEC and other powerhouse conferences are going to annihilate schools that can't keep up with those budgets/facilities, thus recruiting will be next to impossible when competing against said schools. Seriously...did I really have to explain that to you?
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I hear ya', but realize, the State of Illinois produces very little talent.

Between NW & Illinois, I'd be surprised if they get 6-7 recruits from that State...total.

They need to use all the bells & whitsles that they can.

Ditto with Michigan believe it or not.
 
CANE said:
Didn't even read that ***g!try. This is a CANES board and you're always sucking off the next team. You're one of the worst porsters in CIS history.
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MedleyCane said:
So are you going to start a new thread for each of the remaining 106 Div1a college football facilities?
Oh goody, can't wait.
I may have to forego watching the WNBA and midget **** this summer.
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Did you sit on an air hose? "Diva college football facilities"? Those facilities are becoming the norm dummy, not outliers. Get a clue chubby!
 
It's a gorgeous facility no doubt. But I think Northwestern has hit it's ceiling. OSU,Michgan, Wisconsin, and a surging Nebraska will be ruling that conference for the next decade. You're not going to be getting the best recruits in the country to come to your school by selling them on nice views of Lake Michigan( the frozen tundra from December to March). Northwestern can only aspire to be what Oregon is post-Kelly.
 
Earnest T. Bass said:
You poor thing, nursing on your mommy at your age is far North of disgusting. You said; "Didn't even read that ***g!try." First you need to learn how to read, moron. Run along junior as I hear your mommy calling you for a milky dinner.
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simplycanes said:
At least then it would be relevant.
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So, in your world, most all of the significant college football programs have built or are in the process of building Taj Mahal like facilities to help attract top recruits and you don't think that development is relevant to UM's future football fortunes? Look up the definition of reality. The deniers are blind to the enormous elephant in the room. I guarantee you that in the coming years the relevancy of my comments will hit you over your empty head.
 
ADELPHI said:
It's a gorgeous facility no doubt. But I think Northwestern has hit it's ceiling. OSU,Michgan, Wisconsin, and a surging Nebraska will be ruling that conference for the next decade. You're not going to be getting the best recruits in the country to come to your school by selling them on nice views of Lake Michigan( the frozen tundra from December to March). Northwestern can only aspire to be what Oregon is post-Kelly.
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My reasoning when posting the Northwestern developments was to point out the bigger picture that most every top college football program has or are in the process of building 5 star football facilities that will significantly tilt the recruiting wars in their favor.

Those who deny or downplay this certainty still believe the earth is flat. Walking a kid through a 'Four Seasons Hotel' and then a 'Days Inn' and afterward posing the question, 'where would you like to spend your next 3 or 4 years?', is like asking a kid if he would like to own a Ferrari or a Hyundai.

Also, those facilities will play a role in attracting the very best head coaches and assistant coaches.
 
FFS not this nonsense again...I'll make it easy for the conflicted

KIDS WANT TO WIN. PERIOD.

Tell me how many titles Oregon has won with their over the top facilities...I'll wait.
 
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QuatroCane said:
FFS not this nonsense again...I'll make it easy for the conflicted

KIDS WANT TO WIN. PERIOD.

Tell me how many titles Oregon has won with their over the top facilities...I'll wait.
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Tell me how many titles/games has Alabama won "with their over the top facilities"? Tell me how many titles/games has Clemson won "with their over the top facilities"? ...I'll wait.
 
Earnest T. Bass said:
Tell me how many titles/games has Alabama won "with their over the top facilities"? Tell me how many titles/games has Clemson won "with their over the top facilities"? ...I'll wait.
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Bassman, you always post these "If Miami doesn't mortgage their future now and spend $2 BILLION on facilities, they are doomed!!!" stories. Perhaps some context is in order:

- HC Pat Fitzgerald is a Northwestern alum who has stayed based on promises that new facilities were coming...They are fulfilling a promise.
- It's not like they aren't getting more TV money to do this build: SEC passing out a record $41m per team, and the Big Ten might pass it
- Seems that when it comes to $$$, Northwestern is more likely to spend it on competing with academic rivals in their conference, like Michigan:
The University of Michigan’s Ross School of Business Celebrates Grand Opening of New Academic Building
Yep, that Stephen Ross; his namesake school is right on Northwestern's Kellogg Management School's heels in academic rankings. So what does Northwestern do? Global Hub | Kellogg School of Management | Northwestern

Looks like Northwestern's priority isn't exactly football only in the grand scheme of things.

You need to chill, like your brother Billy

 
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CaneFan79 said:
Bassman, you always post these "If Miami doesn't mortgage their future now and spend $2 BILLION on facilities, they are doomed!!!" stories. Perhaps some context is in order:

- HC Pat Fitzgerald is a Northwestern alum who has stayed based on promises that new facilities were coming...They are fulfilling a promise.
- It's not like they aren't getting more TV money to do this build: SEC passing out a record $41m per team, and the Big Ten might pass it
- Seems that when it comes to $$$, Northwestern is more likely to spend it on competing with academic rivals in their conference, like Michigan:
The University of Michigan’s Ross School of Business Celebrates Grand Opening of New Academic Building
Yep, that Stephen Ross; his namesake school is right on Northwestern's Kellogg Management School's heels in academic rankings. So what does Northwestern do? Global Hub | Kellogg School of Management | Northwestern

Looks like Northwestern's priority isn't exactly football only in the grand scheme of things.

You need to chill, like your brother Billy

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$2 billion??? What in the **** are you taking about.

For the umpteenth time on this thread...pointing out what Northwestern is doing was done from the vantage point that if a school, not exactly known for winning College Football National Championships, believes they have to make an extraordinary investment in football facilities to just stay relevant should be an eye opener to ANY team that hopes to be relevant on the college landscape in the coming years .

I realize this reality makes the heads of many on this message board explode, but denying it is happening is absurd. Like it or not (and I sure as **** do not like it) the high end football facilities train has left the station and the Canes are going to have to find a way to get on-board or be left behind.
 
Earnest T. Bass said:
$2 billion??? What in the **** are you taking about.

For the umpteenth time on this thread...pointing out what Northwestern is doing was done from the vantage point that if a school, not exactly known for winning College Football National Championships, believes they have to make an extraordinary investment in football facilities to just stay relevant should be an eye opener to ANY team that hopes to be relevant on the college landscape in the coming years .

I realize this reality makes the heads of many on this message board explode, but denying it is happening is absurd. Like it or not (and I sure as **** do not like it) the high end football facilities train has left the station and the Canes are going to have to find a way to get on-board or be left behind.
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Explode? Hardly. Yeah $2 Billion, because all you ever do is talk about ever someone's "Taj Mahal" that Miami doesn't have and here is a value number for...The Taj Mahal:

https://www.quora.com/How-much-is-the-Taj-Mahal-worth

You got off easy at $2 Billion.

You are like those troops I had in the USAF who always whined about something but couldn't suggest a course of action to correct...

Airman Whiner "Gee Sgt Child Care Worker, I want to be off Friday but I have a duty day...WAAAAAAHHHH!"

(Me) "Did You ask Airman Booger if he could switch days with you?"

"Oh gee, no, I'll do that now!"

Same thing here Bassy, what funding model are you proposing and for what facility? Bond Issue with the interest paid by raising tuition even more? Frenk asking Carlos Slim for a donation in exchange for naming rights? Since this is your constant gripe, what serious proposals are you putting forth so that Miami can build (if space can be found on an already crowded campus) your Taj Mahls?
 

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ErnstEatMyAss, UM doesn't have $260mm to spend, nor would we have to. It called a strategic advantage. We have several-- brand, location, proximity to an embarrassment of talent riches-- and they have none. Hence, why they have to spend this kind of money and we don't. We're in Miami, they're in Evanston, Illinois. It's irrelevant.
 
CaneFan79 said:
Explode? Hardly. Yeah $2 Billion, because all you ever do is talk about ever someone's "Taj Mahal" that Miami doesn't have and here is a value number for...The Taj Mahal:

https://www.quora.com/How-much-is-the-Taj-Mahal-worth

You got off easy at $2 Billion.

You are like those troops I had in the USAF who always whined about something but couldn't suggest a course of action to correct...

Airman Whiner "Gee Sgt Child Care Worker, I want to be off Friday but I have a duty day...WAAAAAAHHHH!"

(Me) "Did You ask Airman Booger if he could switch days with you?"

"Oh gee, no, I'll do that now!"

Same thing here Bassy, what funding model are you proposing and for what facility? Bond Issue with the interest paid by raising tuition even more? Frenk asking Carlos Slim for a donation in exchange for naming rights? Since this is your constant gripe, what serious proposals are you putting forth so that Miami can build (if space can be found on an already crowded campus) your Taj Mahls?
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~As of yet I have not mentioned one word about funding (see below for my thoughts on that issue). My post ONLY speaks to a non-deniable challenge that the Canes are facing and no matter the fiscal implications of said problem they do not in any way lessen the negative impact this facilities arms race is going to have on UM football over the coming years. Does that even resonate with you?

I can't believe I have to explain this to an adult, but using the Taj Mahal analogy denotes buildings/structures/etc. of great opulence, which describes what is being built on college campuses across the nation.

For many years I subscribed to; “Don't Bring Me Problems—Bring Me Solutions!” Yet, having evolved I realized that I wanted to know about EVERY problem and did not want to dissuade those who identified a significant issue from presenting it if they did not have a solution. Of course, this does not apply to sophomoric issues such as finding a replacement when a team member wants to take a day off.

Finally, I have every confidence that the UM administration recognizes the significant challenge "I keep bringing up" and are at the very least brainstorming as how to respond. My belief is this issue will be solved with the introduction of a uber high net worth donor or a syndicate of high net worth benefactors. Putting together a sophisticated advance/planning team is a must and they will develop designs, location(s) and budgets for the consideration of the donor/benefactors. I suspect the funding will ultimately come from a syndicate with a goal of raising $100 to $200 million.

PS: Florida is already well down the road on this challenge and I suspect Florida State will not be far behind. And when that happens tell me how you are going to recruit against that?
 
Earnest T. Bass said:
It's not about Northwestern...the point is...if a university like Northwestern is plowing $270 million into their football facilities, schools in the SEC and other powerhouse conferences are going to annihilate schools that can't keep up with those budgets/facilities, thus recruiting will be next to impossible when competing against said schools. Seriously...did I really have to explain that to you?
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No, you didn't. That's why nobody can figure out wtf you were thinking posting this.
 
kryptonite said:
No, you didn't. That's why nobody can figure out wtf you were thinking posting this.
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You're wasting your time, *** loves the sound of his own keyboard. It's a good thing none of these other programs showed their superior facilities to Gurvan Hall, Lorenzo Lingard, Marcus Pope, Nesta Silvera, Brian Hightower, Jarren Williams, Brevin Jordan, etc. during their visits or else they'd never have signed here. That's the problem with living with your head in the sand, or in ***'s case, up his own ***. He assumes we will not be able to recruit but has no idea who we signed and who else offered them.
 
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Let OP argue with himself.

The idea that football programs are spending more money on facilities improvement is nothing new, every major P5 program, is aware of it, and most will use whatever resources they have available to keep up.

As everyone is aware, while Miami may not be on the leading edge with billion dollar smoothie bars, they are in a favorable position with the IPF currently undergoing completion, and with pretty spectacular new dorms soon to break ground.

As long as the facilities are kept at a modern standard, with the latest in training and nutrition, and let’s not forget the new adjacent medical facilities, we’ll be just fine.

It’s just a matter of being efficient with resources and space, while judging what’s feasible and what isn’t, what really makes a difference and what doesn’t (as far as recruiting). Miami has already made a commitment to spend as they can to maintain a championship level.
 
simplycanes said:
ErnstEatMyAss, UM doesn't have $260mm to spend, nor would we have to. It called a strategic advantage. We have several-- brand, location, proximity to an embarrassment of talent riches-- and they have none. Hence, why they have to spend this kind of money and we don't. We're in Miami, they're in Evanston, Illinois. It's irrelevant.
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Your ignorance and childlike naivete greatly impresses me.

The "we're in Miami and they're in back water America offsets the facilities issue" is laughable. Alabama (Tuscaloosa), FSU (Tallahassee), Clemson (Pickens County), Ohio State (Columbus) have done reasonably well over the last 10 or 15 years not being located in South Florida...have they not? That 305 location advantage is old news as the world of recruiting has become sophisticated and far reaching.

If you believe that Power-5 college football programs have invested close to a billion dollars in football facilities over the last decade simply because they had a pile of money they didn't know what to do with it, so be it. But, only naming two, Nick Saban and Dabo Swinney, have made it clear that to continue to dominate requires state of the art, opulent football facilities. Yet, you and others are much smarter than those two Cats...after all...what the **** do they know?

While I desperately wish I was wrong, one cannot deny what is undeniable.
 
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