Wisconsin officially sues Miami over Xavier Lucas

My buddy is a D2 head coach. Two weeks ago his best DL got poached illegally. This stuff is going on at all levels. Not saying we are guilty but Wisconsin needs to realize the game has changed. Every kid is on a weekly retainer.

I’m not a big fan of a lot of what’s going on right now and think there needs to be some better guidelines. Until then good luck and hope for the best.

Coaches used to worry about the late night call from the police. Now it’s the transfer portal.
 
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This is absurd,

Wisconsin wants the court to provide a declaratory judgment that UM committed Tortious Interference because of its contact with Lucas after he requested to be entered into the Transfer Portal. UW’s only explanation for why they would not enter Lucas’ name into the transfer portal is they had an NIL contract with him. Which, if true, would mean that UW is taking an actual legal position that it deprived Lucas of his right to enter the transfer portal. But courts don’t enforce specific performance. The court will never take the position that Lucas had to play for UW. All they could ever get back from him is any money paid to him. But he isn’t being sued and there is no factual assertion that Lucas kept any money to which he was not entitled. Which means no money damage.

There are so many problems with all of this. But the simplest is that UW doesn’t provide a specific request for damages, They want an amount equal to the damage to UW’s reputation UM caused by offering more money and taking Lucas. UW is quite literally arguing that UM punked them and that the court should feel bad for UW. The only damage to UW’s reputation is from UW acting like a cuckold.

As dumb as all of you think this is, it is actually dumber than that.
Here's another thought about their UM contact allegation...

UW made Lucas sign an agreement that not only bound him, but also his family and representatives (how did the agreement define representatives? We don't know...although safe to assume his mom is family) to contact another school. I doubt Lucas had his family's power of attorney. UW cannot bind the mother, etc. to Lucas's NIL agreement, especially one that is contingent upon a future event that is not certain to happen. Mom didn't even see ONE of the TWO AGREEMENTS until 11 days after it was signed, and it seems like she may have never seen the other.

Miami has so many defenses to this too. The law generally allows for free competition. They can also claim privilege or justification as a defense, and then I think UW has the burden of showing UM acted with malice or illegally.
 
Another problem. And what is the remedy for any of this????

UW is asking the court to tell UM, “You were bad and broke the rules. Don’t do it again”. Some judge will be so upset that this case will be assigned to him/her.
I had the same thought. Especially federal judges. They do not play when it come to having their time wasted. If K&S think that they can just put "an amount in controversy over $75,000" and keep the rest as is, the judge will not be on their side.
 
What "further information"? Where is "further information" in the NCAA rules?

Quite literally, Wisconsin CANNOT DO THIS. But they did. Speaking of a "pattern of NCAA violations", there's a picture in the dictionary OF WISCONSIN.


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Like I said can we not literally just email the NCAA UWs own lawsuit and admissions and say "you gunna punish this **** or not"?
 
Reading that made Wisconsin sound like butthurt soy boys exploiting a student athlete.
It is 100% exploitation of student-athletes, and they just detailed that they are doing that in a legal document and filed it for the public to see.

But yet UM is hurting THEIR reputation. And they want to be compensated. But they won’t say how much.
 
Okay, I've read through the complaint. Get ready for my first TOC-type post.

Initial thoughts:
- We really need to see the two contracts, and they weren't attached. But without knowing specifically what was in the contracts, we can't know whether Lucas (allegedly) breached his contract.
- Their basis for UM having jurisdiction in the state of Wisconsin is laughably weak, and predicated on them proving the facts of their case
- They also allege that UM has a "broader pattern" of doing this, say this wasn't an "isolated event," and even go so far as to mention a "Student-Athlete B" from another DI school (Lucas is "Student-Athlete A" in the Complaint). I'm guessing the other was from another Big10 school, but they are really laying it on thick.
- Courts are going to hate the non-compete aspects of this, and I am also getting the hunch that his mother wanted him to transfer because she didn't like that UW pushed him into the contract without representation.

12/2/24: Lucas signed the agreements
- The contract with UW was a Memorandum of Understanding, meaning an agreement to make a future contract, so to speak.
- Both the MOU and the contract with the collective, were contingent on the House settlement, meaning that Lucas would receive NIL money once the settlement went into effect.
- Lucas also received money on 12/2/2, when the agreements were signed (this will be argued that it is consideration)
- Part of the deal was that Lucas was to start performing on the agreements immediately. He
- The agreements also allegedly required that Lucas would grant UW an exclusive license to his NIL rights for two years - meaning that he could not give his NIL rights to another "institution" for those two years without breaching the contract
- He was also required to repeatedly make certain warranties and representations regarding his commitment to UW and the football program, and he couldn't make any other agreements that would conflict with these agreements, he wouldn't enroll in another school, and neither he nor anyone in his family/representatives would contact any other school

Transfer Timeline:
12/9/24: Transfer portal open
12/12/24: Lucas participated in UW promo videos describing his most memorable play of 2024 season
12/13/24: Lucas's mother received copy of UW contract PER HER REQUEST (so Lucas had to sign on the day they presented to him, without being able to take it to his mom / attorney / representation???)
12/15/24: Lucas goes home to Florida, but mentions to position coach before he leaves that he is being contacted by other SCHOOLS (plural)
12/17/24: Lucas asks to be put in portal
12/18/24: Lucas asks AGAIN to be put in portal, included family reason. Over next few days, UW tries to talk to Lucas, mom, and hs coach, but they don't want to talk to UW about being convinced to stay, they just want him to be put in portal. UW refuses on the basis that he signed a binding contract.
12/21/24: After another call with Lucas and mom, mom asked for ANOTHER copy of contract. They email UW contract. Note that both times they do not send her collective contract. UW notes that throughout these discussions they continue to remind Lucas of his contractual obligations. UW also alleges that on this day, Lucas's relative talked to a coach and gave him a different reason for him wanting to transfer (not family-related).
12/28/24: Transfer portal closed
1/13/25: Lucas unenrolls from UW

Miami-Related Allegations (i.e., not proven):
- Dec 2024 in-person visit (when Lucas was home), which Lucas's relative communicated to UW coach on 12/21 call
- UM reps agreed to pay Lucas if he left UW and came to UM, and it was more than UW was giving him
- UM facilitated Lucas's enrollment after transfer deadline passed
- This is a pattern because we have done this with another player at another school

Now, can they PROVE any of this? Can they satisfy the elements of tortious interference? I won't get into jurisdiction because we've already 12(b)(6)'d it.

1. First, they have to prove that both plaintiffs had valid, EXISTING contracts with Lucas. This is a BIG hurdle. We've talked about that.

2. If they get through that, then they have to prove that UM and the representatives in the facts here even had knowledge of the contracts. Good luck with that!

3. Okay, then show that UM intentionally and UNJUSTLY induced Lucas to breach. As i said above, courts are not going to like the noncompete aspects of this. Plus, the contracts relied on a settlement that HADN'T OCCURRED YET! And kids transfer all the time. Yikes.

4. Then of course if you satisfy the first three, then you get to trying to prove Lucas breached the contract, which maybe is the best shot they've got, but they aren't innocent here.

5. Last, you have damages. Interestingly, they don't name a number, but they do keep stressing how high the amounts are and how valuable Lucas is...

I wouldn't want to be representing UW right now. That's my assessment. It's an uphill battle.

3.

Thanks for posting.
 
I can see @DMoney reading this on the pod in the same manner he does the pre-season pod ****ting on UF lol

DEFENDANT UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI’S RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS’ COMPLAINT AND MOTION TO DISMISS

The Defendant, University of Miami (“Miami”), by and through its undersigned counsel, hereby responds to the Complaint filed by Plaintiffs, The Board of Regents of the University of Wisconsin System, on behalf of the University of Wisconsin-Madison (“Wisconsin”), and VC Connect, LLC (“VC Connect” or “the Collective”), and moves to dismiss this pathetic, baseless lawsuit pursuant to Wis. Stat. § 802.06(2)(a)6 for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. This is not a legal action—it’s a sniveling, hypocritical tantrum from a program so incompetent it drove its own star athlete out the door, then had the audacity to blame Miami. Wisconsin’s claims are a legal embarrassment, their NCAA violations are glaring, and this Court should spike this garbage into the trash where it belongs while we drag their sorry hides before the NCAA for the sanctions they’ve earned.


I. INTRODUCTION: WISCONSIN’S SHAMEFUL ATTEMPT TO DODGE ACCOUNTABILITY

Let’s be crystal clear: Wisconsin’s lawsuit is a masterclass in delusion, a desperate attempt to shift blame for their own catastrophic failures onto Miami. Student-Athlete A didn’t just leave their sinking ship—he fled in horror, and who could blame him? Wisconsin’s own shoddy contract practices and NCAA rule-breaking are what pushed him out, not some imaginary “tampering” by Miami. They had him sign a contract without legal representation (Compl. ¶ 19), sat on it for weeks before giving his mother a copy only after she demanded it (¶ 34), ignored a health concern, and then—here’s the kicker—refused to enter him into the Transfer Portal, a direct violation of NCAA rules (¶¶ 42-43). Now they’re whining about “tampering” because his name wasn’t in the portal? That’s rich, considering they’re the ones who blocked his entry! This isn’t a case; it’s a circus, and Wisconsin’s the clown. Miami will dismantle this farce, expose their guilt, and ensure they face the NCAA’s wrath.


II. WISCONSIN’S SELF-INFLICTED WOUND: THEIR OWN MISCONDUCT DROVE THE TRANSFER

Wisconsin’s Complaint unwittingly lays bare their own incompetence as the root cause of Student-Athlete A’s departure. On December 2, 2024, they pressured a freshman athlete to sign two NIL contracts—a “University Contract” with Wisconsin and a “Collective Contract” with VC Connect—without any indication he had legal representation (¶ 19). This reeks of exploitation, railroading a young student into binding agreements without proper counsel. Then, they stonewalled his mother, only providing a hard copy of the University Contract on December 13, 2024, after she explicitly requested it (¶ 34), and another copy on December 21, 2024, after further demands (¶ 43). This delay screams bad faith, leaving the family in the dark about his obligations.
Add to that a health concern—buried in their vague “family-related reason” excuse (¶ 40)—that Wisconsin apparently ignored, and it’s no wonder Student-Athlete A wanted out by December 17, 2024 (¶ 38). His abrupt request to enter the Transfer Portal that evening, before any alleged contact with Miami (¶ 47), proves he was done with Wisconsin’s mess. Their refusal to enter him into the portal (¶ 42), despite NCAA rules mandating compliance with such requests, sealed the deal. Wisconsin didn’t lose him to Miami’s “interference”—they lost him because they’re a disorganized, rule-breaking disaster. Blaming us is just pathetic.


III. RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS’ ALLEGATIONS: A HOUSE OF CARDS

Wisconsin’s claims—tortious interference with existing and prospective contracts, plus a laughable declaratory judgment demand—are so flimsy they’d collapse under a stiff breeze. Let’s tear them apart.
A. Tortious Interference with Existing Contracts (Counts I and II)
To state a claim for tortious interference with a contract under Wisconsin law, Plaintiffs must allege: (1) a valid contract; (2) Miami’s knowledge of it; (3) intentional and unjustified interference inducing a breach; (4) a breach caused by Miami; and (5) damages. Mackenzie v. Miller Brewing Co., 241 Wis. 2d 700, 623 N.W.2d 739 (2001). Their pleading is a masterclass in failure.
  1. No Evidence Miami Knew of Their Shady Contracts
    Wisconsin’s assertion that Miami “was aware” of the University Contract (¶ 54) and Collective Contract (¶ 64) is pure fantasy, propped up by a flimsy “on information and belief.” That’s legal-speak for “we’re making it up.” No dates, no documents, no specifics—just hot air. Ashcroft v. Iqbal, 556 U.S. 662, 678 (2009) demands more than this drivel, and Wisconsin’s got nothing.
  2. Intentional Interference? Try Intentional Incompetence
    The Complaint’s vague “impermissible contacts” (¶ 47) don’t come close to proving Miami intended to induce a breach. A coach’s visit or a compensation discussion? That’s standard recruiting, not a conspiracy. And guess what? Student-Athlete A was already out the door, citing “family-related reasons” (¶ 40) before Miami’s alleged involvement (¶ 47). Wisconsin’s trying to pin their dumpster fire on us—it’s pathetic.
  3. Causation? Wisconsin’s the Culprit
    The timeline buries them. Student-Athlete A demanded portal entry on December 17, 2024 (¶ 38); Miami’s supposed contacts started December 18 (¶ 47). He’d already checked out, fed up with Wisconsin’s contract shenanigans and their health concern neglect. Causation’s a pipe dream—Wisconsin’s own failures drove him away.
  4. Wisconsin’s NCAA Violation: Refusing Portal Entry
    Here’s the nail in their coffin: Wisconsin refused to enter Student-Athlete A into the Transfer Portal (¶ 42), despite NCAA rules requiring it when a player requests. Then they cry “tampering” because his name wasn’t listed—because they blocked it! It’s like burning your own house down and suing the fire department. Their hypocrisy is staggering, and it’s an NCAA violation we’ll shove in their faces.
  5. No Improper Conduct by Miami
    Even if Miami contacted Student-Athlete A, it’s called competition, not tort. He had every right to explore options, especially after Wisconsin’s misconduct. Their “tampering” whining belongs in an NCAA complaint, not a courtroom.
B. Tortious Interference with Prospective Contracts (Counts III and IV)
These claims are even dumber. Wisconsin needs: (1) a specific prospective contract; (2) Miami’s knowledge; (3) improper interference; and (4) damages. Duct-O-Wire Co. v. U.S. Crane, Inc., 31 F.3d 506 (7th Cir. 1994). They’re swinging at air.
  1. “Prospective Contracts”? Pure Fiction
    “Additional contracts” (¶¶ 70, 78)? That’s it? No terms, no timeline, no proof. It’s a daydream, not a claim. Shank v. William R. Hague, Inc., 192 F.3d 675, 689 (7th Cir. 1999) requires a concrete expectation—Wisconsin’s got squat.
  2. Knowledge and Interference? Keep Dreaming
    No evidence Miami knew of their fantasy deals, and their “relationship” with Student-Athlete A (¶¶ 72, 81) was public knowledge, not a trade secret. Recruiting a high-profile athlete isn’t interference—it’s college football.
  3. Damages? Only to Their Pride
    Their “financial and other benefits” (¶¶ 75, 83) are as real as their chances at a national title. They lost him because he couldn’t stand them—tough luck.
C. Declaratory Relief (Count V): A Joke
Wisconsin wants a declaration that Miami “tampered” (¶¶ 85-89). Are they serious?
  1. NCAA’s Turf, Not This Court’s
    Tampering’s an NCAA issue, not a judicial one. Ohio State Univ. v. Kuhn, 2018 WL 1804925 (S.D. Ohio Apr. 17, 2018) says courts stay out of NCAA disputes. Wisconsin’s too spineless to face the NCAA, so they’re wasting our time here.
  2. No Controversy Left
    Student-Athlete A’s at Miami (¶ 46). The fight’s over. This is just Wisconsin begging for a participation trophy.


IV. MOTION TO DISMISS: END THIS FARCE

Miami moves to dismiss under Wis. Stat. § 802.06(2)(a)6. This Complaint is a legal trainwreck for three reasons:
  1. No Facts, Just Whining
    Vague assertions and “information and belief” don’t cut it. Wisconsin’s pleading is a masterclass in futility.
  2. Wisconsin’s Own Fault
    Their contract mishandling and portal refusal drove Student-Athlete A out. Miami’s contacts came after he’d already decided to bolt—causation’s dead.
  3. Wrong Forum
    Tampering’s an NCAA matter. Wisconsin’s dragging us into court because they’re terrified of NCAA scrutiny.


V. WISCONSIN’S NCAA VIOLATIONS: CAUGHT RED-HANDED

Wisconsin’s Complaint is a confession of guilt. First, they refused to enter Student-Athlete A into the Transfer Portal (¶ 42), a clear NCAA violation when a player requests it. Then they scream “tampering” because his name wasn’t listed—because they wouldn’t list it! It’s hypocrisy on steroids. Second, their “University Contract” (¶ 19) looks like illegal institutional NIL pay, especially since it hinged on the House settlement (¶ 22), finalized in June 2025 (¶ 4). Third, having a freshman sign without representation (¶ 19) and withholding the contract from his mother (¶¶ 34, 43) smells like unethical inducement. Miami’s taking this to the NCAA, and Wisconsin’s going to regret their stupidity.

VI. CONCLUSION: WISCONSIN’S DOOMED, MIAMI’S UNSTOPPABLE

This lawsuit is a pathetic, sniveling cry from a program that fumbled its own athlete and now wants to blame Miami. It’s legally brain-dead, factually absurd, and reeks of Wisconsin’s guilt. We’re not just confident this gets tossed—we’re counting the seconds until this Court obliterates it. Then we’re coming for Wisconsin’s NCAA hide, exposing their violations and ensuring they pay dearly. They picked the wrong fight, and we’re going to make them choke on it.

Respectfully submitted (with zero respect for Wisconsin’s clown show),
[Counsel for the University of Miami]
Dated: June 21, 2025
 
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I can see @DMoney reading this on the pod in the same manner he does the pre-season pod ****ting on UF lol

DEFENDANT UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI’S RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS’ COMPLAINT AND MOTION TO DISMISS
The Defendant, University of Miami (“Miami”), by and through its undersigned counsel, hereby responds to the Complaint filed by Plaintiffs, The Board of Regents of the University of Wisconsin System, on behalf of the University of Wisconsin-Madison (“Wisconsin”), and VC Connect, LLC (“VC Connect” or “the Collective”), and moves to dismiss this pathetic, baseless lawsuit pursuant to Wis. Stat. § 802.06(2)(a)6 for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. This is not a legal action—it’s a sniveling, hypocritical tantrum from a program so incompetent it drove its own star athlete out the door, then had the audacity to blame Miami. Wisconsin’s claims are a legal embarrassment, their NCAA violations are glaring, and this Court should spike this garbage into the trash where it belongs while we drag their sorry hides before the NCAA for the sanctions they’ve earned.

I. INTRODUCTION: WISCONSIN’S SHAMEFUL ATTEMPT TO DODGE ACCOUNTABILITY
Let’s be crystal clear: Wisconsin’s lawsuit is a masterclass in delusion, a desperate attempt to shift blame for their own catastrophic failures onto Miami. Student-Athlete A didn’t just leave their sinking ship—he fled in horror, and who could blame him? Wisconsin’s own shoddy contract practices and NCAA rule-breaking are what pushed him out, not some imaginary “tampering” by Miami. They had him sign a contract without legal representation (Compl. ¶ 19), sat on it for weeks before giving his mother a copy only after she demanded it (¶ 34), ignored a health concern, and then—here’s the kicker—refused to enter him into the Transfer Portal, a direct violation of NCAA rules (¶¶ 42-43). Now they’re whining about “tampering” because his name wasn’t in the portal? That’s rich, considering they’re the ones who blocked his entry! This isn’t a case; it’s a circus, and Wisconsin’s the clown. Miami will dismantle this farce, expose their guilt, and ensure they face the NCAA’s wrath.

II. WISCONSIN’S SELF-INFLICTED WOUND: THEIR OWN MISCONDUCT DROVE THE TRANSFER
Wisconsin’s Complaint unwittingly lays bare their own incompetence as the root cause of Student-Athlete A’s departure. On December 2, 2024, they pressured a freshman athlete to sign two NIL contracts—a “University Contract” with Wisconsin and a “Collective Contract” with VC Connect—without any indication he had legal representation (¶ 19). This reeks of exploitation, railroading a young student into binding agreements without proper counsel. Then, they stonewalled his mother, only providing a hard copy of the University Contract on December 13, 2024, after she explicitly requested it (¶ 34), and another copy on December 21, 2024, after further demands (¶ 43). This delay screams bad faith, leaving the family in the dark about his obligations.
Add to that a health concern—buried in their vague “family-related reason” excuse (¶ 40)—that Wisconsin apparently ignored, and it’s no wonder Student-Athlete A wanted out by December 17, 2024 (¶ 38). His abrupt request to enter the Transfer Portal that evening, before any alleged contact with Miami (¶ 47), proves he was done with Wisconsin’s mess. Their refusal to enter him into the portal (¶ 42), despite NCAA rules mandating compliance with such requests, sealed the deal. Wisconsin didn’t lose him to Miami’s “interference”—they lost him because they’re a disorganized, rule-breaking disaster. Blaming us is just pathetic.

III. RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS’ ALLEGATIONS: A HOUSE OF CARDS
Wisconsin’s claims—tortious interference with existing and prospective contracts, plus a laughable declaratory judgment demand—are so flimsy they’d collapse under a stiff breeze. Let’s tear them apart.
A. Tortious Interference with Existing Contracts (Counts I and II)
To state a claim for tortious interference with a contract under Wisconsin law, Plaintiffs must allege: (1) a valid contract; (2) Miami’s knowledge of it; (3) intentional and unjustified interference inducing a breach; (4) a breach caused by Miami; and (5) damages. Mackenzie v. Miller Brewing Co., 241 Wis. 2d 700, 623 N.W.2d 739 (2001). Their pleading is a masterclass in failure.
  1. No Evidence Miami Knew of Their Shady Contracts
    Wisconsin’s assertion that Miami “was aware” of the University Contract (¶ 54) and Collective Contract (¶ 64) is pure fantasy, propped up by a flimsy “on information and belief.” That’s legal-speak for “we’re making it up.” No dates, no documents, no specifics—just hot air. Ashcroft v. Iqbal, 556 U.S. 662, 678 (2009) demands more than this drivel, and Wisconsin’s got nothing.
  2. Intentional Interference? Try Intentional Incompetence
    The Complaint’s vague “impermissible contacts” (¶ 47) don’t come close to proving Miami intended to induce a breach. A coach’s visit or a compensation discussion? That’s standard recruiting, not a conspiracy. And guess what? Student-Athlete A was already out the door, citing “family-related reasons” (¶ 40) before Miami’s alleged involvement (¶ 47). Wisconsin’s trying to pin their dumpster fire on us—it’s pathetic.
  3. Causation? Wisconsin’s the Culprit
    The timeline buries them. Student-Athlete A demanded portal entry on December 17, 2024 (¶ 38); Miami’s supposed contacts started December 18 (¶ 47). He’d already checked out, fed up with Wisconsin’s contract shenanigans and their health concern neglect. Causation’s a pipe dream—Wisconsin’s own failures drove him away.
  4. Wisconsin’s NCAA Violation: Refusing Portal Entry
    Here’s the nail in their coffin: Wisconsin refused to enter Student-Athlete A into the Transfer Portal (¶ 42), despite NCAA rules requiring it when a player requests. Then they cry “tampering” because his name wasn’t listed—because they blocked it! It’s like burning your own house down and suing the fire department. Their hypocrisy is staggering, and it’s an NCAA violation we’ll shove in their faces.
  5. No Improper Conduct by Miami
    Even if Miami contacted Student-Athlete A, it’s called competition, not tort. He had every right to explore options, especially after Wisconsin’s misconduct. Their “tampering” whining belongs in an NCAA complaint, not a courtroom.
B. Tortious Interference with Prospective Contracts (Counts III and IV)
These claims are even dumber. Wisconsin needs: (1) a specific prospective contract; (2) Miami’s knowledge; (3) improper interference; and (4) damages. Duct-O-Wire Co. v. U.S. Crane, Inc., 31 F.3d 506 (7th Cir. 1994). They’re swinging at air.
  1. “Prospective Contracts”? Pure Fiction
    “Additional contracts” (¶¶ 70, 78)? That’s it? No terms, no timeline, no proof. It’s a daydream, not a claim. Shank v. William R. Hague, Inc., 192 F.3d 675, 689 (7th Cir. 1999) requires a concrete expectation—Wisconsin’s got squat.
  2. Knowledge and Interference? Keep Dreaming
    No evidence Miami knew of their fantasy deals, and their “relationship” with Student-Athlete A (¶¶ 72, 81) was public knowledge, not a trade secret. Recruiting a high-profile athlete isn’t interference—it’s college football.
  3. Damages? Only to Their Pride
    Their “financial and other benefits” (¶¶ 75, 83) are as real as their chances at a national title. They lost him because he couldn’t stand them—tough luck.
C. Declaratory Relief (Count V): A Joke
Wisconsin wants a declaration that Miami “tampered” (¶¶ 85-89). Are they serious?
  1. NCAA’s Turf, Not This Court’s
    Tampering’s an NCAA issue, not a judicial one. Ohio State Univ. v. Kuhn, 2018 WL 1804925 (S.D. Ohio Apr. 17, 2018) says courts stay out of NCAA disputes. Wisconsin’s too spineless to face the NCAA, so they’re wasting our time here.
  2. No Controversy Left
    Student-Athlete A’s at Miami (¶ 46). The fight’s over. This is just Wisconsin begging for a participation trophy.

IV. MOTION TO DISMISS: END THIS FARCE
Miami moves to dismiss under Wis. Stat. § 802.06(2)(a)6. This Complaint is a legal trainwreck for three reasons:
  1. No Facts, Just Whining
    Vague assertions and “information and belief” don’t cut it. Wisconsin’s pleading is a masterclass in futility.
  2. Wisconsin’s Own Fault
    Their contract mishandling and portal refusal drove Student-Athlete A out. Miami’s contacts came after he’d already decided to bolt—causation’s dead.
  3. Wrong Forum
    Tampering’s an NCAA matter. Wisconsin’s dragging us into court because they’re terrified of NCAA scrutiny.

V. WISCONSIN’S NCAA VIOLATIONS: CAUGHT RED-HANDED
Wisconsin’s Complaint is a confession of guilt. First, they refused to enter Student-Athlete A into the Transfer Portal (¶ 42), a clear NCAA violation when a player requests it. Then they scream “tampering” because his name wasn’t listed—because they wouldn’t list it! It’s hypocrisy on steroids. Second, their “University Contract” (¶ 19) looks like illegal institutional NIL pay, especially since it hinged on the House settlement (¶ 22), finalized in June 2025 (¶ 4). Third, having a freshman sign without representation (¶ 19) and withholding the contract from his mother (¶¶ 34, 43) smells like unethical inducement. Miami’s taking this to the NCAA, and Wisconsin’s going to regret their stupidity.

VI. CONCLUSION: WISCONSIN’S DOOMED, MIAMI’S UNSTOPPABLE
This lawsuit is a pathetic, sniveling cry from a program that fumbled its own athlete and now wants to blame Miami. It’s legally brain-dead, factually absurd, and reeks of Wisconsin’s guilt. We’re not just confident this gets tossed—we’re counting the seconds until this Court obliterates it. Then we’re coming for Wisconsin’s NCAA hide, exposing their violations and ensuring they pay dearly. They picked the wrong fight, and we’re going to make them choke on it.
Respectfully submitted (with zero respect for Wisconsin’s clown show),
[Counsel for the University of Miami]
Dated: June 21, 2025
I couldn’t possibly love this more.

Only thing is that it’s missing their pathetic attempt to sue us for tortious interference of future contracts too!
 
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Thats in there a bit I believe section III part B
You’re right! I scrolled past it on my phone and it’s late.

It does also say that Miami’s contacts with Lucas started on 12/18. Do you happen to know where that date came from and if it is true? The complaint didn’t name a date for the Miami contact, and that is key.
 
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I don’t think any of this matters. I think they’re more concerning part should be that Wisconsin’s effort in this lawsuit are being backed by the Big Ten. That’s the bigger problem.

I actually think Wisconsin is being used by the B1G to file. I read mention that Wisconsin was reluctant to file this. Either way, what is the conference supposed to say? They don’t support it and essentially ruin their standard template they had all the schools use? They’d look like idiots not supporting it.
 
I actually think Wisconsin is being used by the B1G to file. I read mention that Wisconsin was reluctant to file this. Either way, what is the conference supposed to say? They don’t support it and essentially ruin their standard template they had all the schools use? They’d look like idiots not supporting it.
To me, this is what it is about. The fact they have had their schools use this template for months - IDK if schools modified it in any way but if this goes down, what does it mean for all the athletes who signed it?

They want to drag Miami through the mud as much as possible.
 
I can see @DMoney reading this on the pod in the same manner he does the pre-season pod ****ting on UF lol

DEFENDANT UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI’S RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS’ COMPLAINT AND MOTION TO DISMISS

The Defendant, University of Miami (“Miami”), by and through its undersigned counsel, hereby responds to the Complaint filed by Plaintiffs, The Board of Regents of the University of Wisconsin System, on behalf of the University of Wisconsin-Madison (“Wisconsin”), and VC Connect, LLC (“VC Connect” or “the Collective”), and moves to dismiss this pathetic, baseless lawsuit pursuant to Wis. Stat. § 802.06(2)(a)6 for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. This is not a legal action—it’s a sniveling, hypocritical tantrum from a program so incompetent it drove its own star athlete out the door, then had the audacity to blame Miami. Wisconsin’s claims are a legal embarrassment, their NCAA violations are glaring, and this Court should spike this garbage into the trash where it belongs while we drag their sorry hides before the NCAA for the sanctions they’ve earned.


I. INTRODUCTION: WISCONSIN’S SHAMEFUL ATTEMPT TO DODGE ACCOUNTABILITY

Let’s be crystal clear: Wisconsin’s lawsuit is a masterclass in delusion, a desperate attempt to shift blame for their own catastrophic failures onto Miami. Student-Athlete A didn’t just leave their sinking ship—he fled in horror, and who could blame him? Wisconsin’s own shoddy contract practices and NCAA rule-breaking are what pushed him out, not some imaginary “tampering” by Miami. They had him sign a contract without legal representation (Compl. ¶ 19), sat on it for weeks before giving his mother a copy only after she demanded it (¶ 34), ignored a health concern, and then—here’s the kicker—refused to enter him into the Transfer Portal, a direct violation of NCAA rules (¶¶ 42-43). Now they’re whining about “tampering” because his name wasn’t in the portal? That’s rich, considering they’re the ones who blocked his entry! This isn’t a case; it’s a circus, and Wisconsin’s the clown. Miami will dismantle this farce, expose their guilt, and ensure they face the NCAA’s wrath.


II. WISCONSIN’S SELF-INFLICTED WOUND: THEIR OWN MISCONDUCT DROVE THE TRANSFER

Wisconsin’s Complaint unwittingly lays bare their own incompetence as the root cause of Student-Athlete A’s departure. On December 2, 2024, they pressured a freshman athlete to sign two NIL contracts—a “University Contract” with Wisconsin and a “Collective Contract” with VC Connect—without any indication he had legal representation (¶ 19). This reeks of exploitation, railroading a young student into binding agreements without proper counsel. Then, they stonewalled his mother, only providing a hard copy of the University Contract on December 13, 2024, after she explicitly requested it (¶ 34), and another copy on December 21, 2024, after further demands (¶ 43). This delay screams bad faith, leaving the family in the dark about his obligations.
Add to that a health concern—buried in their vague “family-related reason” excuse (¶ 40)—that Wisconsin apparently ignored, and it’s no wonder Student-Athlete A wanted out by December 17, 2024 (¶ 38). His abrupt request to enter the Transfer Portal that evening, before any alleged contact with Miami (¶ 47), proves he was done with Wisconsin’s mess. Their refusal to enter him into the portal (¶ 42), despite NCAA rules mandating compliance with such requests, sealed the deal. Wisconsin didn’t lose him to Miami’s “interference”—they lost him because they’re a disorganized, rule-breaking disaster. Blaming us is just pathetic.


III. RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS’ ALLEGATIONS: A HOUSE OF CARDS

Wisconsin’s claims—tortious interference with existing and prospective contracts, plus a laughable declaratory judgment demand—are so flimsy they’d collapse under a stiff breeze. Let’s tear them apart.
A. Tortious Interference with Existing Contracts (Counts I and II)
To state a claim for tortious interference with a contract under Wisconsin law, Plaintiffs must allege: (1) a valid contract; (2) Miami’s knowledge of it; (3) intentional and unjustified interference inducing a breach; (4) a breach caused by Miami; and (5) damages. Mackenzie v. Miller Brewing Co., 241 Wis. 2d 700, 623 N.W.2d 739 (2001). Their pleading is a masterclass in failure.
  1. No Evidence Miami Knew of Their Shady Contracts
    Wisconsin’s assertion that Miami “was aware” of the University Contract (¶ 54) and Collective Contract (¶ 64) is pure fantasy, propped up by a flimsy “on information and belief.” That’s legal-speak for “we’re making it up.” No dates, no documents, no specifics—just hot air. Ashcroft v. Iqbal, 556 U.S. 662, 678 (2009) demands more than this drivel, and Wisconsin’s got nothing.
  2. Intentional Interference? Try Intentional Incompetence
    The Complaint’s vague “impermissible contacts” (¶ 47) don’t come close to proving Miami intended to induce a breach. A coach’s visit or a compensation discussion? That’s standard recruiting, not a conspiracy. And guess what? Student-Athlete A was already out the door, citing “family-related reasons” (¶ 40) before Miami’s alleged involvement (¶ 47). Wisconsin’s trying to pin their dumpster fire on us—it’s pathetic.
  3. Causation? Wisconsin’s the Culprit
    The timeline buries them. Student-Athlete A demanded portal entry on December 17, 2024 (¶ 38); Miami’s supposed contacts started December 18 (¶ 47). He’d already checked out, fed up with Wisconsin’s contract shenanigans and their health concern neglect. Causation’s a pipe dream—Wisconsin’s own failures drove him away.
  4. Wisconsin’s NCAA Violation: Refusing Portal Entry
    Here’s the nail in their coffin: Wisconsin refused to enter Student-Athlete A into the Transfer Portal (¶ 42), despite NCAA rules requiring it when a player requests. Then they cry “tampering” because his name wasn’t listed—because they blocked it! It’s like burning your own house down and suing the fire department. Their hypocrisy is staggering, and it’s an NCAA violation we’ll shove in their faces.
  5. No Improper Conduct by Miami
    Even if Miami contacted Student-Athlete A, it’s called competition, not tort. He had every right to explore options, especially after Wisconsin’s misconduct. Their “tampering” whining belongs in an NCAA complaint, not a courtroom.
B. Tortious Interference with Prospective Contracts (Counts III and IV)
These claims are even dumber. Wisconsin needs: (1) a specific prospective contract; (2) Miami’s knowledge; (3) improper interference; and (4) damages. Duct-O-Wire Co. v. U.S. Crane, Inc., 31 F.3d 506 (7th Cir. 1994). They’re swinging at air.
  1. “Prospective Contracts”? Pure Fiction
    “Additional contracts” (¶¶ 70, 78)? That’s it? No terms, no timeline, no proof. It’s a daydream, not a claim. Shank v. William R. Hague, Inc., 192 F.3d 675, 689 (7th Cir. 1999) requires a concrete expectation—Wisconsin’s got squat.
  2. Knowledge and Interference? Keep Dreaming
    No evidence Miami knew of their fantasy deals, and their “relationship” with Student-Athlete A (¶¶ 72, 81) was public knowledge, not a trade secret. Recruiting a high-profile athlete isn’t interference—it’s college football.
  3. Damages? Only to Their Pride
    Their “financial and other benefits” (¶¶ 75, 83) are as real as their chances at a national title. They lost him because he couldn’t stand them—tough luck.
C. Declaratory Relief (Count V): A Joke
Wisconsin wants a declaration that Miami “tampered” (¶¶ 85-89). Are they serious?
  1. NCAA’s Turf, Not This Court’s
    Tampering’s an NCAA issue, not a judicial one. Ohio State Univ. v. Kuhn, 2018 WL 1804925 (S.D. Ohio Apr. 17, 2018) says courts stay out of NCAA disputes. Wisconsin’s too spineless to face the NCAA, so they’re wasting our time here.
  2. No Controversy Left
    Student-Athlete A’s at Miami (¶ 46). The fight’s over. This is just Wisconsin begging for a participation trophy.


IV. MOTION TO DISMISS: END THIS FARCE

Miami moves to dismiss under Wis. Stat. § 802.06(2)(a)6. This Complaint is a legal trainwreck for three reasons:
  1. No Facts, Just Whining
    Vague assertions and “information and belief” don’t cut it. Wisconsin’s pleading is a masterclass in futility.
  2. Wisconsin’s Own Fault
    Their contract mishandling and portal refusal drove Student-Athlete A out. Miami’s contacts came after he’d already decided to bolt—causation’s dead.
  3. Wrong Forum
    Tampering’s an NCAA matter. Wisconsin’s dragging us into court because they’re terrified of NCAA scrutiny.


V. WISCONSIN’S NCAA VIOLATIONS: CAUGHT RED-HANDED

Wisconsin’s Complaint is a confession of guilt. First, they refused to enter Student-Athlete A into the Transfer Portal (¶ 42), a clear NCAA violation when a player requests it. Then they scream “tampering” because his name wasn’t listed—because they wouldn’t list it! It’s hypocrisy on steroids. Second, their “University Contract” (¶ 19) looks like illegal institutional NIL pay, especially since it hinged on the House settlement (¶ 22), finalized in June 2025 (¶ 4). Third, having a freshman sign without representation (¶ 19) and withholding the contract from his mother (¶¶ 34, 43) smells like unethical inducement. Miami’s taking this to the NCAA, and Wisconsin’s going to regret their stupidity.

VI. CONCLUSION: WISCONSIN’S DOOMED, MIAMI’S UNSTOPPABLE

This lawsuit is a pathetic, sniveling cry from a program that fumbled its own athlete and now wants to blame Miami. It’s legally brain-dead, factually absurd, and reeks of Wisconsin’s guilt. We’re not just confident this gets tossed—we’re counting the seconds until this Court obliterates it. Then we’re coming for Wisconsin’s NCAA hide, exposing their violations and ensuring they pay dearly. They picked the wrong fight, and we’re going to make them choke on it.

Respectfully submitted (with zero respect for Wisconsin’s clown show),
[Counsel for the University of Miami]
Dated: June 21, 2025
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