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Winslow Jr. Takes a Plea Deal

Tad Footeball said:
Yes, I do. Like I said, it seems like prosecutors/state attorney offices are more concerned with ending cases, not going to trial and chalking up convictions and conviction rates than actual justice.

You find it appropriate that someone can face a range of incarceration from only 12 years or all the way up to life because plea deals are relied on so heavily?
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How often, as a percent, do you believe the party taking the plea deal is innocent? There’s no way to know the number obviously but I’m curious as to how prevalent you think that is.
 
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Tad Footeball said:
If a plea is offered then it should've been 25+ years IF you're also willing threaten to take someone to trial with life on the table. You can't be both comfortable with locking someone up for life AND just potentially locking them up for only 12 years.

Again, I have an issue with prosecutors more intent on not going to trial and cutting deals and hitting conviction rates numbers to advance their own careers than doing what the public mistakenly thinks they do- arguing cases in actual court.
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When you have dozens of cases on the table, you will try to dispose of cases as efficiently as possible. The typical non-attorney doesn't understand how much goes into a trial, and how having multiple going at one time can increase the likelihood of mistakes. Prosecutors are stretched to the limit, and plea bargains have become a useful part of the process. Winslow will most likely serve the entire thing, and that's not even including any additional charges he may pick up. Winslow has the money to tie up prosecutors with attorneys if he wanted to, him taking a plea ought to tell you how bad the case was against him.
 
Tad Footeball said:
www.espn.com

Winslow Jr. pleads guilty to rape, sexual battery

Former NFL player Kellen Winslow Jr. pleaded guilty Monday to raping an unconscious teen and sexual battery involving a 54-year-old hitchhiker. In exchange for his plea, the court agreed to sentence him to between 12 and 18 years in prison.
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Gonna go away for 12 to 18 years.

He's obviously not right in the head and very well could be guilty of a bunch of this but it also seems like some lazy and/or incompetent work by these prosecutors.

If I'm one of the potential victims from the cases they dropped so he'd take this deal then I'm beyond ****ed. If I'm Winslow and actually innocent then I'm beyond ****ed that it was this or possibly life and them proceeding with cases they were so willing to drop.

I just play a lawyer on tv but it seems like wayyyyy too much of our judicial system is just about wrapping cases up and not about actual justice or even proceeding all the way through the system with actual trials.
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So many judgemental pieces of **** in this dyck sucking fanbase. The same individuals who once upon a time wanted to literally suck the c*m out of K2's dyck, are the same individuals who are currently saying he should die in prison, given the death penalty, & assassinating his character/family, etc. If it is true that he does in fact have CTE, can we really blame the individual for committing these deplorable acts, or should we place more blame on the actual game & society that created the conditions for him to sustain irreversible neurological degeneration?? It's no longer a question about whether or not there are long term residual effects of participating in football or other collision sports-the answer is pretty much irrefutable at this pt. The more important question to ask is why does this society have such an insatiable appetite for gratuitous violence & gladiatorial bloodsports?
 
craval85 said:
So many judgemental pieces of **** in this dyck sucking fanbase. The same individuals who once upon a time wanted to literally suck the c*m out of K2's dyck, are the same individuals who are currently saying he should die in prison, given the death penalty, & assassinating his character/family, etc. If it is true that he does in fact have CTE, can we really blame the individual for committing these deplorable acts, or should we place more blame on the actual game & society that created the conditions for him to sustain irreversible neurological degeneration?? It's no longer a question about whether or not there are long term residual effects of participating in football or other collision sports-the answer is pretty much irrefutable at this pt. The more important question to ask is why does this society have such an insatiable appetite for gratuitous violence & gladiatorial bloodsports?
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Who should we blame then? Maybe the teenager he raped?
 
CaneOil said:
Who should we blame then? Maybe the teenager he raped?
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Blaming K2 is not going to undue the deplorable acts that he committed, nor is it going to prevent similar incidents from occurring in the future. My pt was that we should at least place the blame where it rightfully belongs, and not view this situation in isolation or in a vacuum. To understand why this individual committed those acts, it requires a deeper/thorough analysis.
 
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craval85 said:
Blaming K2 is not going to undue the deplorable acts that he committed, nor is it going to prevent similar incidents from occurring in the future. My pt was that we should at least place the blame where it rightfully belongs, and not view this situation in isolation or in a vacuum. To understand why this individual committed the acts that he did, it requires a deeper/thorough analysis.
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Maybe if that was your sister or mother you'd feel the same as I do. I don't give two ***** why he did it, if he's guilty take him out back and put a bullet in his head. That prevents him from doing it again. You want to cut his head open before we shoot him fine with me.
 
CaneOil said:
Maybe if that was your sister or mother you'd feel the same as I do. I don't give two ***** why he did it, if he's guilty take him out back and put a bullet in his head. That prevents him from doing it again. You want to cut his head open before we shoot him fine with me.
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And thats precisely why problems in this POS society never actually get addressed. All we do is address symptoms-not the actual underlying issue. Kill K2..there's 100 other K2s right behind him
 
craval85 said:
And thats precisely why problems in this POS society never actually get addressed. All we do is address symptoms-not the actual underlying issue. Kill K2..there's 100 other K2s right behind him
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The piece of **** society you talk about is, we are too easy on violent criminals. One way to eliminate the problem people, put a bullet in their head, they won't breed again. You actually think you are going to fix people like him? Ever seen what's in our mental institutions? When I was 25 or so I did a favor for a friend that owned a concrete cutting company. We did a job in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgewater_State_Hospital. They take some of these people out of Walpole prison because the prisoners were afraid of them. It's the worst prison in MA or was. I have never seen anything like this in my life. Each one I witnessed is burned into my brain. You think you can fix these mental cases? You let them out they will kill within a day. Wake up, we need to put these people to sleep instead of wasting money on them.

You wouldn't believe the **** I saw in two days of being there. The real problem is people like you who think they can fix people. They just get out and do it again. Fix the problem, they are the problem. They need to be put in a box. **** some people are so stupid.

This is the place they put the Boston Strangler. Watch the movie, think you can fix him too? SMH.
 
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CaneOil said:
The piece of **** society you talk about is, we are too easy on violent criminals. One way to eliminate the problem people, put a bullet in their head, they won't breed again. You actually think you are going to fix people like him? Ever seen what's in our mental institutions? When I was 25 or so I did a favor for a friend that owned a concrete cutting company. We did a job in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgewater_State_Hospital. They take some of these people out of Walpole prison because the prisoners were afraid of them. It's the worst prison in MA or was. I have never seen anything like this in my life. each one I witnessed is burned into my brain. You think you can fix these mental cases? You let them out they will kill within a day. Wake up, we need to put these people to sleep instead of wasting money on them.

You wouldn't believe the **** I say in two days of being there. The real problem is people like you who think they can fix people. They just get out and do it again. Fix the problem, they are the problem. They need to be put in a box. **** some people are so stupid.
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You're not understanding. I'm talking about society's role in directly creating a mental health crisis and a population that is mentally irregular. Very few individuals who are actually clinically insane were born that way-that's a very small percentage. How sick & twisted do you have to be to suggest that all deranged individuals should be killed? The same individuals that this POS society helped create in the 1st place. You're under the false impression that you can address a mental health crisis by removing deranged individuals from the population. You can not. Attempting to do so is like playing a game of "whack a mole". It is inevitable that a subset of the population will end up being mentally deranged, when the society at large is just as sick.
 
Tad Footeball said:
Yes, I do. Like I said, it seems like prosecutors/state attorney offices are more concerned with ending cases, not going to trial and chalking up convictions and conviction rates than actual justice.

You find it appropriate that someone can face a range of incarceration from only 12 years or all the way up to life because plea deals are relied on so heavily?
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12 year plea is a great result. He a;ready beat cases so it’s an incredible deal.
 
craval85 said:
You're not understanding. I'm talking about society's role in directly creating a mental health crisis and a population that is mentally irregular. Very few individuals who are actually clinically insane were born that way-that's a very small percentage. How sick & twisted do you have to be to suggest that all deranged individuals should be killed? The same individuals that this POS society helped create in the 1st place. You're under the false impression that you can address a mental health crisis by removing deranged individuals from the population. You can not. Attempting to do so is like playing a game of "whack a mole". It is inevitable that a subset of the population will end up being mentally deranged, when the society at large is just as sick.
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**** off. If you are doing **** like Winslow you don’t deserve to be a part of any society. Your “sick society” take is bull****. You live in one of the most charitable and decent societies in the history man.
 
craval85 said:
You're not understanding. I'm talking about society's role in directly creating a mental health crisis and a population that is mentally irregular. Very few individuals who are actually clinically insane were born that way-that's a very small percentage. How sick & twisted do you have to be to suggest that all deranged individuals should be killed? The same individuals that this POS society helped create in the 1st place. You're under the false impression that you can address a mental health crisis by removing deranged individuals from the population. You can not. Attempting to do so is like playing a game of "whack a mole". It is inevitable that a subset of the population will end up being mentally deranged, when the society at large is just as sick.
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So where does the blame belong? From your earlier post it seems you’re suggesting that the game of football and society’s demand for the game of football are to blame.
 
craval85 said:
You're not understanding. I'm talking about society's role in directly creating a mental health crisis and a population that is mentally irregular. Very few individuals who are actually clinically insane were born that way-that's a very small percentage. How sick & twisted do you have to be to suggest that all deranged individuals should be killed? The same individuals that this POS society helped create in the 1st place. You're under the false impression that you can address a mental health crisis by removing deranged individuals from the population. You can not. Attempting to do so is like playing a game of "whack a mole". It is inevitable that a subset of the population will end up being mentally deranged, when the society at large is just as sick.
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Yup it's societies fault that a nutjob rapes or kills someone. Sorry pall go back to your liberal college that screwed you over and ask for your money back. The people I saw can never be let out if you saw how many guards it took to move one prisoner you'd call me a liar. Some were like crazed Veggies. You might think it's a good thing by keeping them locked up for life I don't. I don't care who is clinically insane or not. If you kill someone, hurt kids, rape woman put a bullet in their head. Visit Bridgewaters insane section and get back to me.

If you remove that deranged people who hurt others from the population they can't breed or hurt anyone again, ever. These guys in the mental institution were beyond crazy, most of them were murderers. There are people who are off that never hurt anyone those are not the ones I'm talking about. They had many walk in walk out people like that there, that never hurt a fly.

You sure and **** can cut the brutal crimes by killing the bad people instead of letting them out to do the same thing again like we do now. Yup it's all societies fault that people rape kids and kill people, get a life. I'll take the whack a mole choice, the less on the streets the better. Sure and **** would cut down on the problem. Maybe you could take a few of these nuts back to your house and fix them let us all know how that works out. We'll be reading about you in online news.
 
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Tad Footeball said:
www.espn.com

Winslow Jr. pleads guilty to rape, sexual battery

Former NFL player Kellen Winslow Jr. pleaded guilty Monday to raping an unconscious teen and sexual battery involving a 54-year-old hitchhiker. In exchange for his plea, the court agreed to sentence him to between 12 and 18 years in prison.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

Gonna go away for 12 to 18 years.

He's obviously not right in the head and very well could be guilty of a bunch of this but it also seems like some lazy and/or incompetent work by these prosecutors.

If I'm one of the potential victims from the cases they dropped so he'd take this deal then I'm beyond ****ed. If I'm Winslow and actually innocent then I'm beyond ****ed that it was this or possibly life and them proceeding with cases they were so willing to drop.

I just play a lawyer on tv but it seems like wayyyyy too much of our judicial system is just about wrapping cases up and not about actual justice or even proceeding all the way through the system with actual trials.
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Tad that's all it's about.. my lawyer told me if the evidence is weak they offer plea deals especially if they didn't wanna fly witnesses in and do all that extra stuff.

He definitely has some mental health issues. Sad story for a guy who has so much passion playing for Miami.
 
We the Boss said:
**** off. If you are doing **** like Winslow you don’t deserve to be a part of any society. Your “sick society” take is bull****. You live in one of the most charitable and decent societies in the history man.
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Most charitable & decent society in history?? LMAO..GTFOH. I guess in the land of the blind, a man with one eye is king.
 
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craval85 said:
So many judgemental pieces of **** in this dyck sucking fanbase. The same individuals who once upon a time wanted to literally suck the c*m out of K2's dyck, are the same individuals who are currently saying he should die in prison, given the death penalty, & assassinating his character/family, etc. If it is true that he does in fact have CTE, can we really blame the individual for committing these deplorable acts, or should we place more blame on the actual game & society that created the conditions for him to sustain irreversible neurological degeneration?? It's no longer a question about whether or not there are long term residual effects of participating in football or other collision sports-the answer is pretty much irrefutable at this pt. The more important question to ask is why does this society have such an insatiable appetite for gratuitous violence & gladiatorial bloodsports?
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One of the rapes he is convicted of took place in the summer of 2003. Good try.
 
ddann said:
So where does the blame belong? From your earlier post it seems you’re suggesting that the game of football and society’s demand for the game of football are to blame.
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Where to place the blame depends on whether you're interested in actually solving the underlying issue, or mere symptoms. I'm not suggesting that K2 shouldn't be punished for his actions: he should be, but at the same time it's also not that simple or cut & dry
 
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