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Winslow Jr. Takes a Plea Deal

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Manuel Diez said:
How would “actual justice” be served?
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If a plea is offered then it should've been 25+ years IF you're also willing threaten to take someone to trial with life on the table. You can't be both comfortable with locking someone up for life AND just potentially locking them up for only 12 years.

Again, I have an issue with prosecutors more intent on not going to trial and cutting deals and hitting conviction rates numbers to advance their own careers than doing what the public mistakenly thinks they do- arguing cases in actual court.
 
Needs to get help.. or not. Meh
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itsacanething said:
which is totally crazy. he played for miami in 2003 and was drafted i guess that year. kid must be sick in the head and i doubt it is all CTE related.
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yeah, well i saw one place where they tried to say UM may have known (personally, thats a stretch since it happened in SD not in miami, but could there be more in Miami during his time at UM). the stuff that came out from his time in the pros is insane, with him watching **** in the middle of the locker room to guys not wanting to room with him bc he couldnt stop beating it.
 
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Anyone who hurts children should be put down I just can't stop those feelings I have about this. We have to protect kids period!!!! No second chances!
 
Tad Footeball said:
Yes, I do. Like I said, it seems like prosecutors/state attorney offices are more concerned with ending cases, not going to trial and chalking up convictions and conviction rates than actual justice.

You find it appropriate that someone can face a range of incarceration from only 12 years or all the way up to life because plea deals are relied on so heavily?
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Sorry to disagree but as a former prosecutor on Atlanta of murder and *** crimes, when you have an opportunity for a plea deal that you believe is appropriate for the crime you take it. Of course this decision takes into account the quality of the evidence and relevant law. And remember that with a plea there is no appeal, no mistrial.
Prosecutors cannot take every meaningful case to trial as there are not enough weeks in the year or enough judges. So a good deal is just that; a good deal. Of course we can double the number of prosecutors and judges and dramatically raise our taxes in the process.
Hard to understand this type of pragmatic analysis if you haven’t had to make the decisions.
 
Tad Footeball said:
IF he's guilty of half of this stuff do we really want him alive and on the streets in 12 or 15 years? There's not really "rehabilitation" for this kind of stuff- especially in prison. That's part of my problem with this whole plea deal. He's either innocent and being threatened into accepting it because life is on the table or he's guilty and he'll be out (if he survives prison) and still young enough to be a real threat to society.
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Agreed. No I don't want him out. Dude has always been sick and crazy.
 
Tad Footeball said:
If a plea is offered then it should've been 25+ years IF you're also willing threaten to take someone to trial with life on the table. You can't be both comfortable with locking someone up for life AND just potentially locking them up for only 12 years.

Again, I have an issue with prosecutors more intent on not going to trial and cutting deals and hitting conviction rates numbers to advance their own careers than doing what the public mistakenly thinks they do- arguing cases in actual court.
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Tad Footeball said:
www.espn.com

Winslow Jr. pleads guilty to rape, sexual battery

Former NFL player Kellen Winslow Jr. pleaded guilty Monday to raping an unconscious teen and sexual battery involving a 54-year-old hitchhiker. In exchange for his plea, the court agreed to sentence him to between 12 and 18 years in prison.
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Gonna go away for 12 to 18 years.

He's obviously not right in the head and very well could be guilty of a bunch of this but it also seems like some lazy and/or incompetent work by these prosecutors.

If I'm one of the potential victims from the cases they dropped so he'd take this deal then I'm beyond ****ed. If I'm Winslow and actually innocent then I'm beyond ****ed that it was this or possibly life and them proceeding with cases they were so willing to drop.

I just play a lawyer on tv but it seems like wayyyyy too much of our judicial system is just about wrapping cases up and not about actual justice or even proceeding all the way through the system with actual trials.
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Tad Footeball said:
Yes, I do. Like I said, it seems like prosecutors/state attorney offices are more concerned with ending cases, not going to trial and chalking up convictions and conviction rates than actual justice.

You find it appropriate that someone can face a range of incarceration from only 12 years or all the way up to life because plea deals are relied on so heavily?
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What makes you think this was about conviction rates? The jury couldn’t decide on the 2003 charges (among others) and would have had to try this whole case again. Is it improper for the prosecution to consider the risk recalling witnesses (and worrying about their inconsistent statements) and seating a less favorable jury? Is it improper for the prosecution to consider the cost benefit of retrying the case?

These are tough cases to prosecute.
 
Manuel Diez said:
What makes you think this was about conviction rates? The jury couldn’t decide on the 2003 charges (among others) and would have had to try this whole case again. Is it improper for the prosecution to consider the risk recalling witnesses (and worrying about their inconsistent statements) and seating a less favorable jury? Is it improper for the prosecution to consider the cost benefit of retrying the case?

These are tough cases to prosecute.
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Tad Football has never prosecuted rape cases and will never understand how emotionally difficult it is for a witness/victim to testify, and how demoralizing it is when a jury does not convict. It can be destructive to the witness/victim
 
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