Tad Footeball
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Will the SEC follow suit?
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KANE
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I was about to post the same thing. Ole buddy did go on to say more about his flag, "As a national emblem it (the Confederate flag) is significant of our higher cause, the cause of a superior race." Case closed.
Tad Footeball
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All of this "heritage" and "historical significance" nonsense flies out the window real fast when one realizes that a tonnnnn of these Confederate statues were only put up between 1900-1960 AS political/racial statements during Jim Crow segregation and as a reaction to the Civil Rights Movement. The same can even be said of that flag being integrated in state governments in places like South Carolina and Georgia in the late 1950's and early 1960's. The real memorials and statues for actual Confederate soldiers constructed immediately after the war were mostly all in cemeteries.
Excuse me now. I'm gassing this up so I can be on my way to Tala-digga to be first to volunteer to be part of the track-site flag confiscation force. Every Stars & Bars I take from atop Duane Bob and Tammy's RV will include a complimentary "F*ck the SEC and George Wallace too".
Excuse me now. I'm gassing this up so I can be on my way to Tala-digga to be first to volunteer to be part of the track-site flag confiscation force. Every Stars & Bars I take from atop Duane Bob and Tammy's RV will include a complimentary "F*ck the SEC and George Wallace too".
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When was the First Amendment ever sacred?
1LuvCane
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Ain't that the truth.....
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I don’t care about Yad Vashem’s policy. Why would I? I’m not comparing the ****** Holocaust to the treatment of Blacks, or Native Americans, in the United States. It’s not an ‘ouch’ contest.
I’m asking if it’s possible to look at Civil War monuments commemorating the Confederacy, i.e. the Losers, as ways to remember what should never be allowed to happen again.
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We have one in town that was put up after the war by an association of widows of confederate soldiers as a memorial. All paid through private money. I understand a lot of this rubs people the wrong way.
Don't have any issues with local townships deciding legislatively what to do with these old monuments that people find offensive. But some of this "woke" attitude to just raze all of it is Taliban type ****.
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There you have it.
People coming out against the first amendment.
God, this place is a sewer.
Tetragrammaton Cane
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His comment doesn’t come out against the first amendment, yours might just.
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Statues are monuments of honor. Unless you emblazon never do this again on every statue there is no way to interpret these men as the losers by looking at them. They are usually on horses with swords drawn or looking majestically east. How would someone who never visited this country know by looking at these monuments that these men were traitors who fought against American ideals?
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This question is so either A) Clueless or B) Disingenuous, I'm not going to even bother responding.
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I don't read his comment as "coming out against the First Amendment".
First, I think he is commenting on unequal application.
Second, there have been plenty of Supreme Court cases over the past 200+ years that have, actually, placed reasonable limitations on First Amendment rights.
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I am not for the flag either, but I am also not for everyone being such a whiny little bi**h and being offended about everything. My god, don't like it, don't watch!
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Nah.. An OJ statue is what would really ruffle feathers.I'm trying to imagine how those hellbent on defending confederacy idols would feel if they they had to drive past something like a Farrakhan statue everyday then when they talk about how he represents racism I give em the ol'and nothing ever gets done
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It's so funny to read some of the defenses of racist imagery and "heritage" from the MAGA mob.
Allow me to review some of the interesting things I have learned.
---The notably racist/former Confederate soldier Florida governor who added the Southern cross/St. Andrews cross to the Florida flag (around the same time that multiple other former Confederate states integrated Confederate symbols into their state flags), was TRYING TO HONOR SPAIN AND THE PERIOD OF SPANISH COLONIZATION. Because, you know, Florida just LOOOOOVED the Hispanics in 1900.
---Cheap zinc statues in public squares of nameless soldiers (not, you know, actual people like Robert E. Lee or Jefferson Davis) that have nameplates like "Silent Sentinel" or "In memory of the boys who wore gray" are actually the EXACT EQUIVALENT of going to a museum, and were erected in the South by southerners solely to warn themselves to NEVER AGAIN own slaves or kill other Americans over the right to own slaves, and are completely unrelated to the Lost Cause mythology or the sentiment of "the South will rise again". For over 100 years, these Confederate monuments have gently reminded Southerners that they were wrong, and boy have Southerners gotten that message.
---The best defense to a subsequent accusation that "your motives were racist" is simply TO NOT WRITE ****E DOWN. Because, you know, if you just don't record the words "we are changing the Florida flag to honor the Confederacy", then nobody will ever be able to prove it or accuse you. I know this to be true, because people have convinced me that the Confederate states seceded over "states rights" and "economic issues" and "unfair taxation", and nowhere did any of the Confederate states ever record that their true intent in seceding was to maintain slavery. Wait, what? Confederate states did actually say that they were seceding because of slavery? Oh, that must be the product of some "historian" revising history 100 years later. The South didn't even have the internet in 1861, so the statements that they seceded because of slavery must be fake news.
---There is no way to stop any momentum, and we should all be terrified of the slippery slope. After all, if we remove 1,500 cheap zinc statues of soldiers who fought in a losing battle, how long will it be until all libraries are burned to the ground and the internet is deleted? I mean, come on, when we allowed former slaves and women the right to vote, we all knew it would eventually lead to dogs and cats voting too. Where does it stop? When does anything stop? Tearing down cheap Confederate statues is like eating potato chips, we will just keep on going.
Interesting lessons.
Look, this isn't that complicated. I first learned that the Florida flag has a cross to honor the Confederacy when I was a kid. Not because I read it from some historian, but because some rednecks where I lived pointed it out to me with great pride.
The history of Southern revisionism and Lost Cause myth-building from 1865 to the present day is well-documented. If some want to deny that, and claim that everything from the past 150+ years is pure coincidence, then consider the source and the motivation.
Allow me to review some of the interesting things I have learned.
---The notably racist/former Confederate soldier Florida governor who added the Southern cross/St. Andrews cross to the Florida flag (around the same time that multiple other former Confederate states integrated Confederate symbols into their state flags), was TRYING TO HONOR SPAIN AND THE PERIOD OF SPANISH COLONIZATION. Because, you know, Florida just LOOOOOVED the Hispanics in 1900.
---Cheap zinc statues in public squares of nameless soldiers (not, you know, actual people like Robert E. Lee or Jefferson Davis) that have nameplates like "Silent Sentinel" or "In memory of the boys who wore gray" are actually the EXACT EQUIVALENT of going to a museum, and were erected in the South by southerners solely to warn themselves to NEVER AGAIN own slaves or kill other Americans over the right to own slaves, and are completely unrelated to the Lost Cause mythology or the sentiment of "the South will rise again". For over 100 years, these Confederate monuments have gently reminded Southerners that they were wrong, and boy have Southerners gotten that message.
---The best defense to a subsequent accusation that "your motives were racist" is simply TO NOT WRITE ****E DOWN. Because, you know, if you just don't record the words "we are changing the Florida flag to honor the Confederacy", then nobody will ever be able to prove it or accuse you. I know this to be true, because people have convinced me that the Confederate states seceded over "states rights" and "economic issues" and "unfair taxation", and nowhere did any of the Confederate states ever record that their true intent in seceding was to maintain slavery. Wait, what? Confederate states did actually say that they were seceding because of slavery? Oh, that must be the product of some "historian" revising history 100 years later. The South didn't even have the internet in 1861, so the statements that they seceded because of slavery must be fake news.
---There is no way to stop any momentum, and we should all be terrified of the slippery slope. After all, if we remove 1,500 cheap zinc statues of soldiers who fought in a losing battle, how long will it be until all libraries are burned to the ground and the internet is deleted? I mean, come on, when we allowed former slaves and women the right to vote, we all knew it would eventually lead to dogs and cats voting too. Where does it stop? When does anything stop? Tearing down cheap Confederate statues is like eating potato chips, we will just keep on going.
Interesting lessons.
Look, this isn't that complicated. I first learned that the Florida flag has a cross to honor the Confederacy when I was a kid. Not because I read it from some historian, but because some rednecks where I lived pointed it out to me with great pride.
The history of Southern revisionism and Lost Cause myth-building from 1865 to the present day is well-documented. If some want to deny that, and claim that everything from the past 150+ years is pure coincidence, then consider the source and the motivation.
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So you're suggesting that rednecks are a good source for accurate information?
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You can't be this big of a dunce. I've never watched one second or even heard of this show before this week.
It's the fact that TV show was canceled 100% because of a knee jerk reaction to a small, perpetually outraged mob who is now deciding what other people can see. Last month they ordered 160 episodes, today it's gone.
"Don't like it, don't watch it" is dead. It's now become "If I don't like it, you can't watch it.".
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