Will the SEC follow suit?

[1LuvCane]

Flag of 1st Spanish period in Florida.

 

[Salt]

Private entities can (and should) do whatever they want. I'm not for bans, but I'm not for flying the flag either. I also think the flag is a relic, but can understand why some don't care for it.

it’s that pesky 2nd amendment thing that protects speech, even if symbolic. Once you start down that road of banning everything that may offend you, they may start going after your speech too.

 

[Brains]

I don't see many flags flying anymore, and it actually has made it more noticeable when someone does. Less than 5% of Americans (probably less than 1%) even know what Lost Cause mythology is anymore. The only people I see flying it anymore are dudes in trucks who want to let you know that they think it's cool to be a redneck.

It definitely does not represent "heritage." Southern heritage is far better represented by fishing, barbecue, and football.

 

[Brains]

Flag of 1st Spanish period in Florida.

That's a Spanish imperial flag.

 

[1LuvCane]

That's a Spanish imperial flag.

Call it what you want. Its America....

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I don't see many flags flying anymore, and it actually has made it more noticeable when someone does. Less than 5% of Americans (probably less than 1%) even know what Lost Cause mythology is anymore. The only people I see flying it anymore are dudes in trucks who want to let you know that they think it's cool to be a redneck.

It definitely does not represent "heritage." Southern heritage is far better represented by fishing, barbecue, and football.

There’s a knucklehead that posts here that wholly subscribes that lost cause mythology. I’m not going to say who it is because I don’t wanna start any shlt.

 

[IndayArtHauz]

Mods are alseep at the wheel.

Wide awake, friend. Which part of this conversation are you afraid of?

 

[AtlAtty]

I’ve never understood how it was ever acceptable to fly that flag. Aside from what it means to blacks - oppression, slavery etc., it is the flag of traitors and represents a rebellion against this country. If you love this country how could you like this flag ?

And don’t tell me it isn’t the confederate flag. Ok it wasn’t the actual flag of the CSA. It still represents the confederacy or confederate army.

The flag represents southern heritage that stood up to the northern invaders in the battle of northern aggression. The entire purpose of the war of northern aggression was to destroy God's natural order. Whites at the top, and all mongrel, subservient races below.
Yes it is true that the flag fell out of favor until 1954 when the liberal supreme court enacted the worst decision in its history integrating schools. But since 1954 the flag has given southerners pride that their way of harmonic life between slave and master, each where God placed them, did not make southerners inferior.
And now the great pride that swells in southerners over seeing the flag flown is being rekindled yet again by the true elected leader in Washington. So whereas the liberals can stop us from flying our flag at our church (Nascar), they can not stopping us from wearing our MAGA hats. Because our president will never allow that to happen. And if the liberals try to steal his rightful place as our president in November, we will fly our flags, wear our hats and take what is rightfully ours just like our proud brothers in Brunswick, Georgia.

 

[JD08]

Lastly, some historians see the addition of a red saltire as a commemoration of Florida's contributions to the Confederacy by Governor Fleming, who served in the 2nd Florida Regiment of the Confederate army.[9] The addition was made during a period of nostalgia for the "Lost Cause" around the time of the flag's change.[10][11] According to historian John M. Coski, the adoption of Florida's flag coincided with the rise of Jim Crow laws and segregation,[12] as other former Confederate slave states, such as Mississippi and Alabama, also adopted new state flags around the same time when those states instituted Jim Crow segregation laws themselves:[12]

That's revisionist history entirely based on nothing but opinion. There is no valid connection whatsoever. In no documentation anywhere did any of the people who put that in place suggest any connection to the Confederacy.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

That's revisionist history entirely based on nothing but opinion. There is no valid connection whatsoever. In no documentation anywhere did any of the people who put that in place suggest any connection to the Confederacy.

You don’t know that. Several historians > JD08 opinion.

You’re doing your apologist/closet winger thing again.

 

[Brains]

There’s a knucklehead that posts here that wholly subscribes that lost cause mythology. I’m not going to say who it is because I don’t wanna start any shlt.

I've read a ****load of Southern history in my life, have a history degree, and have been to many a landmark. That stupid war set the region back decades and, then, as if to say "Hold my beer," Jim Crow got installed. It was a social and economic disaster, as if this needs to be said.

So as I've said, the flag won't keep me up at night, but I certainly would never fly it. And I think those who do should really rethink the idea that it has any positive connotation.

 

[JD08]

You don’t know that. Several historians > JD08 opinion.

You’re doing your apologist/closet winger thing again.

If you've got anything other than opinion of people 100 years after the fact, I'm all ears.

Closet winger = doesn't acknowledge my version of truth.

 

[SayWhat]

it’s that pesky 2nd amendment thing that protects speech, even if symbolic. Once you start down that road of banning everything that may offend you, they may start going after your speech too.

Agree with that and the guy you quoted.

I just think to myself when all of this started, or at least it came on my radar. A decade or so ago with team names and mascots.

Since that time, many things have changed. Historical monuments are under attack throughout the nation, many having been removed.

I understand the reasoning, but I have to ask myself when does it all stop? I would rather people learn from history, see how far things have changed, and use it as an example of why things should never go back that way.

Europe is littered with historical items and figures that aren't viewed in a good light. Nobody is suggesting they go back to that period of time. Should they remove it all as well?

The minority in this country that would suggest slavery should be an option today are few and far between. Most of the dumbasses that would suggest such have no idea of history or the historical figure in question.

We've become so soft as a nation. I do believe we have a long way to go in some things, but the removal of history you aren't comfortable with isn't going to fix it. I would rather point at the dumbass flying that flag and know what he stands for rather than it be undercover. That's just me though.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

If you've got anything other than opinion of people 100 years after the fact, I'm all ears.

Closet winger = doesn't acknowledge my version of truth.

Nope closet winger = closet winger.

the link you cite is no more “accurate“.

 

[1LuvCane]

Well it's Wednesday, its race night. Im grabbing some cold brews ans smoking a fst joint. Cheering for whatever Ford team is close to the lead. Yee haww, *******....

 

[Brains]

That's revisionist history entirely based on nothing but opinion. There is no valid connection whatsoever. In no documentation anywhere did any of the people who put that in place suggest any connection to the Confederacy.

You don’t know that. Several historians > JD08 opinion.

You’re doing your apologist/closet winger thing again.

You're both overstating your position. Without the state seal, the flag is literally St. Andrew's cross in white and red. The red bars were added to Florida's flag after the war. The historians do not make a definitive conclusion as to why they were added. The speculation that is may have confederate commemoration comes from the timing and the design, but not from primary sources. There is nothing in the law, for instance, that makes reference to such commemoration.

Make of that what you will. I can understand why someone could believe the addition of the bars was more than just aesthetically motivated, but I don't think either side is winning summary judgment on that one.

 

[JD08]

Agree with that and the guy you quoted.

I just think to myself when all of this started, or at least it came on my radar. A decade or so ago with team names and mascots.

Since that time, many things have changed. Historical monuments are under attack throughout the nation, many having been removed.

I understand the reasoning, but I have to ask myself when does it all stop? I would rather people learn from history, see how far things have changed, and use it as an example of why things should never go back that way.

Europe is littered with historical items and figures that aren't viewed in a good light. Nobody is suggesting they go back to that period of time. Should they remove it all as well?

The minority in this country that would suggest slavery should be an option today are few and far between. Most of the dumbasses that would suggest such have no idea of history or the historical figure in question.

We've become so soft as a nation. I do believe we have a long way to go in some things, but the removal of history you aren't comfortable with isn't going to fix it. I would rather point at the dumbass flying that flag and know what he stands for rather than it be undercover. That's just me though.

Actually, protesters are destroying statues in England in the last few weeks.

It's funny. I remember seeing a monument to some Civil War somebody when I was a little kid just after learning what it was. My thoughts were wondering how things could ever get so bad that families would fight against each other and be willing to kill fellow Americans. Then I see some of the hate people spew today and I wonder.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

You're both overstating your position. Without the state seal, the flag is literally St. Andrew's cross in white and red. The red bars were added to Florida's flag after the war. The historians do not make a definitive conclusion as to why they were added. The speculation that is may have confederate commemoration comes from the timing and the design, but not from primary sources. There is nothing in the law, for instance, that makes reference to such commemoration.

Make of that what you will. I can understand why someone could believe the addition of the bars was more than just aesthetically motivated, but I don't think either side is winning summary judgment on that one.

I actually agree with you and only provided a different opinion (of a historian) - without commenting. Our brother JD always reflexively defends these types of “lost causes”.

 

[Brains]

Agree with that and the guy you quoted.

I just think to myself when all of this started, or at least it came on my radar. A decade or so ago with team names and mascots.

Since that time, many things have changed. Historical monuments are under attack throughout the nation, many having been removed.

I understand the reasoning, but I have to ask myself when does it all stop? I would rather people learn from history, see how far things have changed, and use it as an example of why things should never go back that way.

Europe is littered with historical items and figures that aren't viewed in a good light. Nobody is suggesting they go back to that period of time. Should they remove it all as well?

The minority in this country that would suggest slavery should be an option today are few and far between. Most of the dumbasses that would suggest such have no idea of history or the historical figure in question.

We've become so soft as a nation. I do believe we have a long way to go in some things, but the removal of history you aren't comfortable with isn't going to fix it. I would rather point at the dumbass flying that flag and know what he stands for rather than it be undercover. That's just me though.

I'm torn on this one. I don't want history buried and forgotten. Whitewashing the past doesn't purify it. At the same time, certain monuments shouldn't have been in the first place.

 

[SayWhat]

Actually, protesters are destroying statues in England in the last few weeks.

It's funny. I remember seeing a monument to some Civil War somebody when I was a little kid just after learning what it was. My thoughts were wondering how things could ever get so bad that families would fight against each other and be willing to kill fellow Americans. Then I see some of the hate people spew today and I wonder.

England is a powder keg of white nationalism movement. I didn't see that, but it doesn't surprise me.