Will Manny actually fire his staff?

[AboutTheU05]

He did not adjust after 700 running yards yesterday and you are expecting this beta to fire his core personal friendly staff? I hace a bridge to sell you..

It has nothing to do with my personal expectation. I see people here going off about it very directly saying what Manny should do..........I very simply and directly want to know what those same people think he WILL do.

 

[AlphaMarshan]

Disagree. Technique is HUGE and attitude is important but it’s brought together by a good S&C program. Not firing off the ball CAN BE IMPROVED by S&C. In fact, it’s the job of S&C. The reason why they “stand and wall…” is because they don’t have the hip strength from lifting from the floor (and possibly not squatting deep enough…which is a huge argument in itself).

- Jennings and McCloud are one part of a multifaceted problem. S&C is part of it, imo.
- A ”speed expert” would have to work in coordination with the S&C program.
- You probably don’t realize it but by saying, “we’re slow and lack explosion…” that’s the hallmark of a poorly designed program. Skilled positions need to be explosive. Not having it is an indictment.

Okay, I'll humor you:

Which - specifically - aspects of Feeley's programming do you take issue with, and which - specifically - S&C Coach would you like Miami to hire and why?

I'll grant you that running 300s or whatever it was probably isn't the best metric to use, so we can scratch that off.

 

[SayWhat]

It won't matter if he does. He will still believe his defense is the answer when it isn't.

 

[Lazarre]

It’s complicated because any dc that comes down here will want his own staff. Also has to have similar defensive philosophy 43/425 base. That limits most of viable options.

Charlie Strong

 

[BostonCanes47]

To his credit he has addressed every issue that has been identified under his tenure tenure. He has the benefit of the doubt IMO.

 

[Fbdr24]

I voted no but I don’t know why anyone would say this. He fired his OC after 1 season and the entire offensive staff the year before.

Because he had no connection to the offense, the defense are his boys. Thats why

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

Okay, I'll humor you:

Which - specifically - aspects of Feeley's programming do you take issue with, and which - specifically - S&C Coach would you like Miami to hire and why?

I'll grant you that running 300s or whatever it was probably isn't the best metric to use, so we can scratch that off.

Alpha…, I don’t know any “[specific] aspects of Feeley’s programming …”, but I do know what the result should look like if they’re properly employing power-based training concepts. Miami doesn’t look like that.

A better question: why do you believe that Feeley is highly effective and deserves to be retained?

 

[3GC]

What do politicians and preachers have in common?

Sheep..

 

[AlphaMarshan]

Alpha…, I don’t know any “[specific] aspects of Feeley’s programming …”, but I do know what the result should look like if they’re properly employing power-based training concepts. Miami doesn’t look like that.

A better question: why do you believe that Feeley is highly effective and deserves to be retained?

Don't shift the burden of proof to me, you're the one making the claim that he's a bum. I want you to tell me why.

And I know you don't know the specific aspects of his training, and quite frankly I don't either. What I can tell you is that I've held Mickey Marotti's (Director of S&C with Meyer at UF, Ohio State) periodization plan in my hands, worked through the program, and found it to be... meh. Nothing special. Covers most of the bases, but was a little too stuck in the sagittal plane for me, which isn't great when you're working with athletes who live and die by the ability to change direction. He now has 3 National Championships to his name and considered angelic in the CFB world.

The point I'm making is that top-tier athletes do the work for you, and Manny and his staff consistently bring in sub-optimal athletes, particularly on the line. When's the last time a 5-star OL out of high school came to Miami over Bama or UGA? We underperform because the Strength Coach can only do so much with the athletes given to him.

Do you think Amari Carter's issue is that he isn't hitting the gym hard enough? That his squat depth isn't good? That he doesn't train enough pulling from the floor? Or do you think maybe he looks slow and unathletic because, let's be real, he's just not a very good Safety. Ivey just isn't a very good DB. I get that their position coaches aren't helping but to blame Feeley because McCloud doesn't even know what sport he's playing is ludicrous.

Unless you have specific issues with aspects of Feeley's programming, which I would gladly take into consideration if you could provide examples, it's unfair to criticize him for our problems as much as it is to celebrate Clemson's Strength Coach for why Etienne is so good. The reality is their athletes are just better.

 

[OARG01_UM94]

It has nothing to do with my personal expectation. I see people here going off about it very directly saying what Manny should do..........I very simply and directly want to know what those same people think he WILL do.

He will not do anything or go out and get another follower

 

[Eric The Midget]

I expect him to replace Blake with Banda..
Mandys rolodex is very small.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

Don't shift the burden of proof to me, you're the one making the claim that he's a bum. I want you to tell me why.

And I know you don't know the specific aspects of his training, and quite frankly I don't either. What I can tell you is that I've held Mickey Marotti's (Director of S&C with Meyer at UF, Ohio State) periodization plan in my hands, worked through the program, and found it to be... meh. Nothing special. Covers most of the bases, but was a little too stuck in the sagittal plane for me, which isn't great when you're working with athletes who live and die by the ability to change direction. He now has 3 National Championships to his name and considered angelic in the CFB world.

The point I'm making is that top-tier athletes do the work for you, and Manny and his staff consistently bring in sub-optimal athletes, particularly on the line. When's the last time a 5-star OL out of high school came to Miami over Bama or UGA? We underperform because the Strength Coach can only do so much with the athletes given to him.

Do you think Amari Carter's issue is that he isn't hitting the gym hard enough? That his squat depth isn't good? That he doesn't train enough pulling from the floor? Or do you think maybe he looks slow and unathletic because, let's be real, he's just not a very good Safety. Ivey just isn't a very good DB. I get that their position coaches aren't helping but to blame Feeley because McCloud doesn't even know what sport he's playing is ludicrous.

Unless you have specific issues with aspects of Feeley's programming, which I would gladly take into consideration if you could provide examples, it's unfair to criticize him for our problems as much as it is to celebrate Clemson's Strength Coach for why Etienne is so good. The reality is their athletes are just better.

Obviously, I can’t rebut who has better athletes between OSU and Miami…but when Miami has “better” athletes relative to competition, you don’t see the degree to which they’re better.

I get it, you’re defensive of a department where you once worked, and you want to show me how much you know, but like your assessment of Marotti “…too stuck in the sagittal plane” but “leaching” off of Meyer’s coaching success there are ample examples of coaches who have taken athletes considered lesser than Meyers stock and returned tremendous results — even if the respective team didn’t win a Championship trophy. Championship trophies are not necessarily the measuring stick and you know it.

Also, and this is key, if you’re looking at the program on paper, then you could be missing the essence of the program. Technique matters, as all coaches don’t pay enough attention to it — doing the work, but not achieving the necessary response. Even if load was measured to the gram and rest to the milliseconds … there’s a ton more that he could be doing that you’re NOT seeing on that paper in his hand that you regard as “meh”.

If you think that top-tiered athletes “…do the work for you” then you’re in the wrong business (hopefully I’m not taking you out of context and this is a general statement) or stealing from the people paying you. Thinking that … should be a fireable offense. Specific to Carter … could definitely be his uptake from position coaching, but if Feeley can’t make them quicker/stronger (but for the gifts provided by their parents), why’s he there?

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

Also, in this day and age, S&C doesn’t apply, it should be power and movement.

 

[Antcane]

He might fire Baker and have Banda as DC. That’s about it.

Thats my vote but Banda and Stroud co DC Parker back coaching lbers

 

[Golsen82]

What do politicians and preachers have in common?

There usually caught with underage boys?

 

[AlphaMarshan]

Obviously, I can’t rebut who has better athletes between OSU and Miami…but when Miami has “better” athletes relative to competition, you don’t see the degree to which they’re better.

The 2001 and 2002 teams at UM are actually a great example of the degree to which better athletes wipe the floor with other athletes. There are still some weirdos on this board who defend Swasey, but they were actually that much better than the competition in spite of the S&C program here under him.

I get it, you’re defensive of a department where you once worked, and you want to show me how much you know, but like your assessment of Marotti “…too stuck in the sagittal plane” but “leaching” off of Meyer’s coaching success there are ample examples of coaches who have taken athletes considered lesser than Meyers stock and returned tremendous results — even if the respective team didn’t win a Championship trophy. Championship trophies are not necessarily the measuring stick and you know it.

First of all, I have no allegiance to the department only inasmuch at it's part of UM, which matters to me. I was as critical of Gus Felder as I was with Swasey. Secondly, I don't disagree with your point here but what I'm saying is that the Strength Coach's role in that process is more difficult to measure. The best, measurable, tangible contribution I can think of with a S&C program is Jim Radcliffe at Oregon being part of their 2010 championship run, where he was distinctly in charge of making their sub-SEC roster FAST. Speed was the name of the game and his entire program was dedicated to it, and they showed it on the field. And even then they couldn't get it done against Auburn, who simply had better athletes.

Also, and this is key, if you’re looking at the program on paper, then you could be missing the essence of the program. Technique matters, as all coaches don’t pay enough attention to it — doing the work, but not achieving the necessary response. Even if load was measured to the gram and rest to the milliseconds … there’s a ton more that he could be doing that you’re NOT seeing on that paper in his hand that you regard as “meh”.

The programming is the backbone of the S&C program. It is the CEO's business plan. Dependent variables measured after the fact aren't nearly as important as the programming. I can absolutely read over a coach's program goals planned out over the year and make a reasonable estimation on the Strength Coach's priorities. Of course technique is important.

If you think that top-tiered athletes “…do the work for you” then you’re in the wrong business (hopefully I’m not taking you out of context and this is a general statement) or stealing from the people paying you. Thinking that … should be a fireable offense.

If you think that top-tier athletes aren't the largest contributor to program success then I really don't know what else to tell you, only that you've never trained one. No S&C coach nor program can turn Dee Wiggins into Tyreek Hill.

Specific to Carter … could definitely be his uptake from position coaching, but if Feeley can’t make them quicker/stronger (but for the gifts provided by their parents), why’s he there?

This is actually a fair question, so I'll throw it back to you: What do you think is the number 1 priority of the S&C Coach?

 

[AlphaMarshan]

If you think that top-tiered athletes “…do the work for you” then you’re in the wrong business (hopefully I’m not taking you out of context and this is a general statement) or stealing from the people paying you.

Another thing I wanted to add really quickly here is that many times I actually did feel like I was stealing from parents.

I had a father call me and tell me he wanted me to train his son. When I met with him, he said, "This is Johnny, and we want him to play OLB for the University of Alabama!" Well, the trouble is that Johnny, as nice of a kid as he could be, was a 5'9 185lbs white kid from the suburbs.

What do you think I told him? "You got it. That's why they pay me the big bucks. I'm the best S&C coach around."

No. You and I both know that kid would never, EVER play OLB for Nick Saban. So I said what any reasonable coach would say: "Well sir, I can't promise you or your son anything, only that I can help him get stronger, improve his technique and work within the realm of his natural talents to make him a better football player." That honest answer wasn't good enough, so they went elsewhere, to a "guru" who, maybe similar to you, believed he really could get this kid to the next level. Spoiler: he didn't.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

If you think that top-tier athletes aren't the largest contributor to program success then I really don't know what else to tell you, only that you've never trained one. No S&C coach nor program can turn Dee Wiggins into Tyreek Hill.

This is actually a fair question, so I'll throw it back to you: What do you think is the number 1 priority of the S&C Coach?

We’re in agreement on the other stuff so let’s just deal with the last two paragraphs.

let me be clear, again (ignoring the dig…)… I’m not making an equivalence between say, Dee Wiggins and Tyreek Hill (who was a youth champion in Track), it would be silly for you to suggest that (dig back…maybe I didn’t ignore. lol). What I’m saying, and I know you agree, that the job of the “S&C” programming is to make Dee Wiggins … measurably better than Dee Wiggins. Yet we have kids who ”look” ( I know a bad metric) slower/smaller/less explosive after 3 years in the program. It’s easy to point to the physiques (again, the eye test) but im disappointed in Mallory’s development. He appears no faster/stronger/ explosive than high school. I actually think he’s regressed. I can’t blame the TE coach for that, nor Enos…

Number 1 priority is to make the athletes stronger/faster/quicker/more explosive versions of themselves prior to joining the S&C program. That’s why my made up nomenclature is power and movement, because those are the tools you need to be a successful athlete. (Stanford’s coach, I know you know about him, has a different program for every athlete; freshman spend the first year just learning in it…). And, that’s what I’m not seeing — even if Feeley is actually the best S&C coach respective to athlete in the nation at the college level.

 

[AlphaMarshan]

Number 1 priority is to make the athletes stronger/faster/quicker/more explosive versions of themselves prior to joining the S&C program. That’s why my made up nomenclature is power and movement, because those are the tools you need to be a successful athlete. (Stanford’s coach, I know you know about him, has a different program for every athlete; freshman spend the first year just learning in it…). And, that’s what I’m not seeing — even if Feeley is actually the best S&C coach respective to athlete in the nation at the college level.

So I'm going to admit that I set you up a little bit here. I don't mean to be disrespectful nor imply that you aren't competent in this world, but this a very common statement from people who aren't strength coaches, have no background in exercise physiology, and have no gold-standard certifications related to S&C (NSCA-CSCS, CSCCa-SCCC - pretty hard tests actually).

The number 1 priority of a S&C coach is to prevent injury. Period. Sure, yeah, we want our athletes to be stronger, faster, have great technique, have improved mobility, etc. But those are all secondary to injury prevention. You can't have guys running around on the field with non-contact ACL tears, blowing their knees out everywhere.

With new industry standards like the Functional Movement Screen, the S&C Coach more and more is responsible for identifying imbalances in an athlete and designing programs to "fix" issues that make them ticking timebombs on the field.

There was a season when Richt was at UGA and I swear to God half the team had ACL tears, hamstring strains, etc. I looked up the coach and he used to be their video guy at one point. Similar to Swasey: No education on this stuff and frankly, not willing to learn.

From what I've seen, coming from Felder, we've had no conditioning issues in the 4th quarter, and we've had an overwhelming reduction in non-contact (this is key) injuries like ligament tears and hamstring issues. I think Feeley is doing a really good job with what he's been given.

I respect you and I hope you haven't considered anything I've said to you as a dig or any kind of personal insult.

 

[1LuvCane]

Dont know exactly what will happen but replacing Faker with Banda definitely doesn't move the needle...