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Why the love for Art Kehoe? I don't get it...

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And Joaquin Gonzalez was a walk-on who ended up a 2-time All-American and I think was even drafted in the 7th round.

However, I still don't know what to think of him as a coach - and I've seen him since he first set foot on campus in the 80s.

There were some posts a long time ago (different website) that said that Butch wanted to fire Kehoe due to underperformance. I don't know if there is any truth to it or if it was merely an Internet rumor....

Out of the coaches currently on staff though, he's the only one I have any faith in - to some degree....

DMoney said:
Coach Macho said:
Who did Art "put in the pros" though?

Flowers, Henderson, Feliciano and Linder had offers from everybody coming out of high school.
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Highly-rated OL flop all the time. It's one of the most difficult positions to project out of high school. Most of the top guys in the league are three-stars.

Those guys had talent, but they still needed to be developed. As for underrated guys that Kehoe sent to the pros, guys like Bryant McKinnie and Chris Myers come to mind. Brett Romberg also played for many years. And plenty more became great college players.
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INCaneFan said:
DMoney said:
Coach Macho said:
It's what they do once they get to the NFL that reflects on the coaching.
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Linder, Seantrel and Flowers started from Day One, which reflects well on Kehoe.
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It does? That would suggest to me that he or the previous coach had a problem getting players for the position. He didn't fulfill needs previously, so you're starting a green player. Selling the potential to start also makes your recruiting easier, so that's a knock as well.
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Started from Day One in the NFL.

Woah, while the OL was good, I wouldn't put them anywhere near the top OL in history. Was that a typo, surely it was?
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I was referring to 2001. They didn't give up a sack until Game 8, which is unthinkable in a pro-style offense.
 
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DMoney said:
INCaneFan said:
DMoney said:
Coach Macho said:
It's what they do once they get to the NFL that reflects on the coaching.
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Linder, Seantrel and Flowers started from Day One, which reflects well on Kehoe.
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It does? That would suggest to me that he or the previous coach had a problem getting players for the position. He didn't fulfill needs previously, so you're starting a green player. Selling the potential to start also makes your recruiting easier, so that's a knock as well.
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Started from Day One in the NFL.

Woah, while the OL was good, I wouldn't put them anywhere near the top OL in history. Was that a typo, surely it was?
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I was referring to 2001. They didn't give up a sack until Game 8, which is unthinkable in a pro-style offense.
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I didn't realize all three did in the NFL. Seantrel, wasn't that due to an injury although he had been playing well obviously leading up to the season. I still crack up that people thought he was bad here, that was never the case.

So you're still sticking with the best OL ever in college football? We'll just agree to disagree.
 
INCaneFan said:
So you're still sticking with the best OL ever in college football? We'll just agree to disagree.
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I'm only 30, so take that opinion with a salt shaker. But they are the best I've seen in terms of pass protection, and they could also control the running game.
 
Fair enough D. They were solid and versatile no question. 95 Nebraska, the way they'd just blow people off the line, that's the OL that always sticks out in my mind. They weren't as versatile to me, not that they needed to be though.
 
DMoney said:
INCaneFan said:
DMoney said:
Coach Macho said:
It's what they do once they get to the NFL that reflects on the coaching.
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Linder, Seantrel and Flowers started from Day One, which reflects well on Kehoe.
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It does? That would suggest to me that he or the previous coach had a problem getting players for the position. He didn't fulfill needs previously, so you're starting a green player. Selling the potential to start also makes your recruiting easier, so that's a knock as well.
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Started from Day One in the NFL.

Woah, while the OL was good, I wouldn't put them anywhere near the top OL in history. Was that a typo, surely it was?
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I was referring to 2001. They didn't give up a sack until Game 8, which is unthinkable in a pro-style offense.
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That OL was huge and loaded with NFL talent. They were simply physically dominant. Not sure you can credit Kehoe for that. And they got their collective asses handed to them against OSU in the Fiasco bowl because Kehoe couldn't adjust to the stunts that OSU was bringing. The OP was spot on. He is incredibly overrated by our fan base. If he was really that good he would have had other job offers after he was fired.
 
Kehoe knows his way to the lunch line and dinner line i will give him that
futurecane said:
For some reason, posters here have a fascination with Art Kehoe. I don't get it.

Why retain him? He lives on the glory of his 2001 line, but when push comes to shove I don't grade his lines as "elite". ****, FCS teams still can pressure us, and we can't get any sort of trench domination/push in goal line situations.

Am I wrong? Totally off base? Looking for opinions...
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I really like Kehoe. Our OL isn't elite but it is solid with what we have talent wise/youth. But when/if Al is fired I say clean the house. Kehoe is a good dude, solid coach, etc but he is tainted by coaching under Golden and being a loser. Only members of the staff I would keep after Golden are Hurlie and Larry Scott. Scott because he is a good TE coach, good Nfla recruiter and Hurlie only if he moves to DB. KB & Ice would have to move back to administrative positions if they wanted to stay imo.
 
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At the end of the day, nobody here knows what Kehoe does or what he teaches. However, we do know that he's basically a UM lifer who's never been offered a bigger gig. Stoutland, on the other hand, went from coaching one of our best rushing offenses in UM history to the University of Alabama to the NFL. He also was the first one to coach the talented linemen that were currently have in the NFL.
 
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