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Why the love for Art Kehoe? I don't get it...

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For some reason, posters here have a fascination with Art Kehoe. I don't get it.

Why retain him? He lives on the glory of his 2001 line, but when push comes to shove I don't grade his lines as "elite". ****, FCS teams still can pressure us, and we can't get any sort of trench domination/push in goal line situations.

Am I wrong? Totally off base? Looking for opinions...
 
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well the original question is why the love for kehoe? and that is simple really. come on bro. Do I really have to say it? you know why the love
 
While we've seen some lines under perform under Kehoe (2013?), he gets deserved love for being a part of all 5 of our championship teams and for coaching up some questionable and cobbled together lines. Like our line this year. While the line isn't playing stellar, I think he's doing a helluva job with a young, inexperienced group. Only three sacks this year, I think.

Not to mention that he's the best rah-rah-Go-Canes coach we've ever had. And he's known as an OL legend, whether you believe it's a deserved title or not, so he's good for our OL recruiting.

I like the dude. It's just that the fish rots from the head down.
 
Because since returning to Miami, every OL he has coached has gotten better-some by a little and some by a lot.

He did a remarkable job with with Henderson, Feliciano, Horn, and Wheeler.
 
He's overrated. Our OL has historically underperformed in short yardage situations under Kehoe.

The success we have had in those situations results from our RBs Herculean efforts.
 
Cant remember the last time our OL was able to push the DL back on 3rd (or 4th) and short
- I want to thank Art what he contributed to the Canes and it is time to move forward
 
Maybe because he has a ring for each and every one of our 5NCs. Oline was never massive focus at Miami, Our lines were historically smaller than most(like the Dolphins in their peak) and relied more on technique than strength. I guess when you win NCs under four different HCs people get to liking you. Whatever his flaws, Art is the least of our problems on this staff.
 
Like the others said. A lot of our short yardage situations problems this year stem from playcalling too. I could have told you before the snap which gap Yearby was going to hit by formation alone. Coley telegraphs his playcalls in for everyone to see. No creativity. Look at the Cinci game. Every single time we went into pistol it was the same exact stupid stretch play and they blew it up nearly every time after the 3rd time seeing it.
 
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It doesn't matter if you, I, or anyone else likes Art. Only matters if Butch likes him. I'll roll with that.

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Somehow, a lot of those under his care end up starting as rookies on Sundays. Must be those minicamps.
 
timujian said:
Because since returning to Miami, every OL he has coached has gotten better-some by a little and some by a lot.

He did a remarkable job with with Henderson, Feliciano, Horn, and Wheeler.
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He's generally gotten guys that had other big offers.

My problem with Art is his players here are some of the worst in space when they're asked to pull and get a block in space.

There's also what I call the Kehoe shuffle where rather than keeping a guy in a spot, he moves them around. Jack of all trades, master of none, but the versatility makes them more attractive as prospects for the next level.

Historically, we've been terrible under his watch in short yardage situations as well.

I don't know what of those things I can attribute to him or the plays that are designed and called. Either way, it's been this way with him under various offensive coordinators.
 
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INCaneFan said:
timujian said:
Because since returning to Miami, every OL he has coached has gotten better-some by a little and some by a lot.

He did a remarkable job with with Henderson, Feliciano, Horn, and Wheeler.
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He's generally gotten guys that had other big offers.

My problem with Art is his players here are some of the worst in space when they're asked to pull and get a block in space.

There's also what I call the Kehoe shuffle where rather than keeping a guy in a spot, he moves them around. Jack of all trades, master of none, but the versatility makes them more attractive as prospects for the next level.

Historically, we've been terrible under his watch in short yardage situations as well.

I don't know what of those things I can attribute to him or the plays that are designed and called. Either way, it's been this way with him under various offensive coordinators.
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Methinks a lot of Art's substituting players and their speed/quickness can be traced back to the Head Coach and his PUT ON WEIGHT boullschitt.

Right now, we have the slowest UM team I've ever seen. Cincinnati was running circles around us.

When the boss wants weight first - you do what he wants - or you lose your job.

And on top of THAT, I don't see Al getting a load of top line recruits on either side of the ball.
 
I don't really judge a Miami OL coach by RB production, as the sheer talent that comes through the U is enough to make anyone look impressive. What I look for is the ability to dictate a play, completely blow an opposing DL off the ball in a critical situation, to "own" the trenches. In other words, your prototypical OSU/Wisconsin/Iowa etc OL.

I don't see it here.
 
I'm pretty sure most NFL scouts view Kehoe as one of the better teachers of technique in college football.

....A quote on Ereck FLowers getting the starting job: said one veteran NFL line coach. "He played for one of the best coaches, Art Kehoe,"

He has done a good job here. We honestly also don't know how much of the depth chart and the talent on the OL is Al Golden and how much is Kehoe. What we do know is Our OL's have gotten banged up quite often the past few years, and even though we've been thin and had to play players at positions they weren't used to, Kehoe has done a good job at producing solid oline play for us.

One thing is for sure, Kehoe isn't the problem with out team. Coley's offensive play calling after the first quarter is. Donofrio's entire defensive scheme is. Paul Williams just sucks. And Al Golden can be car salesman of the year, but he's a terrible HC for us.

Kehoe is doing good. Ice is doing good. Hurlie is doing decent-good. Scott has done pretty well. Not too sure about Beard, I'm still disappointed in Stacy Coley, but I do think our WRs are better than last year as a whole, and theres no questioning his recruiting impact. Coley as a QB coach has been very good, as an OC, not so much.
 
Kehoe has put more players in the pros than anyone. And Miami is not a traditional OL factory. He also coached the best line in college football history.

During the Golden era, his units have been solid to strong. Pass protection is much better than it was under Stoutland, who is a great coach himself. They've been the most consistent part of the team.

Short yardage is a recurring problem, and some of Kehoe's recruiting moves have been questionable. But you can see his results. His talented players develop into ready-made pros, and his marginal guys become contributors. Odogwu is the latest example.

Kehoe should be part of whatever staff is put together for 2016.
 
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