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Why the love for Art Kehoe? I don't get it...

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Who did Art "put in the pros" though?

Flowers, Henderson, Feliciano and Linder had offers from everybody coming out of high school.
 
ncncanes said:
Cant remember the last time our OL was able to push the DL back on 3rd (or 4th) and short
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They ran all over Virginia Tech last year in Blacksburg with two true freshmen on the line. They also ran right at Florida State.
 
drifters1234 said:
He's overrated. Our OL has historically underperformed in short yardage situations under Kehoe.

The success we have had in those situations results from our RBs Herculean efforts.
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You must not have eyes.. cause anyone can see that we run out of shotgun right into the middle of the defense on EVERY short yardage situation. It drives me nuts!!! If you wanna run up the gut get your fullback out there and have him smack nigg4s around. We don't have that mentality on this team. No killer instinct on either side. Yearby is best out on the edge. Get his lightning quick *** out there and let him ball. I think our line does a very good job at pulling.
 
futurecane said:
I don't really judge a Miami OL coach by RB production, as the sheer talent that comes through the U is enough to make anyone look impressive. What I look for is the ability to dictate a play, completely blow an opposing DL off the ball in a critical situation, to "own" the trenches. In other words, your prototypical OSU/Wisconsin/Iowa etc OL.

I don't see it here.
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The offensive philosophies are fundamentally different; Miami's blocking schemes are based on zone blocking which in essence has the linemen locking on to a defender to cut him off from an area, verses man blocking which is what the B10 schools you mentioned utilize. In shortyardage and red zone situations The zone scheme is weaker.

In a power blocking scheme, size and power is everything. You want large athletes with top-end strength. Long arms are ideal in this scheme to reach all blocks and make up for limited athleticism. Power blockers typically identify their block pre-snap and must be able to drive block at every position. The "B10 schools mentioned" are a perfect example of that. The zone blocking scheme is the exact opposite. Zone blocking teams are looking for lighter, more athletic offensive linemen. Strength is not as important, and neither are long arms, as angled blocks help nullify most of the need for both. A zone blocker's most important characteristics are quickness and the ability to work as a unit to identify defenders on the go.

[video=youtube_share;NBqXxTwVQYg]http://youtu.be/NBqXxTwVQYg[/video]
 
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calinative umstudent said:
I'm pretty sure most NFL scouts view Kehoe as one of the better teachers of technique in college football.

....A quote on Ereck FLowers getting the starting job: said one veteran NFL line coach. "He played for one of the best coaches, Art Kehoe,"
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Maybe Flowers was just a bad student: What to watch from Giants rookie Ereck Flowers this week? Fixing the 'lazy hands' | NJ.com
Flowers has struggled as a pass protector in his first six quarters, in large part because of his hand placement. It's an area he's stressed since he joined the Giants as the ninth overall pick out of the University of Miami earlier this year...Despite the promising start, Flowers' technique remains the concern. His hands and feet don't always seem to operate in unison.
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This is probably a first in the history of the Internet and forums, but thanks for the insightful posts (and the video). I do bow to the prevailing wisdom and agree that Kehoe is better than I had given him credit for.
 
Coach Macho said:
Who did Art "put in the pros" though?

Flowers, Henderson, Feliciano and Linder had offers from everybody coming out of high school.
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Highly-rated OL flop all the time. It's one of the most difficult positions to project out of high school. Most of the top guys in the league are three-stars.

Those guys had talent, but they still needed to be developed. As for underrated guys that Kehoe sent to the pros, guys like Bryant McKinnie and Chris Myers come to mind. Brett Romberg also played for many years. And plenty more became great college players.
 
You guys put too much stock into this "he put players into the NFL" junk. I bet you think Mike Rumph or Ice Harris put guys into D1 football programs too.

NFL players are NFL players regardless of who's coaching them. It's what they do once they get to the NFL that reflects on the coaching.

Just like I can't "develop" D1 football players, you can't create NFL guys. If it was all about coaching then we'd never have rookies who struggle with technique. They would all be super polished since they were coached by guys who apparently are such great technicians.

Gary Coleman could've coached Bryant McKinnie or Shantrell Henderson into the NFL.
Linder, Henderson, Flowers and Feliciano would've went to the NFL from any of the schools they had offers from.
 
Coach Macho said:
It's what they do once they get to the NFL that reflects on the coaching.
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Linder, Seantrel and Flowers started from Day One, which reflects well on Kehoe.

They are nowhere near finished products, but they're prepared. Seantrel competed against a five-star from Alabama and smoked him. It's not just talent.
 
For all the publicity Kehoe gets he has nerver really had the job offers to match.
No one was knocking on his door when Al hired him.
Stoutland was hired by Alabama and then the NFL.
 
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Coach Macho said:
Stoutland was far superior, and that comes from the mouth of a couple players.
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Yup, I liked Stout's O-Lines better. His guys did a better job of getting to the 2nd level in the zone scheme. I like Trickett's scheme also, very little pulling, tough to get a read on.
 
DMoney said:
Coach Macho said:
It's what they do once they get to the NFL that reflects on the coaching.
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Linder, Seantrel and Flowers started from Day One, which reflects well on Kehoe.
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It does? That would suggest to me that he or the previous coach had a problem getting players for the position. He didn't fulfill needs previously, so you're starting a green player. Selling the potential to start also makes your recruiting easier, so that's a knock as well.
 
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