Why do we refuse to play with any kind of tempo?

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Tempo would help mask his issues, which is in the longer developing routes. He doesn’t have the confidence to sit in the pocket, move the pocket and stay calm like Cam did.

Think about when he was most successful, it was quick hitting and/or one read to someone that was schemed open (Bowers). That’s where he excels, and you are more likely to do that with tempo because you don’t call long developing plays in tempo.

I’m not saying Dawson is trash, but I’m actually stunned at how long it has taken him to figure out his personnel and match his scheme/playcalls to them.

I’m not so sure about that. Quick hitters, and/or one read shots, are not necessarily tempo. Running a tempo office requires quick and accurate pre-snap reads and is much more complicated than what you’ve described. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not against tempo, but I’m sure there’s some quarterbacks that can be more effective in it than others. And the question is, for most of the plays, is Beck that guy.

 

[PennsylvaniaCane]

Alternatively, running tempo and having a lot of three and outs, can put pressure on our defense.

And not running tempo shorten games and allows inferior teams to hang around and beat you. What is so hard to understand about that. And honestly most of us aren’t even talking running Lashlee style snap it in 12 seconds. It shouldn’t be taking 38
Seconds to get a play in and snap it.

 

[TaylorWalls]

And not running tempo shorten games and allows inferior teams to hang around and beat you. What is so hard to understand about that. And honestly most of us aren’t even talking running Lashlee style snap it in 12 seconds. It shouldn’t be taking 38
Seconds to get a play in and snap it.

Indiana, with their cutting edge head coach and offense, ran 62 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.
Oregon, with the guy who saved them from Mario, ran 63 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.
Ohio State, the best team in college football, ran 67 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.

Miami, with our plodding meathead head coach and offense that is trying to slow the game down, ran 70 plays on 11 drives.

 

[rascon]

I’m not so sure about that. Quick hitters, and/or one read shots, are not necessarily tempo. Running a tempo office requires quick and accurate pre-snap reads and is much more complicated than what you’ve described. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not against tempo, but I’m sure there’s some quarterbacks that can be more effective in it than others. And the question is, for most of the plays, is Beck that guy.

I agree with you that the play calls themselves aren’t what comprise tempo. But successful plays that don’t drain the kid mentally is what can kickstart tempo. A lot of our pass plays appear to have a longer developing routes and Beck is not comfortable with those. He’s not comfortable with pocket movement and/or getting to his other reads. And you can almost tell that Dawson slows the game to give Beck time to regroup.

My biggest takeaway is that Dawson should have arrived at the plays Beck can make without thinking too much (and he did a good job of that yesterday). Thats when you can go with more tempo. Yesterday we were in four wide and he was getting the ball out a lot more decisvesly. That’s the precursor to going with more tempo.

 

[DTP]

In fairness to OP, late in the first half we were averaging 3 plays (just under) every 2 minutes.

Overall though, we averaged 1 play every 31 seconds.

A lot of that has to do with the fact that we had only two possessions in the first quarter and one of them ended with a fumble after four plays. I mean it’s tough to run a ton of plays when your defense scores touchdowns and has to go right back out on the field.

 

[Ryanmilli]

I implore you "happy" folk to be more genuine with your statements. This thread is about offensive tempo, yet you make post that includes two defensive scores.

We scored 31 offensive points vs cuse and 34 vs NC State. Thats 65 offensive points.

Which is 32.5 offensive ppg versus two of the worst defenses in college football.

You think the committe who has publicly questioned out offense is impressed enough by 32.5 oppg against cuse and NC state to bump us into the playoffs over their sec and ND darlings?

You guys just dont get that winning alone is not enough. The offense needs to make a statement to the committee and the world so strong that they cant leave us out.

32.5 Oppg against terrible defenses wont do it, imo. Needed to be around 42.5 at least.

The offense did use some tempo. Not a lot, but some. Beck certainly takes his time in pre-snap and we were shifting some based on the looks we were getting.

In terms of points, we also played our 2nd and 3rd string QBs for our last 2 drives, one of which ended in a missed FG and the other of which had us on the NC State 22 when the game ended. We almost certainly would’ve scored more had we left the starters in (which ND did for the entire game, for example).

Sure, the offense can be better. There were some missed opportunities. And a little more tempo early would be nice (there was no reason to play tempo for much of the game). But overall, the offense is evolving in a positive way. There’s really very little to complain about from yesterday. That was NC State’s worst loss of the year even with us calling off the dogs with about 10 mins left.

 

[TaylorWalls]

The offense did use some tempo. Not a lot, but some. Beck certainly takes his time in pre-snap and we were shifting some based on the looks we were getting.

In terms of points, we also played our 2nd and 3rd string QBs for our last 2 drives, one of which ended in a missed FG and the other of which had us on the NC State 22 when the game ended. We almost certainly would’ve scored more had we left the starters in (which ND did for the entire game, for example).

Sure, the offense can be better. There were some missed opportunities. And a little more tempo early would be nice (there was no reason to play tempo for much of the game). But overall, the offense is evolving in a positive way. There’s really very little to complain about from yesterday. That was NC State’s worst loss of the year even with us calling off the dogs with about 10 mins left.

But we're Miami, bro. We should win that game 63-0.

 

[Da Jumbo Mutombo]

You guys want to know why we think you're miserable just to be miserable?

Indiana, with their cutting edge head coach and offense, ran 62 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.
Oregon, with the guy who saved them from Mario, ran 63 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.
Ohio State, the best team in college football, ran 67 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.

Miami, with our plodding meathead head coach and offense that is trying to slow the game down, ran 70 plays on 11 drives.

But yeah, if we would just stop trying to play ball control by running it up the middle, we could have more drives and more plays.

This is why your "criticism" is stupid.

You named 3 teams that are firmly in the playoffs and dont got **** to prove. Nothing wrong with slowing a game down and going home with a win when you are in that luxurious situation.

The high level nuance of the argument that you might be missing is that we are outside of the playoffs with A LOT TO PROVE.

Could we have scored more yestersay? If you think the answer is yes, then we should have. Period. If you think we dont have the ability to because Beck is incapable how someone else mentioned, then just say that.

Let me know if you understand that part, I can try to explain in a different way.

 

[Cribby]

I beg to differ. At 41-7 it appears you thoroughly dominated a team. At 63-0, it appears you basically ran drills for 4 quarters against a bunch of guys who showed no interest in offering any resistance.

Yeah , nice try , nobody sees it that way

 

[TaylorWalls]

You named 3 teams that are firmly in the playoffs and dont got **** to prove. Nothing wrong with slowing a game down and going home with a win when you are in that luxurious situation.

The high level nuance of the argument that you might be missing is that we are outside of the playoffs with A LOT TO PROVE.

Could we have scored more yestersay? If you think the answer is yes, then we should have. Period. If you think we dont have the ability to because Beck is incapable how someone else mentioned, then just say that.

Let me know if you understand that part, I can try to explain in a different way.

But they allegedly all go "up tempo". If they go up tempo and we're trying to run the clock out in the first quarter, how do we have more drives and more plays?

 

[JamesQuall]

 

[Ispyin]

Our offense played well yesterday, against a terrible defense. That said we only scored 34 points and had drives stall out. We insist on snapping the ball with a couple seconds left on the play clock and yesterday doing so cost us a TD (the illegal shift penalty). After every play they just walk back to the huddle with no sense of urgency. With our talent advantage in the ACC why wouldn’t you want to put pressure on a defense and just keep hammering them with no let up.

I appreciate Dawson calling some different stuff but he also throws plays away. We had a 1st and 20 and he reset to run a A gap dive with Pringle which went for 2-3 yards. Thankfully he got bailed out on 2nd down when Beck bought time, scrambled left and hit Marion on the sideline for a nice first down. Against a competent defense are we converting that? The numbers tell us we aren’t.

Good win yesterday but we still have issues on offense IMO. And those issues continue to be personnel and tempo.

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[AutoCANE]

Not going to read the whole thread so this may have already been said, if so my apologies. My personal belief is that Mario wants to play the plodding game because he believes having a fast break offense was a factor in our defense sucking *** last year. I have nothing to prove this, but it is my belief.

 

[TaylorWalls]

Not going to read the whole thread so this may have already been said, if so my apologies. My personal belief is that Mario wants to play the plodding game because he believes having a fast break offense was a factor in our defense sucking *** last year. I have nothing to prove this, but it is my belief.

Indiana, with their cutting edge head coach and offense, ran 62 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.
Oregon, with the guy who saved them from Mario, ran 63 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.
Ohio State, the best team in college football, ran 67 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.

Miami, with our plodding meathead head coach and offense that is trying to slow the game down, ran 70 plays on 11 drives.

 

[RealRussellPumps]

OP posts about tempo.

Everybody fights back with argument that we scored.

That wasnt OPs point? Its NC State, one of the worst defenses in football. Of course we scored, but that doesnt answer his question of whether it was a fast or slow pace.

I saw the last second Jojo procedure penalty, I saw us burn a TO to avoid another delay of game. Seems like we have at least one of those a game.

I dont need to ask this question because I know why we play with a slow pace, I know Mario's style.

But I am bothered that nothing can be questioned after beating a bad team. And the responses dont answer the actual question. Tempo is the question, not points or effectiveness.

Literally after every win lol people flame anyone that have complaints about the team as if winning the game erases all cause for concern. We can win games and still have things to improve.

 

[TaylorWalls]

Literally after every win lol people flame anyone that have complaints about the team as if winning the game erases all cause for concern. We can win games and still have things to improve.

Who ran the up-tempo offense yesterday that we should be trying to match?

 

[caneizzle#1]

You’re right.

I just don’t get why we don’t score on every single drive.

Lol!! Like Happy Gilmore, having trouble with his putting, hitting a hole in one on a par 5, saying " that was way easier, I'll just do that for now on".

 

[RealRussellPumps]

Who ran the up-tempo offense yesterday that we should be trying to match?

Who said anything about running an up tempo offense? I and many others are looking for our OC to add it more often as a wrinkle in our offense. No one is looking for only up temp lol. Apparently it’s a crime to want your OC to have some semblance of a feel for the flow of the game.

 

[TaylorWalls]

Who said anything about running an up tempo offense?

Thread title:

Why do we refuse to play with any kind of tempo?​

 

[PennsylvaniaCane]

Thread title:

Why do we refuse to play with any kind of tempo?​

Maybe I should spell it out better. I could have said something like “Why do we refuse to come out and establish an identity running plays with better pace/tempo to stress an overmatched defense out to thereby hide some of our own deficiencies and by doing so get up early on teams and allow our defense to play downhill rather than coming out and allow the other team to dictate the pace which is normally smarter coaches who understand when you have less talent you slow the game down to give a more talented team less chances…..”. Or something like that?