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Why can’t Miami be consistently good?

Angry Ibis said:
People still worrying about the Orange Bowl is exactly part of the “Miami” problem.

It’s been 15 years…

Mario didn’t not kneel, mismanage the roster or blow games because of the Orange Bowl, he did it because he’s an average head coach that tightens up in tough spots and the administration hired him because his friends were better positioned this time around…
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It's a symptom of the disease. The disease is that Miami is cheap and won't invest. Where is our football facility? Oh that's right, they decided not to build it after saying they would, straight up lying to the supporters of the program.

The stadium thing is optics more than anything, but it's the most visible symptom of Miami's cheapness to the whole country, including recruits, prospective students, and prospective future conferences who might wonder how much Miami admin really cares.

Miami is the only major college football program in America without our own stadium besides Pitt. That pretty much advertises the fact and screams out to the world that Miami admin are too cheap to invest in the program... so much so that they don't even care if the team has a field to play on.

It's a TERRIBLE look for Miami to rent out a teal stadium that's basically in Broward and have it half-filled each Saturday.
 
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Cylo said:
Not sure if anybody else mention that in this thread but thats another reason too. The fall really took a deep dive when we got into the ACC and also the rise of the SEC really hurt us too when it comes to recruiting. The SEC was always the best but they took a bigger jump into a super conference in the last 15 years or so
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This.

We held firm with spending at the same time multiple SEC schools began to ramp up funding of programs, staffing, and facilities. And enhanced recruiting budgets climbed. This began to ramp up in 2003 and we began to lag behind at the same time. I remember a certain defensive back flipping away from us around that time for a huge bag. We weren’t responding, not there, not anywhere.

By the time Miami really began to start spending in 2016, a chasm like gap had opened up. And while our budgets were tight, we often made hasty decisions driven as much by budget as anything else
 
RightSaidFred said:
It's a symptom of the disease. The disease is that Miami is cheap and won't invest. Where is our football facility? Oh that's right, they decided not to build it after saying they would, straight up lying to the supporters of the program.

The stadium thing is optics more than anything, but it's the most visible symptom of Miami's cheapness to the whole country, including recruits, prospective students, and prospective future conferences who might wonder how much Miami admin really cares.

Miami is the only major college football program in America without our own stadium besides Pitt. That pretty much advertises the fact and screams out to the world that Miami admin are too cheap to invest in the program... so much so that they don't even care if the team has a field to play on.

It's a TERRIBLE look for Miami to rent out a teal stadium that's basically in Broward and have it half-filled each Saturday.
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Not much we can do about it. There literally no place to build an on campus stadium, unless you fill in Lake Osceola. Or unless it’s floating above the campus, like in Bioshock Infinite.
 
RightSaidFred said:
It's a symptom of the disease. The disease is that Miami is cheap and won't invest. Where is our football facility? Oh that's right, they decided not to build it after saying they would, straight up lying to the supporters of the program.

The stadium thing is optics more than anything, but it's the most visible symptom of Miami's cheapness to the whole country, including recruits, prospective students, and prospective future conferences who might wonder how much Miami admin really cares.

Miami is the only major college football program in America without our own stadium besides Pitt. That pretty much advertises the fact and screams out to the world that Miami admin are too cheap to invest in the program... so much so that they don't even care if the team has a field to play on.

It's a TERRIBLE look for Miami to rent out a teal stadium that's basically in Broward and have it half-filled each Saturday.
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Are the new facilities officially cancelled?
 
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GojiraCane said:
Not much we can do about it. There literally no place to build an on campus stadium, unless you fill in Lake Osceola. Or unless it’s floating above the campus, like in Bioshock Infinite.
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Understandable, but then build one off campus somewhere. There are options other than renting, our admin just doesn’t have the vision and desire to make it happen
 
Memnon said:
It’s a myriad of things that starts & trickles down from the people who are responsible for the program.

At first, the money men where dirt cheap & made a ton of bad hires while not allocating funds towards the Football program to keep on us par with the rest of the top programs in the Nation.

Then in the 2 instances in which they finally opened the checkbooks, it was for Richt & Mario.

Also bad Coaching + subpar recruiting = Consistent losing & average seasons

Our struggles stem from the people in charge not knowing or caring about Football & when they finally do they’re very limited in the people they think can actually lead us to being a winning program. They see everything through the prism of the old glory years of Miami & having been chasing those ghosts for decades.

It’s just been a bad combination of the people who control the money making really stupid decisions based on nostalgia.
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Added to that, Miamis refusal within coaching to stay ahead of the pack or to be modern in their schemes, something all of the championship winning teams had in common.

Whether it was Schnellenbergers pro-style, JJs 4-3 defense focusing on speed and athletic ability and Ericksons One-Back system on offense. All of these systems took advantage of what SFL was offering.

Then we had the 2001 team and the program, to this day at times, believes we need to play bro-ball like we used to. It feels like we aren't trying to win, we're trying to prove a point for two decades.
 
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Bender said:
Added to that, Miamis refusal within coaching to stay ahead of the pack or to be modern in their schemes, something all of the championship winning teams had in common.

Whether it was Schnellenbergers pro-style, JJs 4-3 defense focusing on speed and athletic ability and Ericksons One-Back system on offense. All of these systems took advantage of what SFL was offering.

Then we had the 2001 team and the program, to this day at times, believes we need to play bro-ball like we used to. It feels like we aren't trying to win, we're trying to prove a point for two decades.
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We use to hire great football minds no matter where they were from



Also some of yall really think not playing in the OB anymore is a reason why we dont win consistently then you’re just proving what @Memnon wrote about us trying to recapture our glory days

You could have put our coaches and players in traz powell every week and they would have been great. No stadium is winning games..Stop the nostalgia bs and actually think lol
 
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E1k said:
We use to hire great football minds no matter where they were from
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People can go and point to the "coaching is overrated" section and I get it, because Miami has far more prevalent issues.

However, and that's just the reality, based on the recruiting hot bed we're in, we should have never performed as poorly as we did. We should have been like Oregon, making the change to spread systems in the mid-2000s, to counter the lack of physical talent that other programs had and were building up.

It amazes me that during the Golden Era of the Spread and the Air Raid, where Oregon and Boise State and South Florida came from ******* nowhere to be ranked with the top dogs and not a single person in the administration felt "Hey, we have to do this too". And we had a shot with Leach, but we ignored him and kept trotting out Shannon.
 
Poptimus said:
It's a lot of reasons, as some note, but the biggest reason is failure to obtain a top QB. Who have our QBs been the past 20 years? Kyle Wright, Jacory Harris, Stephen Morris, Robert Marve, Brad Kaaya, Malik Rosier, TVD, etc etc. We don't have a QB who has been drafted, what, top 5 rounds in 20 years. Good luck competing with that, let alone throw in the sanctions from the Nevin Shapiro incident, bad coaches, etc.
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Sorry, these were top QBs from high school. You can say that they didn’t reach expectations but they were top QBs nonetheless.
 
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bornagaincane said:
Sorry, these were top QBs from high school. You can say that they didn’t reach expectations but they were top QBs nonetheless.
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They were all swings and misses. All of them. No one cares if they were two stars or five stars, they didn’t pan out. Meanwhile, guys like Teddy Bridgewater or Lamar Jackson could have been Canes, among others, and we wouldn’t be having this thread.
 
Memnon said:
It’s a myriad of things that starts & trickles down from the people who are responsible for the program.

At first, the money men where dirt cheap & made a ton of bad hires while not allocating funds towards the Football program to keep on us par with the rest of the top programs in the Nation.

Then in the 2 instances in which they finally opened the checkbooks, it was for Richt & Mario.

Also bad Coaching + subpar recruiting = Consistent losing & average seasons

Our struggles stem from the people in charge not knowing or caring about Football & when they finally do they’re very limited in the people they think can actually lead us to being a winning program. They see everything through the prism of the old glory years of Miami & having been chasing those ghosts for decades.

It’s just been a bad combination of the people who control the money making really stupid decisions based on nostalgia.
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It is wild that over the past 34 years...THIRTY FOUR...that we have only hired two coaches outside of the Miami bubble. Dennis Erickson and Al Golden. That's crazy.

Butch Davis was a former Jimmy Johnson guy and DL Coach at Miami.
Larry Coker was our former OC.
Randy Shannon was our former DC and LB.
Then Al Golden.
Mark Richt is obvious.
Manny Diaz graduated from Miami Country Day, our former DC.
Now Mario.

When you zoom out, the lack of seeing anything beyond your nose is just crazy to me at this point.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
It is wild that over the past 34 years...THIRTY FOUR...that we have only hired two coaches outside of the Miami bubble. Dennis Erickson and Al Golden. That's crazy.

Butch Davis was a former Jimmy Johnson guy and DL Coach at Miami.
Larry Coker was our former OC.
Randy Shannon was our former DC and LB.
Then Al Golden.
Mark Richt is obvious.
Manny Diaz graduated from Miami Country Day, our former DC.
Now Mario.

When you zoom out, the lack of seeing anything beyond your nose is just crazy to me at this point.
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Homogeneity is the source that has plagued our program for so long.
 
Memnon said:
Homogeneity is the source that has plagued our program for so long.
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I'm sure I've thought about it before...but, I just can't wrap my mind around 34 years and only 2 "outside" hires and we've been dog **** bad for 20 years.

Not only homogeneity, but risk averse decision making. The combination of those two is...well...us.
 
bdcane4eva said:
We are inherently and consistently dumb dumb dumb at the top...and will never change tbh
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Consistently, yes. Inherently no, that doesn't make any sense.

We also happen to be consistently dumb at the bottom too. Which doesn't exactly help solve the bigger problem of bad decision making at the top.
 
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