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The culture of our entire program has to change. There aren't a lot of guys that want success, going to come down to Miami, deal with some the of the bull**** they gotta deal with. Especially from fans...and try to rebuild a program.
 
Again, where is this abundance of head coaches lining up to take over this program? Time for people to accept this gig isn't as desirable as our fans think it is.

Schiano didn't want it in 2007, when Shannon fell upwards into the role—and when Golden took it, guys like Edsall and Trestman were the other names thrown around.

Post-Golden, Richt signed on as an alum as he was up for one last go-around when Georgia parted ways with him—but again, no one else was interested in the job.

Outside of Mike Leach's name tossed around years back—a quirky outlier who's offense works with a next-level quarterback (Minshew) and doesn't without, while he has never given two ***** about defense—again, minimal interest from any for the Miami job.

Look at Florida State; a state school with a big budget and boosters who write checks. Had to settle on Willie Taggart and despite firing the man weeks ago, absolutely striking out in their coaching search. Also the same reason aTm paid Jimbo Fisher a mint and poached him from FSU; because there aren't a slew of proven coaches out there ready to make moves.

Same to be said for a lot of these second tier guys at smaller schools that seem ready to go next-level—a Matt Campbell, or others like him. Staying put until the right gig comes up; a la Tom Herman leaving Houston for Texas.

Most of these guys coach college ball as they love the collegiate experience—which Miami doesn't offer; a pro sports town mentality, ready to run off a first-year guy before season one is even in the books—taking no consideration of the state of the program he took over. Hardly a ringing endorsement for UM if they can Diaz after 12 games—as no quality guy is going to uproot his life for nine months to fix a program.

Matt Rhule went 1-11 and 7-6 at Baylor before turning things around year three—having taken over a program that was 11-2, 11-2 and 10-3 the year before he took over.

I'm not saying Diaz is the next Rhule. Manny may very well be a bust, but you don't figure that out year one. Even if you lack confidence in him, a guy is going to at least get a second year—and most a third.

Florida State pulled the trigger on Willie late in year two; and is now on the hook to pay out the *** for him, with a cash-poor athletic department now begging boosters for money to help with a new hire .... while getting turned down but the likes of Bob Stoops and no quality candidates in the pipeline. (Won't be shocked if FSU winds up promoting Briles from within if they strike out elsewhere, instead of the HCIW title they want to give him when bringing in someone else to restore order.)

A lot of parity and competition on today's game. College football head coaching hirings have become a game of opposite musical chairs; not a ton of guys out there ready to make the leap and a lot of empty seats.
 
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The only people who aren't willing to walk into a ****show athletic department are people you probably don't want. Should you manage to catch lightning in a bottle like we did with Butch, they'll be gone as soon as their stock rises to work for a competent athletic department.

We are ****ed.
 
ItsAUThing.com said:
Again, where is this abundance of head coaches lining up to take over this program? Time for people to accept this gig isn't as desirable as our fans think it is.

Schiano didn't want it in 2007, when Shannon fell upwards into the role—and when Golden took it, guys like Edsall and Trestman were the other names thrown around.

Post-Golden, Richt signed on as an alum as he was up for one last go-around when Georgia parted ways with him—but again, no one else was interested in the job.

Outside of Mike Leach's name tossed around years back—a quirky outlier who's offense works with a next-level quarterback (Minshew) and doesn't without, while he has never given two ***** about defense—again, minimal interest from any for the Miami job.

Look at Florida State; a state school with a big budget and boosters who write checks. Had to settle on Willie Taggart and despite firing the man weeks ago, absolutely striking out in their coaching search. Also the same reason aTm paid Jimbo Fisher a mint and poached him from FSU; because there aren't a slew of proven coaches out there ready to make moves.

Same to be said for a lot of these second tier guys at smaller schools that seem ready to go next-level—a Matt Campbell, or others like him. Staying put until the right gig comes up; a la Tom Herman leaving Houston for Texas.

Most of these guys coach college ball as they love the collegiate experience—which Miami doesn't offer; a pro sports town mentality, ready to run off a first-year guy before season one is even in the books—taking no consideration of the state of the program he took over. Hardly a ringing endorsement for UM if they can Diaz after 12 games—as no quality guy is going to uproot his life for nine months to fix a program.

Matt Rhule went 1-11 and 7-6 at Baylor before turning things around year three—having taken over a program that was 11-2, 11-2 and 10-3 the year before he took over.

I'm not saying Diaz is the next Rhule. Manny may very well be a bust, but you don't figure that out year one. Even if you lack confidence in him, a guy is going to at least get a second year—and most a third.

Florida State pulled the trigger on Willie late in year two; and is now on the hook to pay out the *** for him, with a cash-poor athletic department now begging boosters for money to help with a new hire .... while getting turned down but the likes of Bob Stoops and no quality candidates in the pipeline. (Won't be shocked if FSU winds up promoting Briles from within if they strike out elsewhere, instead of the HCIW title they want to give him when bringing in someone else to restore order.)

A lot of parity and competition on today's game. College football head coaching hirings have become a game of opposite musical chairs; not a ton of guys out there ready to make the leap and a lot of empty seats.
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Lol at Schiano not wanting it....Yes he most certainly did...
 
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ItsAUThing.com said:
Again, where is this abundance of head coaches lining up to take over this program? Time for people to accept this gig isn't as desirable as our fans think it is.

Schiano didn't want it in 2007, when Shannon fell upwards into the role—and when Golden took it, guys like Edsall and Trestman were the other names thrown around.

Post-Golden, Richt signed on as an alum as he was up for one last go-around when Georgia parted ways with him—but again, no one else was interested in the job.

Outside of Mike Leach's name tossed around years back—a quirky outlier who's offense works with a next-level quarterback (Minshew) and doesn't without, while he has never given two ***** about defense—again, minimal interest from any for the Miami job.

Look at Florida State; a state school with a big budget and boosters who write checks. Had to settle on Willie Taggart and despite firing the man weeks ago, absolutely striking out in their coaching search. Also the same reason aTm paid Jimbo Fisher a mint and poached him from FSU; because there aren't a slew of proven coaches out there ready to make moves.

Same to be said for a lot of these second tier guys at smaller schools that seem ready to go next-level—a Matt Campbell, or others like him. Staying put until the right gig comes up; a la Tom Herman leaving Houston for Texas.

Most of these guys coach college ball as they love the collegiate experience—which Miami doesn't offer; a pro sports town mentality, ready to run off a first-year guy before season one is even in the books—taking no consideration of the state of the program he took over. Hardly a ringing endorsement for UM if they can Diaz after 12 games—as no quality guy is going to uproot his life for nine months to fix a program.

Matt Rhule went 1-11 and 7-6 at Baylor before turning things around year three—having taken over a program that was 11-2, 11-2 and 10-3 the year before he took over.

I'm not saying Diaz is the next Rhule. Manny may very well be a bust, but you don't figure that out year one. Even if you lack confidence in him, a guy is going to at least get a second year—and most a third.

Florida State pulled the trigger on Willie late in year two; and is now on the hook to pay out the *** for him, with a cash-poor athletic department now begging boosters for money to help with a new hire .... while getting turned down but the likes of Bob Stoops and no quality candidates in the pipeline. (Won't be shocked if FSU winds up promoting Briles from within if they strike out elsewhere, instead of the HCIW title they want to give him when bringing in someone else to restore order.)

A lot of parity and competition on today's game. College football head coaching hirings have become a game of opposite musical chairs; not a ton of guys out there ready to make the leap and a lot of empty seats.
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Well put, Manny won't get fired this year. But we lost to FIU. So at least we know Manny ain't it.

Baby steps first. Blake James has failed the program for long enough so you start with him and clean house with the rest of the admin.
 
casualcane said:
1) Replace AD

2) New AD replaces coach

Refer to steps one and two above to solve problems
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Blake has shown he does not have the ability to lead us correctly. We need someone with a rolodex and power. Any one is going to tell me the leadership at powers like Clemson, Alabama and OSU don't know what it looks like to be prepared as a team. We need Blake to step aside sooner than later. But I guess since the women's track and basketball team are doing well, guess he's doing his job. Oh well!!! #tnm
 
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ItsAUThing.com said:
Again, where is this abundance of head coaches lining up to take over this program? Time for people to accept this gig isn't as desirable as our fans think it is.

Schiano didn't want it in 2007, when Shannon fell upwards into the role—and when Golden took it, guys like Edsall and Trestman were the other names thrown around.

Post-Golden, Richt signed on as an alum as he was up for one last go-around when Georgia parted ways with him—but again, no one else was interested in the job.

Outside of Mike Leach's name tossed around years back—a quirky outlier who's offense works with a next-level quarterback (Minshew) and doesn't without, while he has never given two ***** about defense—again, minimal interest from any for the Miami job.

Look at Florida State; a state school with a big budget and boosters who write checks. Had to settle on Willie Taggart and despite firing the man weeks ago, absolutely striking out in their coaching search. Also the same reason aTm paid Jimbo Fisher a mint and poached him from FSU; because there aren't a slew of proven coaches out there ready to make moves.

Same to be said for a lot of these second tier guys at smaller schools that seem ready to go next-level—a Matt Campbell, or others like him. Staying put until the right gig comes up; a la Tom Herman leaving Houston for Texas.

Most of these guys coach college ball as they love the collegiate experience—which Miami doesn't offer; a pro sports town mentality, ready to run off a first-year guy before season one is even in the books—taking no consideration of the state of the program he took over. Hardly a ringing endorsement for UM if they can Diaz after 12 games—as no quality guy is going to uproot his life for nine months to fix a program.

Matt Rhule went 1-11 and 7-6 at Baylor before turning things around year three—having taken over a program that was 11-2, 11-2 and 10-3 the year before he took over.

I'm not saying Diaz is the next Rhule. Manny may very well be a bust, but you don't figure that out year one. Even if you lack confidence in him, a guy is going to at least get a second year—and most a third.

Florida State pulled the trigger on Willie late in year two; and is now on the hook to pay out the *** for him, with a cash-poor athletic department now begging boosters for money to help with a new hire .... while getting turned down but the likes of Bob Stoops and no quality candidates in the pipeline. (Won't be shocked if FSU winds up promoting Briles from within if they strike out elsewhere, instead of the HCIW title they want to give him when bringing in someone else to restore order.)

A lot of parity and competition on today's game. College football head coaching hirings have become a game of opposite musical chairs; not a ton of guys out there ready to make the leap and a lot of empty seats.
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if we had a leader at the top that would tell the bot and president we are putting it all on the money generating program instead of money losing programs within the athletic department, we will not attract anyone good.
 
RVACane said:
This is it exactly. It will take an independent, experienced and respected AD to be able to hire a guy we’d want as a coach.
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Who the heck would not want to coach at a program with access to the best talent in America within 2 hours. We have brought in second tier coaches and we gotten second tier performance, wasting some of the top talent in America. Kids that every school in America wanted.
 
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Matt Campbell, Norvell, Fleck are dreams but if we’re being realistic to this place than Buffalo Coach Lance Leipold.

Only coach not named Nick Saban to have 5 national championships in College. Built Wisconsin Whitewater and has Buffalo winning and bowl eligible for the 3rd year in a row. Found Tyree Jackson, Anthony Johnson, and KJ at Buffalo. Definitely not flashy but will definitely coach the **** out of these players and evaluate.
 
Butch should be head coach so that we can prove to these delusional stans that he is washed and can’t coach anymore
 
Honestly, I'd hire Leavitt. We desperately need an SOB to knock heads and treat this mess as a Day 1 rebuild.

However, until James and his assistants are fired, it's a waste of time. The basketball team and the baseball program suffering similar fates.
 
Clean the AD out and it's really not that big of an issue. It's twofold in that the people in charge of the AD would never consider someone like urban meyer for the job and urban meyer would never consider the job because of the people in charge of the AD. So we're stuck shopping in the up and comer bin.
 
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