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Who will be the better QB on 8/31 -- Ward or Mertz?

We curbstomp them and steal their recruits. Come Christmas time all will be well for the um football program. If we make the playoffs and advance I might have to break out the good spirits at the crib.
 
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I've been watching reruns of Canes games last season, mostly while I'm working late into the evening, although i don't want to watch any UF games, I'm curious to see a game he picked a good defense apart, can anyone suggest one?
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I realize you're not the person who posted it, but that is a horrendous graphic comparison.

I've already discussed why Yards per ATTEMPT is a **** statistic.

And two of the other statistics involve PRESSURE. Which may be greater or lesser depending on your line and/or WRs. It's not fair to express such things as percentages when you may have a crappy line or WRs who struggle to get open.

Third down success is a valid measure (Ward has the better stat). The completion percentage 15 yards downfield stat is...questionable...it may have a very small sample size...it just depends...

Again, the key here, at least with what we know about THOSE TWO quarterbacks, would be INTs. Tyler killed us last year with bad/untimely INTs.
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Yeah the comparison is bad, but I didn't post it for the TVD info/comparison at all, purely for more stats that I haven't seen regarding Ward, because for all but the Y/A you usually have to pay for pff or another service to access.
 
calinative umstudent said:
Yeah the comparison is bad, but I didn't post it for the TVD info/comparison at all, purely for more stats that I haven't seen regarding Ward, because for all but the Y/A you usually have to pay for pff or another service to access.
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You can pull a lot from sports-reference.com

www.sports-reference.com

2023 College Football Passing Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Check out the 2023 College Football Passing Stats and more about College Football at Sports-Reference.com
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I still think the "vs. pressure" stats are misleading, but somebody takes the time to compile that. I guess.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
You can pull a lot from sports-reference.com

www.sports-reference.com

2023 College Football Passing Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Check out the 2023 College Football Passing Stats and more about College Football at Sports-Reference.com
www.sports-reference.com www.sports-reference.com

I still think the "vs. pressure" stats are misleading, but somebody takes the time to compile that. I guess.
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Yeah I use that and their nfl site for pretty much all my regular stats, but they basically don’t provide any advanced stats. They do a little for NFL, but I don’t trust it as much as I would like PFF advanced passing stats. To get the better metrics you gotta pay usually.
 
I think with a better roster around him Ward is capable of playing a more controlled style of game where he doesn't run around extending plays as often and where he takes fewer risks.

We'll see.







 
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IndayArtHauz said:
I buy into the argument that Mertz will be better than this board thinks he is, and will have a narrow window of opportunity on short, quick throws vs our DBs, which he’s proven to be effective with.

I am more confident than most that Mertz will be able to execute their game plan AND will be successful at it to a degree.

But Cam Ward is demonstrably the better all around QB.
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A lot has to do with protection. Ward like every other QB will be really good if his uniform is clean. Miami's O line will get the job done. Ward has a big
grover said:
I'm bored, and since we have no news out of camp, I figured I'd get you guys all fired up. So here it is:

The host of Locked on Gators took time off as an extra on Swamp People to stake out a claim that Mertz will be the better QB in game 1 even if Ward has more NFL potential.

His first argument is that Ward coughs up the ball 3 times a game across fumbles and interceptions, whereas Mertz does so less than 1 time a game. He acknowledges that Mertz is a game manager, but refutes the "Checkdown Charlie" nickname, by citing the statistics that average depth of target was 6.7 yards for Merz vs. 7.7 yards for Ward, and that if you take away behind LOS passes throws, that increases to 10.9 for Ward vs. 11.4 for Merz.



Do you buy that argument?
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Is that a real question?
 
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E1k said:
Removing behind the line passes is pretty standard for evaluating college qbs.
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Fine.

Then Mertz's accuracy percentage and total passing yardage numbers plummet.

If you take away Checkdown Charlie's checkdowns, he's not much of a QB. Statistically.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Fine.

Then Mertz's accuracy percentage and total passing yardage numbers plummet.

If you take away Checkdown Charlie's checkdowns, he's not much of a QB. Statistically.
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Im not debating what mertz is or isn’t i was just saying its pretty normal to take away those throws when scouting college qbs
 
E1k said:
Im not debating what mertz is or isn’t i was just saying its pretty normal to take away those throws when scouting college qbs
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Fair enough. I'll grant that for scouts.

It's just annoying to hear that stuff from Gator fans, as if it would help their case when making statistical comparisons between Mertz and Ward.
 
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OptimusCreampie said:
I’m sorry I still have ptsd from Kurt benkert and Alex hornibrook
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JayCane20 said:
When comparing the 2 in their systems going head to head?
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Yea it is in general for college guys, there’s not much to take from throws behind the line of scrimmage besides how many attempts the player is throwing in that area but for depth of target it’s smarter to take those out the equation to get a better summary
 
I think Mario wants to make it a balanced type game that that doesn't put too much pressure on Cam to carry the team; his number 1 job will be to protect the football.

Mertz can climb or escape the pocket as needed and delivers a catchable ball; also appears willing to challenge DBs and has familiarity in the system going on year 2. He doesn't lack confidence and should be prepared to play well at home.

We need to make the other 10 dudes uncomfortable all game long.

For anyone unfamiliar with his game...

 
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