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Who was hated more: Johnson, Erikson or Davis?

Johnson was put into a tough situation, he had to keep some coaches from Howard's staff when he was hired, and they worked against him. Johnson made the right changes after the 85 season, and won 10 games. Johnson did what it took to win, something Richt seems to be failing at.
 
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Gulfcoastcanefan said:
Yeah the fans hadn’t thought of banners under the Errickson tenure- but they did think of “nice things” to show their displeasure with his with crap coaching- like burning and hanging Dennis the drunk in effigy- you moron- something that sonny lubicks wife was quick to publicize and reveal when the canes offered her husband the hc position after the drunk bolted for Seattle- what about that smart ***?
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Well if they were talking about bringing back Dennis then I’d mention them burning Dennis the drunk for a second time. Butch is the only one with bring back _____ fans and he’s the only one with banners flown. 🤷🏽‍♂️
 
I am older and remember all these years. The fact that Jimmy Johnson survived his first year was amazing. The man had a resume of only recruiting Thurman Thomas to Okie State and he deferred entirely to Bernie Kosar and the offense. Kosar kept producing and the defensive coach that Johnson said he was kept messing up culminating in the Flutie miracle at the end of the year. Johnson was required the keep Bill Trout as defensive coordinator and Trout did everything he could to sabatogue JJ including leaving the defensive press box upstairs before the final Flutie play.

But JJ was blamed for the disaster, and he barely survived. Most fans settled down after that year though when he led us to the Sugar Bowl. By contrast Erickson took over a loaded defense. It was ridiculous the talent JJ left him. But he reached on a ND recruit and brought the kid's Dad in in an academic advisor position. That man caused all the sanctions after we flipped the kid. He gave out the impermissible benefits and so, even though Erickson brought us offense, he didn't recruit the same guys on defense left us defenseless when he left. And he missed on the quarterback recruits as well. He wasn't hated in the same way but everyone knew he had to go.

Butch came in and he was totally f'ed by sanctions. I didn't think anyone could rebuild us. And he struggled. But he organized recruiting in a way we never did it before, or since. And by year five, he had this amazing group. No one could have seen it coming in year three, or even year four, but by year five, all the pieces were in place. I have been saying this on blogs ever since. If you want a quality program, you have to give it five years, if you see proper strategy. With Golden he did not deserve year five because the defensive coaching got worse every year. I don't like Richt's offense because we beat FSU on equal talent in the 1980s when there was equal talent and a similar strategy. But I can't say that the RPO offense Richt runs is different than most coaches run nowadays. You just have to give the coach the full five years to replace the leftovers from the previous coach, particularly when they were not offensive guys before you decide to look to the next guy. Because that guy will then need five years to clean house and recruit his guys. It takes time. Give it time and then evaluate.

We all agree Golden needed to go. But he recruited, went into homes of prospects, and their families, and committed he would give each kid a FOUR year scholarship,at least. UM is required to honor those commitments. So we have to let those guys graduate, like Bar Milo, and then replace. It happens.
 
A coach is supposed to socialize with Boosters. If he drinks at a fund raiser that is okay. Dennis was never drunk on the job, coaching wise, and that crap was used to let him go as a justification but there was never any truth that he was ever intoxicated while coaching.
 
lurk said:
The vocal group wanted Jimmy Johnson fired in year 1 for the disaster at the end of the year, and after year three when he lost his 3rd straight bowl game to prove for sure he could NEVER win the big one. Especially knowing he never won big anywhere before. Jimmy's record at Oklahoma State was NOT impressive.

They then drove Erikson out of town for not being Jimmy Johnson. And the ****** gimmicky offense he saddled us with. Especially knowing he never won big anywhere before. Dennis's prior coaching record was NOT impressive. So, he only won to start purely because of Jimmy's players.

The worst hate (worse than Coker, Shannon and Golden hate combined) was for Butch Davis turning us from a team playing for the national championship against nebraska in the orange bowl under Erikson, to a NATIONAL JOKE. With a roster with hall of famers on it, before sanctions kicked in, Butch got the canes thumped by ucla in the opener, and a bunch of 8-3 records. Then a friggin LOSING RECORD. Butch was, to the crowd, the worst coach to ever blow a whistle--- until he left.

Richt is in very good company (Johnson, Erikson and Davis).
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I’m only here to stand up for my boy Dennis Erickson. His tenure was nothing like Richt. People have hated on him afterwards for leaving the program in a bad state, but at the time he was a hero. He won a natty in his first season.

1989 FINAL AP #1
1990 FINAL AP #3
1991 FINAL AP #1
1992 FINAL AP #3
1993 FINAL AP #15
1994 FINAL AP #6

CMR has nothing on that record. Also, when Jimmy Johnson struggled in the beginning we had only ever won one national title. Our schedule was also considerable more difficult. We usually played 3 or 4 SEC games in the 80’s along with a nearly undefeated FSU and Notre Dame every single year.
 
Rellyrell said:
Ridicule yes; the OP said Richt was in good company. The hate for Butch is only comparable b/c we were entitled and his regime mirrored nothing like his predecessors. But again, to compare Butch to Richt is still incoherent b/c Butch came in after the Pell Grant scandal and Miami was his first coaching gig. Richt came to us fresh from a relatively successful coaching career in the toughest conference in America after 15 yrs.

There is no comparison as to the two. ****, every spoiled fan base has had something to say even for the most successful of coaches. Have u seen what OSU fans have been saying about Urb lately? Have u seen what Bama fans have said about lil Nicky when he’s lost a National Title game of lost to Auburn? ****, while my Chicago Bears are winning, I’m criticizing Coach Nagy.

Would they or I trade in those coaches, though? **** no! The b*tching is apart of being a fan. We expect perfection in a imperfect system. But what majority of the fans feel for Richt is what USC fans feel for Helton; have no business being here and get him the fck away from my program. That’s the difference. Criticizing is one thing, but there’s a real dislike brewing for Richt for a number of reasons.
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Not comparing butch to cmr time here.but those 15 yrs prior to cmr were worse than what the sanctions did to butch.if you can't see it then I'm sorry there's a lot that escapes your imagination.you'd have to be an idiot not to accept the fact in 2015-2016 we were nowhere near a decent football team.cmr wasn't the reason it was in that position then..and we all knew it'd take 2-3 good recruiting classes to get us back .you and others fail to see it takes time to develop those recruiting classes.am I pleased with cmrs offense no I'm not.we have the weapons but they're still young and growing and we don't have the hogs up front to compete with the big dogs yet.
 
Twhizman said:
Not comparing butch to cmr time here.but those 15 yrs prior to cmr were worse than what the sanctions did to butch.if you can't see it then I'm sorry there's a lot that escapes your imagination.you'd have to be an idiot not to accept the fact in 2015-2016 we were nowhere near a decent football team.cmr wasn't the reason it was in that position then..and we all knew it'd take 2-3 good recruiting classes to get us back .you and others fail to see it takes time to develop those recruiting classes.am I pleased with cmrs offense no I'm not.we have the weapons but they're still young and growing and we don't have the hogs up front to compete with the big dogs yet.
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No offense; but this is a bunch a bull chit. Maybe a lot escapes ur memory, but my memory is solid as fck b/c I created an OP outlining just how Golden did so much less w more than any coach in America and I tediously outlined who we had position by position, including their national rank of each player compared to other teams.

Richt inherited:
Kaaya (# 7 pro-style QB in the nation)
Walton (# 10 RB in the nation)
Trevor Darling (# 9 OT in the nation)
KC McDermott (# 3 OT in the nation)
Danny Isadora (# 19 OG in the nation)
Tyree St Louis (# 19 OT in the nation)
Stacey Coley (# 7 WR in the the nation)
Ahmmon Richards (originally recruited by Golden # 27 WR in the nation)
David NJoku & Chris Herndon
Braxton Berrios

Let’s stop acting like Richt inherited trash. He didn’t walk in to a “whoa is me” situation. He had a lot of nice pieces and u can look no further than the defense. If any side of the ball was maligned during Golden’s tenure, it was the defensive side of the ball, not the offense and it appears Manny did just fine.
 
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Rellyrell said:
No offense; but this is a bunch a bull chit. Maybe a lot escapes ur memory, but my memory is solid as fck b/c I created an OP outlining just how Golden did so much less w more than any coach in America and I tediously outlined who we had position by position, including their national rank of each player compared to other teams.

Richt inherited:
Kaaya (# 7 pro-style QB in the nation)
Walton (# 10 RB in the nation)
Trevor Darling (# 9 OT in the nation)
KC McDermott (# 3 OT in the nation)
Danny Isadora (# 19 OG in the nation)
Tyree St Louis (# 19 OT in the nation)
Stacey Coley (# 7 WR in the the nation)
Ahmmon Richards (originally recruited by Golden # 27 WR in the nation)
David NJoku & Chris Herndon
Braxton Berrios

Let’s stop acting like Richt inherited trash. He didn’t walk in to a “whoa is me” situation. He had a lot of nice pieces and u can look no further than the defense. If any side of the ball was maligned during Golden’s tenure, it was the defensive side of the ball, not the offense and it appears Manny did just fine.
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Using your logic makes cmr a better coach.golden was hard pressed to win 6 games with that bunch.cmrs first crack with that bunch he went 8-4.and there many games on tv in 2016 showing golden leftover oline getting thrown around like rag dolls on a weekly basis.
 
Twhizman said:
Using your logic makes cmr a better coach.golden was hard pressed to win 6 games with that bunch.cmrs first crack with that bunch he went 8-4.and there many games on tv in 2016 showing golden leftover oline getting thrown around like rag dolls on a weekly basis.
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That’s y I’ve said Golden did less w more. However, Richt is following suit. Each yr under his system, we’ve gotten statically worst on offense. EVERY year. So while Golden’s team spread it open for the opposition on defense, Richt’s teams have kept their legs closed on offense.

P.S, even Golden didn’t go 3 straight years losing 4 straight games.
 
Rellyrell said:
That’s y I’ve said Golden did less w more. However, Richt is following suit. Each yr under his system, we’ve gotten statically worst on offense. EVERY year. So while Golden’s team spread it open for the opposition on defense, Richt’s teams have kept their legs closed on offense.

P.S, even Golden didn’t go 3 straight years losing 4 straight games.
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No he lost more I believe.didn't we go at four years of his tenure just trying to be bowl eligible on the last two games during that time.I'm not taking up for cmr nor bashing golden.I'm just tired of the mediocre b.s. like everyone else.but I also know to build a lasting winning foundation doesn't happen overnight.last 15 years have done more harm than the sanctions ever did.people around here are gonna have to realize it's going to take another Howard type of attitude coach to get us back.like the state of Miami system Howard employed years ago.and us fans are gonna have to be patient and actually help the new coach or the current coach.time to put our differences aside come together and fix this mess and get back on track.I don't want any other team knocking bama off that perch and replacing them as the best but the canes.I'm old school with an attitude do what it takes to win if it's done the right way so we don't have go through this crap again.
 
Twhizman said:
No he lost more I believe.didn't we go at four years of his tenure just trying to be bowl eligible on the last two games during that time.I'm not taking up for cmr nor bashing golden.I'm just tired of the mediocre b.s. like everyone else.but I also know to build a lasting winning foundation doesn't happen overnight.last 15 years have done more harm than the sanctions ever did.people around here are gonna have to realize it's going to take another Howard type of attitude coach to get us back.like the state of Miami system Howard employed years ago.and us fans are gonna have to be patient and actually help the new coach or the current coach.time to put our differences aside come together and fix this mess and get back on track.I don't want any other team knocking bama off that perch and replacing them as the best but the canes.I'm old school with an attitude do what it takes to win if it's done the right way so we don't have go through this crap again.
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I can definitely dig this, fam!
 
Gulfcoastcanefan said:
Pure bull****- fans loved the idea of a jj protege taking over the program and saving it from the smoldering wreckage Errickson had left- and from what I’ve been told by older canes fans- they hated Errickson right from the start-they knew that he only won with jj players- by the way your “avatar” has an EXTREMELY punchable face
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You're either just making things up or just don't know anything. Most of the fanbase thought Miami could do better than bringing in a Dline coach to be the head coach here. It didn't take long for the fanbase to turn on Butch. He got smoked by UCLA in his first game. The banners flew at the Orange Bowl not much later.
 
Rellyrell said:
Wtf is this OP about?? I’m tired of these stupid comparisons.

Nobody hated Jimmy; he just wasn’t Schnelly. Schnelly JUST led us to our 1st national championship, ever, and then he bounced. That hurt many fans. Then comes JJ, and it felt like wtf??! (I was too young at this time, but the old heads schooled me on the history & their feelings) That was for HIS FIRST YR here. Clearly, the program continued to ASCEND year to year under JJ’s watch. JJ went, if I’m not mistaken, 52-9 in FIVE YEARS. (Richt is now 26-12 here in only year 3)

Ppl didn’t hate Erickson, it’s just that he wasn’t JJ, and JJ had us humming. (Personally I was ****ed, b/c it was during JJ’s era that I became a Cane). But Erickson won a title his VERY first yr, so why in the fck would we hate him?? We were in the hunt **** near every year w Erickson:
1989: National Champs
1990: went 10-2 smoked Texas (Cotton Bowl)
1991: National Champs
1992: played for National Championship
1993: (his worst year at 9-3 and got ran through in the Fiesta Bowl)
1994: played for National Championship

As I’ve mentioned to ad-nauseum, with Butch here, he took over the program w a black eye and stained rep. Our expectations were unrealistic and unfair, and yes, he was hated simply b/c we were spoiled w success from the other coaches.
We had just won 4 titles in 11 yrs, and arguably could’ve won 7 in 11 yrs had Vinny not thrown that game in 86, the refs not hosed us in 88, and Costa could freggin complete a pass for 6 yrds in 94! (Sorry still ****ed)

**** Yeah we were upset that we were winning just 8 games under Butch! However, hindsight being 20/20, Butch was just a 1st yr head coach, as well, w no prior head coaching experience, unlike JJ or D.E.

So for u to say Richt is in good company with those aforementioned coaches is laughable. JJ went from going 8-5 in yr 1, to 10-2 in yr 2, to playing for a national championship in YEAR 3, to WINNING IT ALL by year 4.

D.E got us a chip in yr 1 & yr 3 and played for two additional championships in 92 and 94!!!!

Butch went 4-0 in bowl games w half a team, and was a 1st yr head coach w sanctions, while in interim, constructing the greatest NCAA team ever, peppering the NFL w superstar after superstar even during the lean years.

Slap ur self!
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While the points listed in your post are correct, you are not correct by saying that JJ, Dennis or Butch we’re not hated. I was there and lived through the fan base turning on all three of them. No one is questioning their ultimate results, and the fact that each of them contributed significantly to our history and championship legacy. But for you to claim that they weren’t the subject of massive amounts of fan-based hatred is just not true.
 
Rellyrell said:
No offense; but this is a bunch a bull chit. Maybe a lot escapes ur memory, but my memory is solid as fck b/c I created an OP outlining just how Golden did so much less w more than any coach in America and I tediously outlined who we had position by position, including their national rank of each player compared to other teams.

Richt inherited:
Kaaya (# 7 pro-style QB in the nation)
Walton (# 10 RB in the nation)
Trevor Darling (# 9 OT in the nation)
KC McDermott (# 3 OT in the nation)
Danny Isadora (# 19 OG in the nation)
Tyree St Louis (# 19 OT in the nation)
Stacey Coley (# 7 WR in the the nation)
Ahmmon Richards (originally recruited by Golden # 27 WR in the nation)
David NJoku & Chris Herndon
Braxton Berrios

Let’s stop acting like Richt inherited trash. He didn’t walk in to a “whoa is me” situation. He had a lot of nice pieces and u can look no further than the defense. If any side of the ball was maligned during Golden’s tenure, it was the defensive side of the ball, not the offense and it appears Manny did just fine.
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Agree. This narrative that Richt was handed the worst roster in school history is false. Heck he had his best offensive season here with the majority if not all of Golden's players. He still rode off Golden's players last year and this last season. Kaaya is probably the best QB he had here and it wasn't even his player. Been mismanaging the QB situation since.
 
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Go Canes!! said:
There’s a lot of selective memory and toning down of how bad it got for jimmy and truly horrible it was for Butch in this post.

After three years here Jimmy was 0-3 in bowls and had just gotten thoroughly out coached by Paterno with s team most were calling the greatest in college football history. It was definitely made worse by the whole camouflage fiasco.

And Butch’s job was literally on death watch on a game to game basis. They blew that Penn State game in the rain, then lost to unranked ECU and FSU again. By the time they lost to VT by 30+ he’d gone 0-10 against our biggest rivals, with the majority of the losses by blowout. Just about everyone thought he’d be gone that Monday.

Banners were flying, people were cursing his every move at home games and ripping him daily on sports radio.
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This right here. It’s funny to me how rosy everything looks in hindsight. Do I think Richt is bringing us a title? Probably not, at least without significant changes to the O... but guess what, we all know that, I’d bet he knows that too. Does that mean he’ll change? Who knows, maybe not, everyone knows going to the gym is good for you but that doesn’t mean everyone does it, that’s human nature.

The past always looks better, **** there are clowns on here saying things are worse now than with Golden and Shannon which is an absolute joke. Human nature is to glorify the past and project hopes to the future, it’s the reason the olden times and backup QBs are always popular on message boards.
 
MiamiMD93 said:
While the points listed in your post are correct, you are not correct by saying that JJ, Dennis or Butch we’re not hated. I was there and lived through the fan base turning on all three of them. No one is questioning their ultimate results, and the fact that each of them contributed significantly to our history and championship legacy. But for you to claim that they weren’t the subject of massive amounts of fan-based hatred is just not true.
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So ur saying our fans hated Jimmy, and D.E? Not question them, I’m taking about hate.

Again, from what I’ve been told by many older fans, they were quite upset w JJ. He received that Tom Cable treatment when Al announced him as coach of the Raiders. Lol. I wasn’t there, this what I was told. But during D.E’s tenure, I don’t recall hate. I recall frustration, annoyance in certain moments. Butch, I know it was hate. I wanted him gone, too; but as I said, hind sight is 20/20 w Butch. He didn’t deserve all that smoke.

What we’ve experienced w Shannon, Golden and now Richt is on a totally different level and you can’t convince me otherwise. I may have been too young to really understand what fans felt about JJ, being that I came around right when he won his first in 87, but the only comparable past coach that’s been bashed this hard is Butch, imo.
 
Rellyrell said:
the only comparable past coach that’s been bashed this hard is Butch, imo.
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You lose a lot of credibility for your original post and this follow up reply with that last sentence. If you’ve been a fan since 1987, as you claim, then you have either not been paying attention or are not being honest. Did you happen to notice how our fan base turned on Coker, Shannon and Golden? Did you take a year off when we were embarrassed at the last game in the OB and the fan base was out for blood? Or how about Golden’s last game against Clemson...or really most of the games Golden and D’onofrio botched?

If you honestly believe that only Butch and Richt have been bashed this hard by Miami fans, then with all due respect, you are truly mistaken.

I’m not trying to be mean, but I get frustrated by revisionist history.
 
I, unfortunately or fortunately, can remember Schnellenberger. Every Miami coach since has had moments where the fan base was doubtful about them. With JJ, it was after year one and then his inability to win the big game until ‘87. With Erickson, he started strong then faded over time. With Butch, he was being called Botch before turning it around in 2000. The fan base had doubts about the parade of mediocrity we had from Coker to Golden from day one. I don’t know whether Richt is the guy or not to bring us back. I am willing to give it more time with him. I know one thing: our better coaches looked much better when they had their players in place and that takes 4-5 years. That was true of Schnellenberger, JJ, and Butch. The coaches that struggled faded over time.... Erikson, Coker, Shannon, and Golden all gradually lost traction. I think next year is a huge year for Richt. His offense has to show progress, and his defense can’t regress much....
 
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