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Who was hated more: Johnson, Erikson or Davis?

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Rellyrell said:
Wtf is this OP about?? I’m tired of these stupid comparisons.

Nobody hated Jimmy; he just wasn’t Schnelly. Schnelly JUST led us to our 1st national championship, ever, and then he bounced. That hurt many fans. Then comes JJ, and it felt like wtf??! (I was too young at this time, but the old heads schooled me on the history & their feelings) That was for HIS FIRST YR here. Clearly, the program continued to ASCEND year to year under JJ’s watch. JJ went, if I’m not mistaken, 52-9 in FIVE YEARS. (Richt is now 26-12 here in only year 3)

Ppl didn’t hate Erickson, it’s just that he wasn’t JJ, and JJ had us humming. (Personally I was ****ed, b/c it was during JJ’s era that I became a Cane). But Erickson won a title his VERY first yr, so why in the fck would we hate him?? We were in the hunt **** near every year w Erickson:
1989: National Champs
1990: went 10-2 smoked Texas (Cotton Bowl)
1991: National Champs
1992: played for National Championship
1993: (his worst year at 9-3 and got ran through in the Fiesta Bowl)
1994: played for National Championship

As I’ve mentioned to ad-nauseum, with Butch here, he took over the program w a black eye and stained rep. Our expectations were unrealistic and unfair, and yes, he was hated simply b/c we were spoiled w success from the other coaches.
We had just won 4 titles in 11 yrs, and arguably could’ve won 7 in 11 yrs had Vinny not thrown that game in 86, the refs not hosed us in 88, and Costa could freggin complete a pass for 6 yrds in 94! (Sorry still ****ed)

**** Yeah we were upset that we were winning just 8 games under Butch! However, hindsight being 20/20, Butch was just a 1st yr head coach, as well, w no prior head coaching experience, unlike JJ or D.E.

So for u to say Richt is in good company with those aforementioned coaches is laughable. JJ went from going 8-5 in yr 1, to 10-2 in yr 2, to playing for a national championship in YEAR 3, to WINNING IT ALL by year 4.

D.E got us a chip in yr 1 & yr 3 and played for two additional championships in 92 and 94!!!!

Butch went 4-0 in bowl games w half a team, and was a 1st yr head coach w sanctions, while in interim, constructing the greatest NCAA team ever, peppering the NFL w superstar after superstar even during the lean years.

Slap ur self!
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I've read on this message board countless times where Herd members attacked Dennis Erickson. ****, on this very thread a Herd member (Newyorkstateofmind) has declared that Erickson was "Crap".
 
Mike Thot said:
The hate was at an all time high after the UDub game.
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Agreed. The general sentiment was that "If this guy can't win with the most talented team in America, he needs to go".
 
ThomasM said:
We did not play for the title in 94. Had every other bowl game gone our way we would have had a shot. They didn’t, so even if we beat Nebraska we were not winning a title.
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Could’ve sworn that 94 OB would’ve given us a share...but I think PSU went undefeated that yr too, so u maybe right. Probably would’ve finished #2 instead of # 1.
 
DTP said:
There was still an outside shot at a title had Miami won because back then, they just voted on the National Champion since it was rarely determined on the field in a "championship game" type scenario. Still it would have been a long shot to jump an undefeated Penn State team.
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Right.
 
NVA CANE said:
OP sounds like a real blast to be around. No loss or losses are too great to ruffle his feathers.

He’s not insane, he’s super, composed fan.
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I have found that people who just wine and complain and make every little thing the biggest tragedy ever are people nobody wants to be around. So yes, someone who is up beat and positive no matter what is going around really is a blast to be around. All the mopes just drag everyone down. It is not interesting. It is not witty. It doesn't make anything better. It just drives people away and out of their lives.

I can understand getting frustrated and letting off steam. Though that is only a brief moment where that is acceptable. You have an hour to maybe a day to blow of the steam then get over it and move on. You don't get a lifetime to just cry and complain.
 
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lurk said:
The vocal group wanted Jimmy Johnson fired in year 1 for the disaster at the end of the year, and after year three when he lost his 3rd straight bowl game to prove for sure he could NEVER win the big one. Especially knowing he never won big anywhere before. Jimmy's record at Oklahoma State was NOT impressive.

They then drove Erikson out of town for not being Jimmy Johnson. And the ****** gimmicky offense he saddled us with. Especially knowing he never won big anywhere before. Dennis's prior coaching record was NOT impressive. So, he only won to start purely because of Jimmy's players.

The worst hate (worse than Coker, Shannon and Golden hate combined) was for Butch Davis turning us from a team playing for the national championship against nebraska in the orange bowl under Erikson, to a NATIONAL JOKE. With a roster with hall of famers on it, before sanctions kicked in, Butch got the canes thumped by ucla in the opener, and a bunch of 8-3 records. Then a friggin LOSING RECORD. Butch was, to the crowd, the worst coach to ever blow a whistle--- until he left.

Richt is in very good company (Johnson, Erikson and Davis).
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Hey so when those other coaches struggled, did they do anything to improve the situation?
Go look at their staff changes... which there were.

Comparing richt At year 3, refusing to make changes... and these other coaches, who did what they needed to do, isn’t valid. The only valid comparison is to al golden.

People want richt fired because he refuses to even try. Just like al golden.
 
Twhizman said:
All that is true but the fan base did ridicule JJ,Erickson and butch.our fan base is hard on coaches and always has been op was just saying what was the truth it's some of our fans who need to be slapped for being so shortsighted and expecting everything to run perfect with no hiccups.life will always have its ups and downs just need to learn how to deal with it.
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Ridicule yes; the OP said Richt was in good company. The hate for Butch is only comparable b/c we were entitled and his regime mirrored nothing like his predecessors. But again, to compare Butch to Richt is still incoherent b/c Butch came in after the Pell Grant scandal and Miami was his first coaching gig. Richt came to us fresh from a relatively successful coaching career in the toughest conference in America after 15 yrs.

There is no comparison as to the two. ****, every spoiled fan base has had something to say even for the most successful of coaches. Have u seen what OSU fans have been saying about Urb lately? Have u seen what Bama fans have said about lil Nicky when he’s lost a National Title game of lost to Auburn? ****, while my Chicago Bears are winning, I’m criticizing Coach Nagy.

Would they or I trade in those coaches, though? **** no! The b*tching is apart of being a fan. We expect perfection in a imperfect system. But what majority of the fans feel for Richt is what USC fans feel for Helton; have no business being here and get him the fck away from my program. That’s the difference. Criticizing is one thing, but there’s a real dislike brewing for Richt for a number of reasons.
 
nystateofmind said:
They’re actually quite delicious.

Kenneth’s cousin gave me the recipe.
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Yes, I understand you are relying on facts and honesty, but we both know those are two characteristics not permitted on this message board.

I suspect you are going to receive an avalanche of downvotes and derogatory comments.

Save yourself, your reputation, and your Herd/Mob/Groupthinkers membership, post a list of things you hate about Miami football....immediately!!
 
1mg of Epi said:
Hey so when those other coaches struggled, did they do anything to improve the situation?
Go look at their staff changes... which there were.

Comparing richt At year 3, refusing to make changes... and these other coaches, who did what they needed to do, isn’t valid. The only valid comparison is to al golden.

People want richt fired because he refuses to even try. Just like al golden.
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Thank you!!! Like these dopes don’t get the difference!
 
DTP said:
There was still an outside shot at a title had Miami won because back then, they just voted on the National Champion since it was rarely determined on the field in a "championship game" type scenario. Still it would have been a long shot to jump an undefeated Penn State team.
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Impossible to jump Penn State. Just would not have happened.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Could’ve sworn that 94 OB would’ve given us a share...but I think PSU went undefeated that yr too, so u maybe right. Probably would’ve finished #2 instead of # 1.
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Out only shot was PSU losing, and they didn’t. That’s why I can’t say we played for the title, when even had we won we wouldn’t have won the title. Now, the Sugar Bowl against UT was different. Had we won that game we probably would have won the title, since we beat OU in the regular season, convincingly.
 
Go Canes!! said:
There’s a lot of selective memory and toning down of how bad it got for jimmy and truly horrible it was for Butch in this post.

After three years here Jimmy was 0-3 in bowls and had just gotten thoroughly out coached by Paterno with s team most were calling the greatest in college football history. It was definitely made worse by the whole camouflage fiasco.

And Butch’s job was literally on death watch on a game to game basis. They blew that Penn State game in the rain, then lost to unranked ECU and FSU again. By the time they lost to VT by 30+ he’d gone 0-10 against our biggest rivals, with the majority of the losses by blowout. Just about everyone thought he’d be gone that Monday.

Banners were flying, people were cursing his every move at home games and ripping him daily on sports radio.
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Not disagreeing w this at all. Recall, I didn’t become a fan until I was 5 yrs old in 87 after Miami curbed stomped ND. (First CFB game ever watched). Just chatting it up w old school fans who have followed the program since before many on here were born; I got the sense it wasn’t hate, per say, but utter frustration b/c, as one fan described it, it felt like a hanging carrot in front of them.

As I stated w Butch, the hate was real. Count this young man in that group that hated him; but, I’m saying we can’t compare Butch to Richt, b/c in reality, there was no real reason to hate Butch IF we looked at the big picture while he was here (1st yr head coach taking over a team faced w a step below the NCAA death penalty).

Richt came to us as our most “decorated” coach ever. He’s making the most money any coach has ever made. ****, he’s making the most money he’s ever made! 15 yrs of coaching. 15 yrs of coaching in the SEC! 15 yrs of coaching, and we are looking more & more like a mom & pops operation (LITERALLY) than we ever have in yr 3. THAT’S the difference.
 
ThomasM said:
Out only shot was PSU losing, and they didn’t. That’s why I can’t say we played for the title, when even had we won we wouldn’t have won the title. Now, the Sugar Bowl against UT was different. Had we won that game we probably would have won the title, since we beat OU in the regular season, convincingly.
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Yes sir. U are correct.
 
Rellyrell said:
Ridicule yes; the OP said Richt was in good company. The hate for Butch is only comparable b/c we were entitled and his regime mirrored nothing like his predecessors. But again, to compare Butch to Richt is still incoherent b/c Butch came in after the Pell Grant scandal...

You Herd members despised Al Golden and swore up and down that he destroyed Canes football and suggested it might not be salvageable due to all the damage he created. Many of you "experts" claimed during Golden's tenure that if it could be salvaged it might take 10 years to undo the destruction he created.

Question; who did Mark Richt follow?
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