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Who are your starters for a Miami all time team?

TheMatador said:
I remember how good they were at Miami. Where did I imply otherwise. I also remember that not everyone of those players had a good pro career. Willis Peguese was not good in the NFL. He was a journeyman at best. He started five games in four years with a total of two career sacks. Shane Curry might have been on his way to a very good career but it was tragically cut short and Jimmie Jones did have a very good career. Another player on that '89 team I forgot to mention was Greg Mark who was a monster pass rusher in college but was a tweener (at best) and was misused by Bill Parcells at the NYG who tried him at nose guard.
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forgot entirely about Greg Mark, man did we have some talent
 
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TheMatador said:
When you say "Their guys" it suggests that different generation has their "favorites," which implies it is based on attitude, and not actual performance.

You have to judge a player by their performance given the context. I have gotten into it in the comments on Youtube of some highlight films of Jim Brown. You have all these people saying Jim Brown would be so great today. Well, I'm skeptical. Look at the competition, the defenses. I see relatively small, weak, slow defensive players trying to tackle him. Somebody pointed out that the typical defensive lineman from the late '50's, early '60's, was around 230 lbs. I'll be a good number were under six feet, too. I remember the sizes of the UM teams in the early sixties. A big offensive lineman might be 235 lbs. That was very big in the era that our great George Mira played. Do you think we were stacked with WRs and DBs running typically 4.4-4.5's?

Some of our teams in the early sixties had offensive linemen under 200--I think our starting center Bob Hart was 195. He competed for a position with Bob Dental who was a big 220. I remember when some of the great Bear Bryant teams of the early '60's had DL's well under 200. But they were known for speed and fierceness.

So, when you judge who was the "greatest" all time UM players, you should consider in terms of the era. Don Bosseler was exceptional for his era. He rose above most with whom and against whom he played.

Many of today's players come in with much better physical attributes, people grow bigger, faster and stronger these days, and then they have better training, nutrition and medical care and rehabilitation. A friend who played on the very good Hurricane defenses of the mid-late '60's told me that weight training was not "compulsory", it was voluntary. A good number probably did not lift. When I was in high school, some coaches did not believe in weights because it was thought you got too tight and "muscle-bound." The latter is a word you never hear anymore.
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" you should consider in terms of the era"
What you wrote right there is all my quote meant... Not sure if the rest of what you wrote had anything to do with what I wrote but appreciate the response...
 
Ethnicsands said:
If you go by nfl career only, you can say it’s armstead. If you go by UM career, he’s not in the discussion and it’s not close. If you want to use some combined stamdard, have at it. But at UM, Armstead isn’t there. And if you want to judge UM LBs on pro outcomes, don’t think Jessie starts either.
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Maaannnnnnn Darrin Smith could cover opposing teams #1 WR without losing a step....Fastest UM LBer EVER.....
 
Another wayyyyyyyyy underated LBer was Jay Brophy...UMs only 1st team AA on the 83 Title team....Dude could Thump with the best....thats coming from a teammate who I'm super close friends with....
 
Based on NFL, interestkng to look at the 3-4 we could roll out. If Sapp could play a strahan-like SDE, would be a ridiculous DL. Leaving out the Dan Conners name because ain’t no one here old enough to have seen him play.

3-4

DEs: Campbell, Sapp
NG: Wilfork
OLBs: Hendricks, Armstead
ILBs: Lewis, Morgan

4-3

DEs: Campbell. Edwards
DTs: Sapp, Kennedy/JB
LBs: Lewis, Hendricks, Armstead
 
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CashMoneyCane said:
Gotta be fair here... the Miami bias wasn't in full effect pre-Blades but definitely was after. Both Reed and Taylor were absolutely robbed of the Thorpe. And we know what Taylor's career would have looked like if he lived. Dude was a hands down first-ballot Hall of Famer in the making.
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Bennie was also named to SI, yes that SI, All Century team. Even with the clear bias they couldn’t deny Benny’s greatness at UM, enough so that he was named to SI’s college football all century team.

it starts and ends there with any discussion of all time secondary, Benny is on it
 
Ne noe...SeanTay
Fzac75 said:
Bennie was also named to SI, yes that SI, All Century team. Even with the clear bias they couldn’t deny Benny’s greatness at UM, enough so that he was named to SI’s college football all century team.

it starts and ends there with any discussion of all time secondary, Benny is on it
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Bennie...SeanTay and Reed belong in the same breath....
 
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Also The Mad Stork, any discussion of all time team at UM starts and ends with Ted Hendricks. I wasn’t alive to see him play, but it’s simple math. Be Great + Be So Great That College Football names a **** end of season award after you = no matter what you have seen or haven’t seen you are clearly a locked in member of All Time team no matter what
 
Fzac75 said:
Also The Mad Stork, any discussion of all time team at UM starts and ends with Ted Hendricks. I wasn’t alive to see him play, but it’s simple math. Be Great + Be So Great That College Football names a **** end of season award after you = no matter what you have seen or haven’t seen you are clearly a locked in member of All Time team no matter what
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I stated that earlier....
 
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caneinorlando said:
Ne noe...SeanTay

Bennie...SeanTay and Reed belong in the same breath....
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No denying that, I am just using what they did and accomplishments while at UM. And Bennie was the most decorated and honored of the 3. From a level of dominance they were all on the same stage. My ranking would be this
Physical talent
ST26(head and shoulder #1) then Bennie then E Reed
Field General (QB on the field)
E Reed then Bennie then ST26
Overall combo of these two skills
Bennie then E Reed then ST26
 
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Ethnicsands said:
I already said on UM accomplishments, I take Reed and Bennie.

But at the same time, if we were drafting from scratch for a new UM team, I'm taking ST all day every day.
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What a beautiful problem to have if that were the case lol
 
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