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Ironmanfootball said:
Top 10 O and D without:
Fletcher, Mauigoa, Daniels, Bain, Mesidor, Blay, Bissainthe, Bell, and Scott?

I'm not even sure if they land a big name QB after this Beck mess. But CREAM should win out.

They need 4 transfer portal OL, 4 DL, 2 ILB, 2-3 DBs, 2-3 WR's, TE, RB, PK and QB. That's ~20 more transfers in January and I'd assume a new OC
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I’m not going to get into this discussion now but if you can, go back and find the threads from the day of/after the pop tart bowl last year. The consensus here is we’d be 6-6, at best.

It’s college football. **** changes rapidly. If Mario is good for literally one thing, it’s putting a good roster together and having a respectable football team. Lotta holes to fill, but so does everyone else. We’ll talk this 7000000x times in the off-season though. For now, we have a third of a football season to play. I look forward to these 12 days way too much for months to spend time thinking about 2026 right now.
 
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Alex_Dynamix said:
Mario wouldn’t be able to out fyzycal anybody with Dukes roster, he would basically be forced to switch his approach the question Is he even capable of any other philosophy then tuff n physical when it’s not even an option ?…Manny with our roster may be alright at first cause the players would basically run themselves n do whatever they want..Jojo would’ve been out there every week but eventually we would drop a game like FIU where half the starters were hungover from partying the night b4 that’s his culture.
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Hung over vs quitting in OT...

No culture vs. fake culture -- still losses
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I’m not going to get into this discussion now but if you can, go back and find the threads from the day of/after the pop tart bowl last year. The consensus here is we’d be 6-6, at best.

It’s college football. **** changes rapidly. If Mario is good for literally one thing, it’s putting a good roster together and having a respectable football team. Lotta holes to fill, but so does everyone else. We’ll talk this 7000000x times in the off-season though. For now, we have a third of a football season to play. I look forward to these 12 days way too much for months to spend time thinking about 2026 right now.
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The loudest crackheads type the quickest after a Pop-Tart bowl. I predicted 9-3. Here we are. If they're 9-3 I'm right w/ my prediction 4y in a row.
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
they’d both still underachieve if swapped ..but manny is better suited for a school like Duke vs Miami ..Mario would actually be an excellent CEO/Recruiting coordinator as opposed to HC but he’s a better program builder and evaluator then Manny.
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Why do we think he'd be an excellent CEO/Recruiting coordinator given the gap we have, the missed evals and his inability to not micromanage?
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I’m not going to get into this discussion now but if you can, go back and find the threads from the day of/after the pop tart bowl last year. The consensus here is we’d be 6-6, at best.

It’s college football. **** changes rapidly. If Mario is good for literally one thing, it’s putting a good roster together and having a respectable football team. Lotta holes to fill, but so does everyone else. We’ll talk this 7000000x times in the off-season though. For now, we have a third of a football season to play. I look forward to these 12 days way too much for months to spend time thinking about 2026 right now.
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100% agree. What happens if he changes OC? Do we land some elite kids that we didn’t expect?

My concern is on D. Does heatherman get exposed in year two after coaches have film on him? Do we have a massive drop off after Mesidor and Bain depart? I love the numbers at DL in the 26 class but that likely doesn’t impact play until 28.

The portal at QB, OL, DL will determine a lot in 26.

Now the BIGGEST question. What happens if CiCi, Bell, and Bain come back?
 
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Ironmanfootball said:
Top 10 O and D without:
Fletcher, Mauigoa, Daniels, Bain, Mesidor, Blay, Bissainthe, Bell, and Scott?

I'm not even sure if they land a big name QB after this Beck mess. But CREAM should win out.

They need 4 transfer portal OL, 4 DL, 2 ILB, 2-3 DBs, 2-3 WR's, TE, RB, PK and QB. That's ~20 more transfers in January and I'd assume a new OC
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Just remember, Mario’s strength is talent acquisition. At some point, he will just amass so much talent that all the incessant pre-snap penalties and head-scratching in-game coaching decisions won’t even matter.
 
Angry Ibis said:
Why do we think he'd be an excellent CEO/Recruiting coordinator given the gap we have, the missed evals and his inability to not micromanage?
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CEO meaning we can hire a Xs and Os guy like yall savior Lane kiffin n let Mario focus on Just building the roster thru the portal and HS..the dude is hard worker at recruiting and has good evaluations in my eyes, the 2025 class wasn’t ranked that high but we have the best freshman in the country and multiple young guys contributing..I’ll never forget playing Clemson when Manny was HC and we looked like a JV squad going against Varsity we didn’t even belong on the same field as them..those days are over (for now)
 
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Memnon said:
Quick question:

Does anybody think the Offense would look this bad with Cam at QB?

Exact same roster as is, just replace Beck with Cam, we still getting the same results?
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Oh sure yeah we would be scoring a lot more points

But the point of offense isn’t scoring points if you need all that high flying Hero Ball nonsense. Be a man and run it up the middle or gtfo
 
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Calinative said:
The 15th Ed 1st down is exactly why I say 10+ yards or FURTHER than 1st down lol.

And you pointed to 3 (2 excluding that one I intentionally excluded because it was a 3rd and 15), when you also said the jojo drop pick was like at beginning of 2nd lol.
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A 16 yd pass on 3rd & 15 is both further than 10 yds + the 1st Down. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.

Our 1st play after the Jojo INT was a 14 yd pass (14 in the air) to Toney.

We had 6-7 easily over 10+ yd passes after the INT. 20+ yds would be different. We weren't taking any deep shots, but it wasn't all dink & dunk.

STILL...

The Defense in the 2nd Half gave up drives of 79, 69, 50 & 44 yds. They shouldn't get a pass.
 
bshaw28 said:
A 16 yd pass on 3rd & 15 is both further than 10 yds + the 1st Down. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.

Our 1st play after the Jojo INT was a 14 yd pass (14 in the air) to Toney.

We had 6-7 easily over 10+ yd passes after the INT. 20+ yds would be different. We weren't taking any deep shots, but it wasn't all dink & dunk.

STILL...

The Defense in the 2nd Half gave up drives of 79, 69, 50 & 44 yds. They shouldn't get a pass.
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I thought we missed Wes bad. Hope he plays today. That one outside WR killed us, but they feasted on getting out LBers in space.
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
CEO meaning we can hire a Xs and Os guy like yall savior Lane kiffin n let Mario focus on Just building the roster thru the portal and HS..the dude is hard worker at recruiting and has good evaluations in my eyes, the 2025 class wasn’t ranked that high but we have the best freshman in the country and multiple young guys contributing..I’ll never forget playing Clemson when Manny was HC and we looked like a JV squad going against Varsity we didn’t even belong on the same field as them..those days are over (for now)
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The problem is Manny as a first time HC is the bar vs. say .... Kiffin ... No coach is perfect, but Lane is a better head coach than Mario and "working hard" to underachieve is not a pass because he "cares" and "works hard"

If Mario had the record here that Lane has at Ole Miss it would be extension time, plans for the statue in the works... and one is doing it against the SEC and is the hottest coaching name in the country --- the other is in the ACC with a worse conference record than Manny Diaz and not one team, fan base or pundit is even suggesting him for the close to 20 open jobs... and before someone jumps on the they know he won't leave -- that NEVER stopped us from throwing out names at other schools that wouldn't leave either -- and no one, not one is looking at Mario from outside the program as a go get that guy coach...
 
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flips said:
I thought we missed Wes bad. Hope he plays today. That one outside WR killed us, but they feasted on getting out LBers in space.
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Jennings threw for 365 yds (career high)
Hudson caught 11 for 136 yds (career high)

They had zero run game and were completely one-dimensional with the pass.

And they still tore us up. Frustrating.
 
Ironmanfootball said:
Top 10 O and D without:
Fletcher, Mauigoa, Daniels, Bain, Mesidor, Blay, Bissainthe, Bell, and Scott?

I'm not even sure if they land a big name QB after this Beck mess. But CREAM should win out.

They need 4 transfer portal OL, 4 DL, 2 ILB, 2-3 DBs, 2-3 WR's, TE, RB, PK and QB. That's ~20 more transfers in January and I'd assume a new OC
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In year 5 of the best OL guru’s in the country….

Snl Season 47 GIF by Saturday Night Live
 
bshaw28 said:
Jennings threw for 365 yds (career high)
Hudson caught 11 for 136 yds (career high)

They had zero run game and were completely one-dimensional with the pass.

And they still tore us up. Frustrating.
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Yes, believe they had 7 or 8 plays of 20+ yards in 68 plays. They also just missed a huge play had the RB caught the 3rd down swing pass midway through the 3rd. Defense has been very good this year, but we still haven't fixed the problem from last year of giving up explosives like halloween candy to trick-or-treaters. We don't have much depth, the injury bug is beginning to bite, and I'm pretty sure Bain is exhausted. Hopefully the second half and OT of the SMU game isn't a sign of things to come for the rest of the year with the defense.
 
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Angry Ibis said:
The problem is Manny as a first time HC is the bar vs. say .... Kiffin ... No coach is perfect, but Lane is a better head coach than Mario and "working hard" to underachieve is not a pass because he "cares" and "works hard"

If Mario had the record here that Lane has at Ole Miss it would be extension time, plans for the statue in the works... and one is doing it against the SEC and is the hottest coaching name in the country --- the other is in the ACC with a worse conference record than Manny Diaz and not one team, fan base or pundit is even suggesting him for the close to 20 open jobs... and before someone jumps on the they know he won't leave -- that NEVER stopped us from throwing out names at other schools that wouldn't leave either -- and no one, not one is looking at Mario from outside the program as a go get that guy coach...
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Bro I’m not arguing that Mario is a good coach nor am I comparing him to lane Kiffin as a coach, I know mario is subpar on game days..I’m saying our overall football program is in better place then it would be under Manny Diaz.
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
Bro I’m not arguing that Mario is a good coach nor am I comparing him to lane Kiffin as a coach, I know mario is subpar on game days..I’m saying our overall football program is in better place then it would be under Manny Diaz.
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Manny now with Miami's resources or keeping Manny 4 years ago and adding no resources?

Miami Manny being our bar is not the standard we should be striving for -- is my argument.
 
brock said:
Everyone knows what’s wrong with the offense. Oline not blocking good enough in the run game, bad vision on some run plays by the backs, slow pace and Carson beck looking like tvd pt2 with the ints….

However defense side of things since 4th quarter of fsu teams have figured Miami out . And it’s concerning because Louisville found a way to neutralize our dline and that is getting the ball out quick. It doesn’t do us any good to play off coverage when they are getting the ball out fast. That’s just allowing teams like fsu 4th quarter, Louisville and smu to get easy completions because our corners are giving these receivers so much space to make plays
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Yep. It’s hard to fault the defense when compared to the O, but I expected more out of that group in our losses.

SMU moved in chunks when it mattered.

Sure, I’d say we should be able to score such that that the D’s efforts in our losses should be enough to win. But a play here or there by the defense and we win anyway.
 
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