What happened after the UF game?

[MikeCane18]

theyre not the only problem, but theyre a HUGE problem. having good QB play and a leader at that spot goes a long way in hiding your weaknesses. our QB play was horrific along with with the room being a bunch of pussies. along with that, having your QBs either going on leaves or just skipping practices altogether doesnt help. Manny shouldve never let the team vote on JT, JW. the moment JW went AWOL shouldve been it for him. since we dont know the full extent of the TM situation outside of his gf, ill let it be right now.

Nail on head. Look at the 4 playoff teams and great franchises in the NFL. They have unquestioned leadership and production on the field from the QB position. Players gravitate to what they see and when they see a QB room of poor preparation and poor production they checkout. They are a bigger issue coupled with the crap play calling than people want to admit.

 

[canes732]

Ahmmon Richards alluded to players losing motivation to win games on the big 3 roll up podcast after the Florida game. Felt like if we won that game then the season would have been different. Feel like people let losing that game dwell in to the next and that people checked out

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Our ******* players are losers then man. I ******* hate this generation

 

[d--1]

I'm usually one of the last people to want to fire a coach, and one of the last to squarely place blame on a coach, but it's really tough to find anywhere else to place the blame. 0-3 coming off of bye weeks, 0-4 if you count the bowl prep like a bye, 0-5 if you count the first game of the year prep like a bye. It's basically impossible to not place that blame squarely on coaching. Normally, you'd look at a schedule and feel good about any game where a team is coming out of a bye week, and for the 2019 Canes it was the complete opposite. The same issues, whatever those issues were, kept occurring and the coaches, including Diaz, had no idea how to correct them.

I don't think firing Manny, at this point, would necessarily be the right move, but he better find some coaches who can make an immediate difference. I think his being a first year HC was glaring. I don't think he's stubborn in the way Golden and Richt were. I think he badly wants to make it work here and will make tough decisions and do his best to be successful. I'm just not sure his best is going to be good enough.

 

[TheOldU2002]

I’d actually question wtf happened after Louisville, felt like team maybe was going to get out of its malaise and then proceeded to sh*t the bed unlike any other I’ve seen in 30+ watching the canes..a murderer’s row of pitiful losses (FiU, Duke and shut out by la tech)..

We beat three bad teams and people thought we had turned some corner. The suckers fell for it as they always do.

 

[hoops156]

I'm usually one of the last people to want to fire a coach, and one of the last to squarely place blame on a coach, but it's really tough to find anywhere else to place the blame. 0-3 coming off of bye weeks, 0-4 if you count the bowl prep like a bye, 0-5 if you count the first game of the year prep like a bye. It's basically impossible to not place that blame squarely on coaching. Normally, you'd look at a schedule and feel good about any game where a team is coming out of a bye week, and for the 2019 Canes it was the complete opposite. The same issues, whatever those issues were, kept occurring and the coaches, including Diaz, had no idea how to correct them.

I don't think firing Manny, at this point, would necessarily be the right move, but he better find some coaches who can make an immediate difference. I think his being a first year HC was glaring. I don't think he's stubborn in the way Golden and Richt were. I think he badly wants to make it work here and will make tough decisions and do his best to be successful. I'm just not sure his best is going to be good enough.

blowing out the entire staff shows he isnt stubborn by any means. firing your offensive staff after 1 year is admitting you made a mistake. getting rid of rumph is doing what he planned on doing last year but didnt work out with Fran Brown getting the DC job. orgeron looked toast but got the assistant hires right after he messed up with Canada. lets see if manny can do the same. hes only getting another season so we wont have to wait too long to figure out the will he or wont he

 

[Lokest]

It happened after the fsu game for years here, the season after that game was always unpredictable. Nothing new

 

[daherms]

I’d actually question wtf happened after Louisville, felt like team maybe was going to get out of its malaise and then proceeded to sh*t the bed unlike any other I’ve seen in 30+ watching the canes..a murderer’s row of pitiful losses (FiU, Duke and shut out by la tech)..

that game and stretch right before were the most baffling, I was somehow hopeful on the season/team and on Williams. Williams played savior against FSU, then lit up Louisville. We need to know wtf happened in that locker room

 

[caneholic88]

We beat three bad teams and people thought we had turned some corner. The suckers fell for it as they always do.

Didn’t fall for anything, not like I was in the thread screaming I want Bama, but not even manny’s biggest haters (I never wanted him hired and wanted him gone after cmu) could’ve predicted the season would end this crappy after the Louisville game. Anyone claiming that is just being a hindsight merchant

 

[ItsAUThing.com]

Honestly, that first game was obvious fool's gold: a first game that we all thought meant we could have been a likely top 15 team. Maybe we also almost won because neither team had much time to practice (plus Franks instead of Trask played), but we seemed like a better overall team with a ton of hope to maybe finish 11-1 this year based on that game and our eventual schedule.

We even saw Enos with an immaculate first drive to that game and thinking he just needed to focus on that creativity the rest of the year. Maybe Jarren was the issue being his first start ever and/or the O-line being real green.

The way this team derailed though, losing to mediocre UNC because our idiotic ST coach couldn't figure out Baxa sucked by then (or Baker incapable of stopping 4th and 17 with a true FR qb or our cbs getting routinely roasted), and then squeaking by CMU, it just seemed downhill (with some ups and downs) onwards and no attempt to adjust to having a green offensive line, etc. That first game gave the idea so much more was going to happen this year and looking back even though Enos didn't adjust to our O-line or to having any sort of flow to the playcalling there's no way we should have lost to at least four teams the way we did this year based on that first game.

It's not remotely the same team post-La. Tech that we were against UF.

Pretty simple. First game of the year and everyone was ready to play emotionally—while both teams were rusty, sloppy and hadn't found their footing yet.

Had Miami found a way to win that game, it probably beats North Carolina and the season goes a different direction. Instead, 0-2 happened, the walls started closing in and things fast derailed.

The bigger question should be—what happened after Pitt, Florida State and Louisville as Miami seemed to be turning a corner at 6-4, but instead lost to FIU, at Duke and to Louisiana Tech.

Williams looked improved at Tallahassee, Wiggins was starting to break out, Thomas was getting some touches, the deep ball was there and the offensive line was looking better—only to all completely regress to a version of this team that looked even messier than it did against the Gators in game one.

 

[simplycanes]

This has been a pattern with UM for over a decade.

There's one game on the schedule that determines how they play all the others.

If they win it, they keep grinding, but they usually don't, and after that if they're interested in the opponent (UVA, FSU, UL) they play OK to very good, when they're not, they have no problem losing to anybody.

Bizarre.

 

[ItsAUThing.com]

Didn’t fall for anything, not like I was in the thread screaming I want Bama, but not even manny’s biggest haters (I never wanted him hired and wanted him gone after cmu) could’ve predicted the season would end this crappy after the Louisville game. Anyone claiming that is just being a hindsight merchant

I wrote about this in an article a few months back, but the writing was on the wall with Enos as far back as the Virginia Tech loss, if not sooner.

Malcolm Gladwell wrote about 'thin-slicing' in his book "Blink"—quick definition—"is a term used in psychology or philosophy to describe the ability to find patterns in events based only on "thin slices", or narrow windows, of experience. The term means making very quick inferences about the state, characteristics or details of an individual or situation with minimal amounts of information. Brief judgments based on thin-slicing are similar to those judgments based on much more information. Judgments based on thin-slicing can be as accurate, or even more accurate, than judgments based on much more information."

A small enough sampling of Enos' play-calling, ego, desire to be the smartest guy on the field, trying to out-clever the competition instead of out-scheming it—it was all on display from the get-go. This guy was a bad fit from the minute he showed up and started opening his mouth.

Everything about this season was a failure—but absolutely thrilled that Enos is moving on. Instead of year two of this Diaz era and more of the same, it's gonna be a year-one do-over—with hopefully an offensive staff more in-line with the one Manolo talked about a year ago this time when firing Richt's crew and explaining what he was looking for.

 

[hoops156]

I wrote about this in an article a few months back, but the writing was on the wall with Enos as far back as the Virginia Tech loss, if not sooner.

Malcolm Gladwell wrote about 'thin-slicing' in his book "Blink"—quick definition—"is a term used in psychology or philosophy to describe the ability to find patterns in events based only on "thin slices", or narrow windows, of experience. The term means making very quick inferences about the state, characteristics or details of an individual or situation with minimal amounts of information. Brief judgments based on thin-slicing are similar to those judgments based on much more information. Judgments based on thin-slicing can be as accurate, or even more accurate, than judgments based on much more information."

A small enough sampling of Enos' play-calling, ego, desire to be the smartest guy on the field, trying to out-clever the competition instead of out-scheming it—it was all on display from the get-go. This guy was a bad fit from the minute he showed up and started opening his mouth.

Everything about this season was a failure—but absolutely thrilled that Enos is moving on. Instead of year two of this Diaz era and more of the same, it's gonna be a year-one do-over—with hopefully an offensive staff more in-line with the one Manolo talked about a year ago this time when firing Richt's crew and explaining what he was looking for.

dont sugar coat the way enos was shown the door. i disliked him the moment he threw JW under the bus and everyone loved that moment. he was a **** and was blasted the **** out of gables. im glad we didnt even give him the mutual parting of ways. we made **** sure everyone knew he was fired

 

[ItsAUThing.com]

This has been a pattern with UM for over a decade.

There's one game on the schedule that determines how they play all the others.

If they win it, they keep grinding, but they usually don't, and after that if they're interested in the opponent (UVA, FSU, UL) they play OK to very good, when they're not, they have no problem losing to anybody.

Bizarre.

You hit the nail on the head—and that in itself is the culture issue that has persisted here for over a decade.

I've said it for two years now; if Miami didn't eke out that win at Florida State in 2017—that team goes 7-6. Book it.

Would've lost to Georgia Tech the following week. Syracuse probably would've beaten them. No chance at beating Virginia Tech and Notre Dame (as neither would've been prime time night games without Miami undefeated, no College GameDay, either). Virginia could've beaten them, too. (But would've probably beaten four-win Pitt in a meaningless game at 5-5 with no target on its back.)

Every year there is "that game" that sort of sets a tone. During the Shannon era, it was usually a defining loss against Butch and North Carolina, where the occasion win over Virginia Tech could have a lasting effect.

Even in the Richt era, two four-game losing streaks over three seasons—as this team has no resolve and couldn't respond from a loss. Golden was guilty of that, too—his kids losing to a four-win Virginia Tech a week after losing to a Florida State, or some other disappointing setback.

 

[hoops156]

You hit the nail on the head—and that in itself is the culture issue that has persisted here for over a decade.

I've said it for two years now; if Miami didn't eke out that win at Florida State in 2017—that team goes 7-6. Book it.

Would've lost to Georgia Tech the following week. Syracuse probably would've beaten them. No chance at beating Virginia Tech and Notre Dame (as neither would've been prime time night games without Miami undefeated, no College GameDay, either). Virginia could've beaten them, too. (But would've probably beaten four-win Pitt in a meaningless game at 5-5 with no target on its back.)

Every year there is "that game" that sort of sets a tone. During the Shannon era, it was usually a defining loss against Butch and North Carolina, where the occasion win over Virginia Tech could have a lasting effect.

Even in the Richt era, two four-game losing streaks over three seasons—as this team has no resolve and couldn't respond from a loss. Golden was guilty of that, too—his kids losing to a four-win Virginia Tech a week after losing to a Florida State, or some other disappointing setback.

that would mean you have a team full of mostly soft kids that dont give a **** about the program as a whole no matter the coach.

 

[ThomasM]

Ahmmon Richards alluded to players losing motivation to win games on the big 3 roll up podcast after the Florida game. Felt like if we won that game then the season would have been different. Feel like people let losing that game dwell in to the next and that people checked out

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‎Show Roll Up, Ep Phillip Simms: Top 5 Ft. Ahmmon Richards - Dec 19, 2019

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47:00 minute mark

Nah. No team worth a crap loses their first **** game of the year then packs it in. Soft as Charmin, all of them.

 

[Schuylkill County Cane]

Ahmmon Richards alluded to players losing motivation to win games on the big 3 roll up podcast after the Florida game. Felt like if we won that game then the season would have been different. Feel like people let losing that game dwell in to the next and that people checked out

‎Roll Up: Phillip Simms: Top 5 Ft. Ahmmon Richards on Apple Podcasts

‎Show Roll Up, Ep Phillip Simms: Top 5 Ft. Ahmmon Richards - Dec 19, 2019

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47:00 minute mark

The kids on this roster don’t care if we win or lose as long as they get their shine. To them it is about their brand, not the team. Can thank Mandy for bringing in the branding specialist last off season.

Brevin Jordan, our best player, supposed to be a team leader, posts a highlight video on IG, the first thing displayed, “1st team All-ACC & Mackey award finalist”. As long as they look good I feel our dudes are content with sucking. Not lets right this ship or this season was unacceptable. Just trying to get those dopamine filled likes.

The season would not have ended up different if we squeaked past UF, Enos was still calling the plays, the Oline couldn’t block me, & Defense is what it is under Mandy.

 

[Home Slice]

Honestly, that first game was obvious fool's gold: a first game that we all thought meant we could have been a likely top 15 team. Maybe we also almost won because neither team had much time to practice (plus Franks instead of Trask played), but we seemed like a better overall team with a ton of hope to maybe finish 11-1 this year based on that game and our eventual schedule.

We even saw Enos with an immaculate first drive to that game and thinking he just needed to focus on that creativity the rest of the year. Maybe Jarren was the issue being his first start ever and/or the O-line being real green.

The way this team derailed though, losing to mediocre UNC because our idiotic ST coach couldn't figure out Baxa sucked by then (or Baker incapable of stopping 4th and 17 with a true FR qb or our cbs getting routinely roasted), and then squeaking by CMU, it just seemed downhill (with some ups and downs) onwards and no attempt to adjust to having a green offensive line, etc. That first game gave the idea so much more was going to happen this year and looking back even though Enos didn't adjust to our O-line or to having any sort of flow to the playcalling there's no way we should have lost to at least four teams the way we did this year based on that first game.

It's not remotely the same team post-La. Tech that we were against UF.

We weren't coached up obviously. TBH, I thought we'd be semi-decent following that game

 

[Canezum5]

Bud Foster wrote the template. Sit on the short and intermediates and force our young Oline to block long enough for deeper routes to develop.

Enos either couldn't or was too arrogant to adjust to what Dc's were throwing at us.

TBH, the UNC and GT game should have been the lube that prepared all UM fans for the anal rape that commenced for the rest of the season.

I didn't even expect much after Louisville because their DC was a regular Donofrio playing 10 yards off the ball and giving our qbs all day to throw

 

[HughFreezemyCuckoldYesPlz]

post Lville and we wouldve likely ended up playing UF in the orange bowl. Jarren severely regressed since that Lville game. it wasnt even that they picked out what he likes to do, he lost all sorts of accuracy that he previously had.

That's what I'm saying, though. It's not like all these defenses also just magically figured out every play we ran. Jarren's straightforward accuracy post-Louisville turned into a more retarded version of Uncle Rico.

He was playing well at the beginning of the year, too. The entire situation doesn't add up at all.

 

[HughFreezemyCuckoldYesPlz]

Bud Foster wrote the template. Sit on the short and intermediates and force our young Oline to block long enough for deeper routes to develop.

Enos either couldn't or was too arrogant to adjust to what Dc's were throwing at us.

TBH, the UNC and GT game should have been the lube that prepared all UM fans for the anal rape that commenced for the rest of the season.

I didn't even expect much after Louisville because their DC was a regular Donofrio playing 10 yards off the ball and giving our qbs all day to throw

I understand Foster's game planning and Perry almost saving us that day. That said, there have been a lot of times at the end of the year where Jarren simply couldn't throw accurate balls to open guys. It wasn't even that Enos was calling bad plays all the time, we couldn't adjust, or even making the right read. It was: he couldn't complete passes he was easily completing against Louisville, etc.