We're Severely Undervaluing This Position

[Cans4life]

Exactly how I see it, OP. This is the ultimate diamond in the rough for any ambitious HC. To be kicking around fired losers and retreads is ridiculous. Shoot for the moon.

Whoever disagrees with this is being shortsighted. I think only a handful do.

Now, what do both of you (@WhatTheHell) say if or when we can't land one of those guys. The rhetoric is one thing. Making it happen is unfortunately another thing altogether. And, that doesn't make it right. It just makes it a possible reality.

So, what do you do if or when we shoot for the moon and miss?

As long as they pitch guys like Patterson and the other monsters, then I'm good with moving to the next tier. If the next tier (Herman) also rejects you, then I think you need better pitch men.

I think the pitch to guys like Patterson and Gundy are easier than many think. You tell Patterson "the job is yours. No interview. Sign and move in." I wouldn't be surprised if he realizes that he's in trouble next year at TCU without Boykin and Doctson. He could definitely slide next year to 8 wins. He needs to have a transcendent QB like Boykin to win at TCU; he doesn't need that here.

Gundy, it has been rumored loudly, has had a lot of problems with the brass at OSU. He will likely drop a game soon and find himself on the outside of the playoff picture. Maybe it's time for him to make a move.

I'm up for that.

With some of the Cristobal insanity I keep hearing, I think you may be deeply disappointed.

That's truly maddening. Cristobal should be 89th on our list, right after giving Randy Shannon another go.

 

[jackedaround]

but paul finebaum says we suck.....

 

[Hurracanes]

Exactly how I see it, OP. This is the ultimate diamond in the rough for any ambitious HC. To be kicking around fired losers and retreads is ridiculous. Shoot for the moon.

Whoever disagrees with this is being shortsighted. I think only a handful do.

Now, what do both of you (@WhatTheHell) say if or when we can't land one of those guys. The rhetoric is one thing. Making it happen is unfortunately another thing altogether. And, that doesn't make it right. It just makes it a possible reality.

So, what do you do if or when we shoot for the moon and miss?

As long as they pitch guys like Patterson and the other monsters, then I'm good with moving to the next tier. If the next tier (Herman) also rejects you, then I think you need better pitch men.

I think the pitch to guys like Patterson and Gundy are easier than many think. You tell Patterson "the job is yours. No interview. Sign and move in." I wouldn't be surprised if he realizes that he's in trouble next year at TCU without Boykin and Doctson. He could definitely slide next year to 8 wins. He needs to have a transcendent QB like Boykin to win at TCU; he doesn't need that here.

Gundy, it has been rumored loudly, has had a lot of problems with the brass at OSU. He will likely drop a game soon and find himself on the outside of the playoff picture. Maybe it's time for him to make a move.

I'm up for that.

With some of the Cristobal insanity I keep hearing, I think you may be deeply disappointed.

When you say you are hearing this Cristobal insanity, do you mean you are hearing it from the media or your contacts?

 

[Jassid82]

Exactly how I see it, OP. This is the ultimate diamond in the rough for any ambitious HC. To be kicking around fired losers and retreads is ridiculous. Shoot for the moon.

We have been saying this for 7-8 years now..And nobody seems to think this way but us. And we got stuck with Shannon and Golden. I am at the point to where I just want a guy who wants the **** job. (BUTCH) All this "diamond in the rough" sounds like the same stuff we have been saying for years only to get let down.

Is this a great job? Of course! We are fans and we know what we have here and that we are a sleeping giant.

Do people nationally think this is a great job? (in coaching circles).. Yet to be determined. History is not on our side unfortunately when it comes to this.

 

[Tad Footeball]

Not only is Gundy beefin' with T Boone, he's seriously considered the Tennessee job and was dying for an offer from UF. He's the type of dude that's been locked in that town forever and has hit the ceiling.

That's a hungry, ornery, sumbltch of a coach this program needs to be fvckin with.

Really? That's not like some Texas type booster copout for why Strong sucks. T Boone is THE booster there, obviously. Can't see how there'd be a problem now though with the season they're having and no off the field issues that I recall.

 

[MIATL]

Agree with the OP.

And I'm on record, I like Mullen. I think he would do really well here.

Pitch him, show him the progress that's been made at Miami with facilities. Show him the plan for the indoor practice facility, and that he gets the budget to hire the staff he thinks can win at the highest level. Remind him that he lost his DC to Florida, and that Miss State will always be 2nd Class in that conference. Make it clear that his options are to compete for 2nd or 3rd in the SEC West every year, or win the ACC every year.

Mullen has to be tired of getting his head beat in by Bama. Ole Miss runs that state. He also has to play Arkansas, LSU, and aTm EVERY year. And like Patterson, he's also losing his "franchise" QB after this season ...

And if we miss on Mullen ... Go get Herman or Fuente.

Truth is, like recruiting, if those guys have a legit interest in the program, they won't be bothered by Miami pursuing a more established coach first. If they use that as the reason to turn us down, they were looking for a reason to turn us down.

We need to swing big on this hire ... And not be worried about getting rejections.

Worst case, Butch gets the job. And if that happens after a thorough search, nobody will gripe about that!

 

[ScubaCane]

Agree with the OP.

And I'm on record, I like Mullen. I think he would do really well here.

Pitch him, show him the progress that's been made at Miami with facilities. Show him the plan for the indoor practice facility, and that he gets the budget to hire the staff he thinks can win at the highest level. Remind him that he lost his DC to Florida, and that Miss State will always be 2nd Class in that conference. Make it clear that his options are to compete for 2nd or 3rd in the SEC West every year, or win the ACC every year.

Mullen has to be tired of getting his head beat in by Bama. Ole Miss runs that state. He also has to play Arkansas, LSU, and aTm EVERY year. And like Patterson, he's also losing his "franchise" QB after this season ...

And if we miss on Mullen ... Go get Herman or Fuente.

Truth is, like recruiting, if those guys have a legit interest in the program, they won't be bothered by Miami pursuing a more established coach first. If they use that as the reason to turn us down, they were looking for a reason to turn us down.

We need to swing big on this hire ... And not be worried about getting rejections.

Worst case, Butch gets the job. And if that happens after a thorough search, nobody will gripe about that!

Mullen would be an interesting hire, think he could do well here.

 

[252cane]

Exactly how I see it, OP. This is the ultimate diamond in the rough for any ambitious HC. To be kicking around fired losers and retreads is ridiculous. Shoot for the moon.

We have been saying this for 7-8 years now..And nobody seems to think this way but us. And we got stuck with Shannon and Golden. I am at the point to where I just want a guy who wants the **** job. (BUTCH) All this "diamond in the rough" sounds like the same stuff we have been saying for years only to get let down.

Is this a great job? Of course! We are fans and we know what we have here and that we are a sleeping giant.

Do people nationally think this is a great job? (in coaching circles).. Yet to be determined. History is not on our side unfortunately when it comes to this.

I don't think most coaches think it is. The only positives you here about the miami job is tradition and recruiting area.

A lot of people see the lack of stadium, no fan support, and average facilities at best to be big negatives. Also the admin has a reputation of not caring about football which is probably the biggest negative.

 

[ScubaCane]

If we end up with Cristobal, fly a banner over the **** press conference

 

[Dwinstitles]

Butch

 

[MIATL]

Exactly how I see it, OP. This is the ultimate diamond in the rough for any ambitious HC. To be kicking around fired losers and retreads is ridiculous. Shoot for the moon.

We have been saying this for 7-8 years now..And nobody seems to think this way but us. And we got stuck with Shannon and Golden. I am at the point to where I just want a guy who wants the **** job. (BUTCH) All this "diamond in the rough" sounds like the same stuff we have been saying for years only to get let down.

Is this a great job? Of course! We are fans and we know what we have here and that we are a sleeping giant.

Do people nationally think this is a great job? (in coaching circles).. Yet to be determined. History is not on our side unfortunately when it comes to this.

I don't think most coaches think it is. The only positives you here about the miami job is tradition and recruiting area.

A lot of people see the lack of stadium, no fan support, and average facilities at best to be big negatives. Also the admin has a reputation of not caring about football which is probably the biggest negative.

I'm asking respectfully:

Is it possible that Miami's AD and BoT have been similar to some Miami fans, in that they have clung to the past too long?

Maybe coaches have been interested, but the AD has acted as if we're doing the HC a favor by hiring them, instead of it being a mutually beneficial relationship?

The last 3 hires (Coker, Shannon, Golden) we've made all seem like we were doing them favors ... The guys we know we missed on probably came with more arrogance, be it Dan Mullen, Mike Leach, Barry Alvarez, or Gary Patterson ... None of those guys needed a favor.

 

[The Franchise]

Not only is Gundy beefin' with T Boone, he's seriously considered the Tennessee job and was dying for an offer from UF. He's the type of dude that's been locked in that town forever and has hit the ceiling.

That's a hungry, ornery, sumbltch of a coach this program needs to be fvckin with.

Exactly how I see it with Gundy. That guy does nothing but produce great offenses every year, and his coaching staff is regularly raided because he's got such a good eye for assistants. This current DC of his, Spencer, does a good job of coaching defense in the modern world. His guys play like savages. They don't shut anyone down because no one shuts anyone down in the Big 12, but they play very hard and they get key stops and force mistakes.

Remember the FSU game last year? That OSU defense beat the **** out of FSU in that game. They were smashing people and playing exceptionally fast.

If you've got an open gig at UM, you need to sell that **** to some killers. Don't sit back and wait for a bunch of fired schlubs to come to your door in their tattered clothes begging for the job. Go out there and pitch that job to some killers.

 

[The Franchise]

Exactly how I see it, OP. This is the ultimate diamond in the rough for any ambitious HC. To be kicking around fired losers and retreads is ridiculous. Shoot for the moon.

We have been saying this for 7-8 years now..And nobody seems to think this way but us. And we got stuck with Shannon and Golden. I am at the point to where I just want a guy who wants the **** job. (BUTCH) All this "diamond in the rough" sounds like the same stuff we have been saying for years only to get let down.

Is this a great job? Of course! We are fans and we know what we have here and that we are a sleeping giant.

Do people nationally think this is a great job? (in coaching circles).. Yet to be determined. History is not on our side unfortunately when it comes to this.

The fact that we chose the wrong HCs doesn't diminish the greatness of the job. You're conflating separate issues. Plenty of great programs have hired really bad HCs over the years. They've had long stretches of bad hires, and it's not because the job wasn't great; it's because they gave it to the wrong guys.

Southern Cal, LSU, Bama, UF, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma and many other marquee programs have struggled for long stretches with bad HC hires. Do you think those are bad jobs? Or did they just make bad choices?

 

[deleted3746]

Sounds like a pipe dream WTH, just like my infatuation with wanting to see Jim Tressel in a Canes sweater vest.

I think most of us just don't have faith that the admin and BoT will make the football program a high enough priority where they spend some money to get one of those guys in here.

 

[NVA CANE]

IMO Patterson is ripe for the picking. His most promising season went down in flames cause he can't get depth at TCU. That's not s problem at Miami. Sell him the opportunity to get a whole different class of players as well as to ride out into the sunset winning it all. He's taken that program as far as humanly possible. A heisman candidate QB, a stud WR, great defenses in the past. Also sell him that he won't be left out of the playoff picture like they were last year.

Sell sell sell and someone will buy.

 

[Cane2]

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Group Think Syndrome for the: Reach for the Sun and find the stars Campers!

This is what happens when one person is reading posts of that brand new thread du jour on a message board.

Another person comes up with an idea that is not exactly novel but an idea that others have thought about without yet articulating it anew for the current day. And suddenly after reading it everyone falls in group think, buttressing each other and failing to think critically, or not thinking beyond the sensation or flava of the moment.

Look, we all think that UM is the best job in the world because we love the U and luv its greatest moments that we had lived through in these past years, long ago. Bottom line is that many coaches and their families are not fond of the U for this very reason that the media often does bash the U! Therefore, presenting the U in an unfavorable light. The wives and family members take this media bias against the U and pass that on to their husband/father-coach regardless of the coach's ambition. It’s not easy for coaches to digest all that bias and come here like it’s a walk in the park; it’s not!

The Honchos at the U are and have already been throwing offers and gestures out there anyway to a number of those very big names that my group think friends have been bantering about. They may do so awkwardly -- with James Franklin getting smack on the blindside about “a Miami job” to Mike Shula deferring to staying in the NFL via private associates -- but UM honchos HAVE been reaching out comprehensively to many through a variety of extending approaches, disclosures that they’d go up to salary of $4,OOO,OOO, and finally through awkward back channels of leaks to express that Miami is open for business for all elite coaches who want to apply but may have thought to be out of reach.

If you stop away from group think of those of you kicking around this not-so novel idea of marketing UM -- to these young and hungry coaches, i.e., Dino, Justin, Herman, et. al, -- as this productive land of prime fruits that can be harvested/coached up into players ballin’ for Championships, then you’d realize that these same Alpha young coaches would also feel like they can win that elsewhere anyway but go somewhere with a full stadium and adoring fans to play for the same Championships we claim is easy to reach at UM.

Exactly how I see it, OP. This is the ultimate diamond in the rough for any ambitious HC. To be kicking around fired losers and retreads is ridiculous. Shoot for the moon.

Whoever disagrees with this is being shortsighted. I think only a handful do.

Now, what do both of you (@WhatTheHell) say if or when we can't land one of those guys. The rhetoric is one thing. Making it happen is unfortunately another thing altogether. And, that doesn't make it right. It just makes it a possible reality.

So, what do you do if or when we shoot for the moon and miss?

As long as they pitch guys like Patterson and the other monsters, then I'm good with moving to the next tier. If the next tier (Herman) also rejects you, then I think you need better pitch men.
I think the pitch to guys like Patterson and Gundy are easier than many think. You tell Patterson "the job is yours. No interview. Sign and move in." I wouldn't be surprised if he realizes that he's in trouble next year at TCU without Boykin and Doctson. He could definitely slide next year to 8 wins. He needs to have a transcendent QB like Boykin to win at TCU; he doesn't need that here. Gundy, it has been rumored loudly, has had a lot of problems with the brass at OSU. He will likely drop a game soon and find himself on the outside of the playoff picture. Maybe it's time for him to make a move.

I'm up for that.
With some of the Cristobal insanity I keep hearing, I think you may be deeply disappointed.

Bottom line is that none of this stuff is any novel idea for these immediate post-AlGolden times. UM ain’t this destination gig for everybody. Even ADs roll out on us as soon as they see greener pastures, as have the last two Ads, and as such, UM never even went out to hire another AD since. Let’s just let these Honchos do their dance of going after these elite coaches, and until they come back to Butch Davis to take the helm, lay low on spitting out all these not so novel ideas. Can we trust UM not to ***** this up...again?

In the meantime, let’s keep the feet of these incompetent Honchos in the heat and fly the fvkn Banner.

MAKE MIAMI GREAT AGAIN – BUTCH 2015

 

[Rellyrell]

[MENTION=3355]WhatTheHell[/MENTION]: man you got me amped up. We do have a standard around here, and lately, we've been going the cheap route. We've hired coordinators for the previous two hires, and then when we did finally go after a coach, we went after one who came from a soft shouldered conference and learned under a soft shouldered coach.

It's time for us to stop playing games. Go after Gundy, Go after Patterson, Go after Herman, Go after Dantonio, Go after Chip (if he's available...and if those fail, go after Richt or lock down Butch. But to introduce a whole bunch of coaches who have failed at other programs, or who are position coaches is unimaginable.

 

[mydas77]

Agreed with the OP about this being a very good job. You put together a list of who you consider to be the best coaches. Then you remove the guys that are clearly unavailable or you don't think fit. Then you make the remaining candidates, one at a time, say no to your best offer. I think the first wave of guys has to be Mullen, rich rod, Gundy, chip and their ilk . If that wave fails, you have to start taking chances with younger guys and elite coordinators. (herman, Morris, venerables, fuente, smart etc.) If you can't get one of those guys, as chise said, u suck as a salesman. Lucky for them Butch is a great break in case of emergency candidate. They literally can't mess this up if they follow a good process.

We need an aloof, hungry SOB that wants to kick the **** out of the SEC and end Alabama's run. Miami is one of a handful of schools that truly has the ability to push the SEC of the map.

 

[FireSwasey]

We're on here talking about the Alabama offensive line coach, whose claim to fame is being humiliated and walking across a parking lot at FIU with a box full of his shlt. We're over here talking about coordinators. We're discussing a dude named Dino Babers for fvck's sake. What are we doing here? Really.

Miami plays in the single worst division in college football. Miami and Fort Lauderdale are the leaders for active NFL players with a total of 51. There is no better job in the country right now for an ambitious coach that wants to come down here and win games. You are surrounded by the best talent this nation has to offer and you get to bring them into battle every week against an assortment of cupcakes. Any coach looking to advance his career, or any guy who feels maxed out at his current gig and wants to think bigger, would come running down here in a second.

I think we're letting this school off the hook by offering up guys like Cristobal and Chud. F that. They need to spend money. They need to hire an actual football coach, not some "oh well ya know he COULD be good if he hires great coordinators" type of coach, and definitely not a "great recruiter." What the **** is this garbage? We are Miami.

We have an unbelievable opportunity here for the taking for any savage coach that wants to come fvck with talent and speed he's only dreamed of having at his disposal. We need to be thinking bigger, aiming higher, and expecting more. We need to hold the administration and the CornBreath search firm to a high standard. Get us a head coach from a power 5 conference that's done more with less. Forget ties, forget MIAMI GUYZ. Find a mean sumbltch that wants to tear da club up.


This job is an amazing opportunity. It's time we stop acting like the hot chick with no self-esteem.

Get me a Gundy, Patterson, Mullen, Chip, Dantonio, etc or gtfo of my sight.

Praise jesus and hallelujah to the post!

 

[MIA42178]

Gundy is at $3.65M. If he wants out, pay him.
He would wreck the country w Miami talent and speed.
****, w our personnel, he'd be wrecking sht next season.