We're Severely Undervaluing This Position

[TheUnuffSAID]

can someone let me know again why we are thinking Gundy is going to leave OSU for us ?

 

[FireSwasey]

The coach's job is to recruit players.

The AD's job is to recruit the coach. Same exact thing. Gotta sell the program to one of these guys. Thinking that a coach needs to sell himself to you is why we ended up with Al.

UM has had it *** backwards for a while.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

Exactly how I see it, OP. This is the ultimate diamond in the rough for any ambitious HC. To be kicking around fired losers and retreads is ridiculous. Shoot for the moon.

Whoever disagrees with this is being shortsighted. I think only a handful do.

Now, what do both of you (@WhatTheHell) say if or when we can't land one of those guys. The rhetoric is one thing. Making it happen is unfortunately another thing altogether. And, that doesn't make it right. It just makes it a possible reality.

So, what do you do if or when we shoot for the moon and miss?

As long as they pitch guys like Patterson and the other monsters, then I'm good with moving to the next tier. If the next tier (Herman) also rejects you, then I think you need better pitch men.

I think the pitch to guys like Patterson and Gundy are easier than many think. You tell Patterson "the job is yours. No interview. Sign and move in." I wouldn't be surprised if he realizes that he's in trouble next year at TCU without Boykin and Doctson. He could definitely slide next year to 8 wins. He needs to have a transcendent QB like Boykin to win at TCU; he doesn't need that here.

Gundy, it has been rumored loudly, has had a lot of problems with the brass at OSU. He will likely drop a game soon and find himself on the outside of the playoff picture. Maybe it's time for him to make a move.

this is on point. The best thing that could have happened for us and Patterson (or Gundy for that matter) is for them to go 11-1 or even 12-0 and be left sitting on the outside of the playoff. After last year they have to realize the Big12 is the bottom of the totem poll for the playoff committee. They aren't getting in unless someone runs the table and at best they will be a 3 seed. They don't have a championship game either. Patterson needs to prove a point to the Big12 that he's going to leave if they don't instill a championship game, and if they still don't he can leave, and that place should be Miami.

****, with Brad Kaaya and his defensive system, we could run the table next year and be in the playoff year 1. What better way to give a big FU to the Big12?

 

[mydas77]

can someone let me know again why we are thinking Gundy is going to leave OSU for us ?

Stop being small-minded. It is not about whether he would leave or not. It is about how our University should be approaching this search.

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

We're on here talking about the Alabama offensive line coach, whose claim to fame is being humiliated and walking across a parking lot at FIU with a box full of his shlt. We're over here talking about coordinators. We're discussing a dude named Dino Babers for fvck's sake. What are we doing here? Really.

Miami plays in the single worst division in college football. Miami and Fort Lauderdale are the leaders for active NFL players with a total of 51. There is no better job in the country right now for an ambitious coach that wants to come down here and win games. You are surrounded by the best talent this nation has to offer and you get to bring them into battle every week against an assortment of cupcakes. Any coach looking to advance his career, or any guy who feels maxed out at his current gig and wants to think bigger, would come running down here in a second.

I think we're letting this school off the hook by offering up guys like Cristobal and Chud. F that. They need to spend money. They need to hire an actual football coach, not some "oh well ya know he COULD be good if he hires great coordinators" type of coach, and definitely not a "great recruiter." What the **** is this garbage? We are Miami.

We have an unbelievable opportunity here for the taking for any savage coach that wants to come fvck with talent and speed he's only dreamed of having at his disposal. We need to be thinking bigger, aiming higher, and expecting more. We need to hold the administration and the CornBreath search firm to a high standard. Get us a head coach from a power 5 conference that's done more with less. Forget ties, forget MIAMI GUYZ. Find a mean sumbltch that wants to tear da club up.


This job is an amazing opportunity. It's time we stop acting like the hot chick with no self-esteem.

Get me a Gundy, Patterson, Mullen, Chip, Dantonio, etc or gtfo of my sight.

You're right, but the media knows we are cheap as **** when hiring coaches and assistants. Plus there is the lack of facilities, particularly a stadium on campus or near the school. We're just never going to interest a top level coach the way we operate this program. I hate this, but it is what it is.

 

[caneaddict]

Miami has a lot of warts, but it also can birth dynasties, theres a small group of schools that can do that

 

[OrangetieFatface]

Exactly how I see it, OP. This is the ultimate diamond in the rough for any ambitious HC. To be kicking around fired losers and retreads is ridiculous. Shoot for the moon.

Whoever disagrees with this is being shortsighted. I think only a handful do.

Now, what do both of you (@WhatTheHell) say if or when we can't land one of those guys. The rhetoric is one thing. Making it happen is unfortunately another thing altogether. And, that doesn't make it right. It just makes it a possible reality.

So, what do you do if or when we shoot for the moon and miss?

As long as they pitch guys like Patterson and the other monsters, then I'm good with moving to the next tier. If the next tier (Herman) also rejects you, then I think you need better pitch men.

I think the pitch to guys like Patterson and Gundy are easier than many think. You tell Patterson "the job is yours. No interview. Sign and move in." I wouldn't be surprised if he realizes that he's in trouble next year at TCU without Boykin and Doctson. He could definitely slide next year to 8 wins. He needs to have a transcendent QB like Boykin to win at TCU; he doesn't need that here.

Gundy, it has been rumored loudly, has had a lot of problems with the brass at OSU. He will likely drop a game soon and find himself on the outside of the playoff picture. Maybe it's time for him to make a move.

The thought of Gundy in the coastal makes my nipples hard.

 

[OldhamA]

Not only is Gundy beefin' with T Boone, he's seriously considered the Tennessee job and was dying for an offer from UF. He's the type of dude that's been locked in that town forever and has hit the ceiling.

That's a hungry, ornery, sumbltch of a coach this program needs to be fvckin with.

Exactly how I see it with Gundy. That guy does nothing but produce great offenses every year, and his coaching staff is regularly raided because he's got such a good eye for assistants. This current DC of his, Spencer, does a good job of coaching defense in the modern world. His guys play like savages. They don't shut anyone down because no one shuts anyone down in the Big 12, but they play very hard and they get key stops and force mistakes.

Remember the FSU game last year? That OSU defense beat the **** out of FSU in that game. They were smashing people and playing exceptionally fast.

If you've got an open gig at UM, you need to sell that **** to some killers. Don't sit back and wait for a bunch of fired schlubs to come to your door in their tattered clothes begging for the job. Go out there and pitch that job to some killers.

Here's the question - are these killers sending out feelers about the Miami job?

Someone like Gundy, surely it makes sense that he's sent word that he's interested through back channels. If not, why not?

 

[The Franchise]

can someone let me know again why we are thinking Gundy is going to leave OSU for us ?

If you don't try you'll never know. I hope the people running the UM search aren't as defeated as UM fans.

 

[JayyJr]

We're on here talking about the Alabama offensive line coach, whose claim to fame is being humiliated and walking across a parking lot at FIU with a box full of his shlt. We're over here talking about coordinators. We're discussing a dude named Dino Babers for fvck's sake. What are we doing here? Really.

Miami plays in the single worst division in college football. Miami and Fort Lauderdale are the leaders for active NFL players with a total of 51. There is no better job in the country right now for an ambitious coach that wants to come down here and win games. You are surrounded by the best talent this nation has to offer and you get to bring them into battle every week against an assortment of cupcakes. Any coach looking to advance his career, or any guy who feels maxed out at his current gig and wants to think bigger, would come running down here in a second.

I think we're letting this school off the hook by offering up guys like Cristobal and Chud. F that. They need to spend money. They need to hire an actual football coach, not some "oh well ya know he COULD be good if he hires great coordinators" type of coach, and definitely not a "great recruiter." What the **** is this garbage? We are Miami.

We have an unbelievable opportunity here for the taking for any savage coach that wants to come fvck with talent and speed he's only dreamed of having at his disposal. We need to be thinking bigger, aiming higher, and expecting more. We need to hold the administration and the CornBreath search firm to a high standard. Get us a head coach from a power 5 conference that's done more with less. Forget ties, forget MIAMI GUYZ. Find a mean sumbltch that wants to tear da club up.


This job is an amazing opportunity. It's time we stop acting like the hot chick with no self-esteem.

Get me a Gundy, Patterson, Mullen, Chip, Dantonio, etc or gtfo of my sight.

You're right, but the media knows we are cheap as **** when hiring coaches and assistants. Plus there is the lack of facilities, particularly a stadium on campus or near the school. We're just never going to interest a top level coach the way we operate this program. I hate this, but it is what it is.

YOU DO REALIZE THAT MIAMI HAS NOT WENT AFTER A TOP HC IN ANOTHER CONFERENCE SINCE JIMMY JOHNSON.. SAM WANTED HIM AND WENT OVER TO OSU YOU AND TOOK HIM. ALL OUR HIRES SINCE HAS BEEN TRYING TO FIND LIGHTENING IN A BOTTLE AND IT HASN'T WORKED.

 

[JayyJr]

Alot of you are buying into the media BS and forgetting what the coaching profession is about...Facilities, game day experience, sell out crowds, are irrelevant to a coaches decision on where to coach, none of those things will make his job easier or bring him job security.. The #1 thing a coach looks at is CAN I WIN#2 is HOW MUCH AM I GETTING PAID

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Not only is Gundy beefin' with T Boone, he's seriously considered the Tennessee job and was dying for an offer from UF. He's the type of dude that's been locked in that town forever and has hit the ceiling.

That's a hungry, ornery, sumbltch of a coach this program needs to be fvckin with.

Exactly how I see it with Gundy. That guy does nothing but produce great offenses every year, and his coaching staff is regularly raided because he's got such a good eye for assistants. This current DC of his, Spencer, does a good job of coaching defense in the modern world. His guys play like savages. They don't shut anyone down because no one shuts anyone down in the Big 12, but they play very hard and they get key stops and force mistakes.

Remember the FSU game last year? That OSU defense beat the **** out of FSU in that game. They were smashing people and playing exceptionally fast.

If you've got an open gig at UM, you need to sell that **** to some killers. Don't sit back and wait for a bunch of fired schlubs to come to your door in their tattered clothes begging for the job. Go out there and pitch that job to some killers.

Quick little story on Gundy. He went out and recruited a coach by the name of Jason Macendoo to be his "Cowboy Back" coach last off-season. Jason was assistant coach of the year 1-AA out of Montana St. Thing is Jason was an O-line coach at Montana State but he is one of THE most impressive coaches I've ever been around. Great teacher, recruiter, the whole nine yards. He was lead recruiter for the state of Montana while he was at MSU and a VERY detail oriented, team building type coach.

Just confirming (through a personal relationship) that Gundy has an eye for talent and will find good coaches. Spot on Chise.

 

[DaCanes386]

Agree with the OP.

And I'm on record, I like Mullen. I think he would do really well here.

Pitch him, show him the progress that's been made at Miami with facilities. Show him the plan for the indoor practice facility, and that he gets the budget to hire the staff he thinks can win at the highest level. Remind him that he lost his DC to Florida, and that Miss State will always be 2nd Class in that conference. Make it clear that his options are to compete for 2nd or 3rd in the SEC West every year, or win the ACC every year.

Mullen has to be tired of getting his head beat in by Bama. Ole Miss runs that state. He also has to play Arkansas, LSU, and aTm EVERY year. And like Patterson, he's also losing his "franchise" QB after this season ...

And if we miss on Mullen ... Go get Herman or Fuente.

Truth is, like recruiting, if those guys have a legit interest in the program, they won't be bothered by Miami pursuing a more established coach first. If they use that as the reason to turn us down, they were looking for a reason to turn us down.

We need to swing big on this hire ... And not be worried about getting rejections.

Worst case, Butch gets the job. And if that happens after a thorough search, nobody will gripe about that!

Let's not forget the Adidas ties... Mullen would be a nice hire.

 

[Jassid82]

Exactly how I see it, OP. This is the ultimate diamond in the rough for any ambitious HC. To be kicking around fired losers and retreads is ridiculous. Shoot for the moon.

We have been saying this for 7-8 years now..And nobody seems to think this way but us. And we got stuck with Shannon and Golden. I am at the point to where I just want a guy who wants the **** job. (BUTCH) All this "diamond in the rough" sounds like the same stuff we have been saying for years only to get let down.

Is this a great job? Of course! We are fans and we know what we have here and that we are a sleeping giant.

Do people nationally think this is a great job? (in coaching circles).. Yet to be determined. History is not on our side unfortunately when it comes to this.

The fact that we chose the wrong HCs doesn't diminish the greatness of the job. You're conflating separate issues. Plenty of great programs have hired really bad HCs over the years. They've had long stretches of bad hires, and it's not because the job wasn't great; it's because they gave it to the wrong guys.

Southern Cal, LSU, Bama, UF, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma and many other marquee programs have struggled for long stretches with bad HC hires. Do you think those are bad jobs? Or did they just make bad choices?

Missed the point, Chise...My point was that we all thought it was a great job and that people would be falling over themselves to get in here and coach the "U" only to have everyone give us the "Not interested but thanks for the call" lingo year after year. How you think we got stuck with Golden? He was probably the 5-6th guy on our coaching list.

All im saying is im not falling for it again. All this "secret source" talk about how Strong, Pagano, Herman and other guys are "secretly" interested sounds like BS. I legit think the only guys that are interested are Mario, Chud (when Pagano gets fired) and Butch. Maybe guys like JPruitt or MStoops because they are desperate to get out of their situations.

 

[252cane]

Exactly how I see it, OP. This is the ultimate diamond in the rough for any ambitious HC. To be kicking around fired losers and retreads is ridiculous. Shoot for the moon.

We have been saying this for 7-8 years now..And nobody seems to think this way but us. And we got stuck with Shannon and Golden. I am at the point to where I just want a guy who wants the **** job. (BUTCH) All this "diamond in the rough" sounds like the same stuff we have been saying for years only to get let down.

Is this a great job? Of course! We are fans and we know what we have here and that we are a sleeping giant.

Do people nationally think this is a great job? (in coaching circles).. Yet to be determined. History is not on our side unfortunately when it comes to this.

The fact that we chose the wrong HCs doesn't diminish the greatness of the job. You're conflating separate issues. Plenty of great programs have hired really bad HCs over the years. They've had long stretches of bad hires, and it's not because the job wasn't great; it's because they gave it to the wrong guys.

Southern Cal, LSU, Bama, UF, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma and many other marquee programs have struggled for long stretches with bad HC hires. Do you think those are bad jobs? Or did they just make bad choices?

Missed the point, Chise...My point was that we all thought it was a great job and that people would be falling over themselves to get in here and coach the "U" only to have everyone give us the "Not interested but thanks for the call" lingo year after year. How you think we got stuck with Golden? He was probably the 5-6th guy on our coaching list.

All im saying is im not falling for it again. All this "secret source" talk about how Strong, Pagano, Herman and other guys are "secretly" interested sounds like BS. I legit think the only guys that are interested are Mario, Chud (when Pagano gets fired) and Butch. Maybe guys like JPruitt or MStoops because they are desperate to get out of their situations.

I agree.

 

[canestim]

can someone let me know again why we are thinking Gundy is going to leave OSU for us ?

Stop being small-minded. It is not about whether he would leave or not. It is about how our University should be approaching this search.

He is not being small-minded, his post has merit. Gundy was born in Oklahoma, played at Oklahoma State, has been a coach at OKST since 2001, and at the end of this season will likely get a raise equal to or more than what we are going to pay a coach. Not saying you don't ask but the odds are VERY low.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Exactly how I see it, OP. This is the ultimate diamond in the rough for any ambitious HC. To be kicking around fired losers and retreads is ridiculous. Shoot for the moon.

Whoever disagrees with this is being shortsighted. I think only a handful do.

Now, what do both of you (@WhatTheHell) say if or when we can't land one of those guys. The rhetoric is one thing. Making it happen is unfortunately another thing altogether. And, that doesn't make it right. It just makes it a possible reality.

So, what do you do if or when we shoot for the moon and miss?

As long as they pitch guys like Patterson and the other monsters, then I'm good with moving to the next tier. If the next tier (Herman) also rejects you, then I think you need better pitch men.

I think the pitch to guys like Patterson and Gundy are easier than many think. You tell Patterson "the job is yours. No interview. Sign and move in." I wouldn't be surprised if he realizes that he's in trouble next year at TCU without Boykin and Doctson. He could definitely slide next year to 8 wins. He needs to have a transcendent QB like Boykin to win at TCU; he doesn't need that here.

Gundy, it has been rumored loudly, has had a lot of problems with the brass at OSU. He will likely drop a game soon and find himself on the outside of the playoff picture. Maybe it's time for him to make a move.

I'm up for that.

With some of the Cristobal insanity I keep hearing, I think you may be deeply disappointed.

If Cristobal is the best we can come up with I am done with this program.

 

[Tad Footeball]

can someone let me know again why we are thinking Gundy is going to leave OSU for us ?

Stop being small-minded. It is not about whether he would leave or not. It is about how our University should be approaching this search.

He is not being small-minded, his post has merit. Gundy was born in Oklahoma, played at Oklahoma State, has been a coach at OKST since 2001, and at the end of this season will likely get a raise equal to or more than what we are going to pay a coach. Not saying you don't ask but the odds are VERY low.

Not a perfect analogy but Gundy isn't the only guy to follow that path and leave. Take a look at a Rich Rod. Born in West Virginia, played at West Virginia and then is the head coach there only to bolt to a place he (mistakenly) thought he could win easier at after assuming he maxed out in Morgantown and was having issues with their admin. Sure, a lifer alumnus coach isn't an easy pry but it has been done before.

 

[WhatTheHell]

can someone let me know again why we are thinking Gundy is going to leave OSU for us ?

Already discussed on page 1:

Mike Gundy has pursued the Florida job, almost taken the Tennessee job, and reportedly him and T Boone Pickens can't stand each other.

Oklahoma State head coach Mike Gundy 'pursuing' Florida job, per report - SBNation.com
Mike Gundy nearly left Oklahoma State for Tennessee, per CBS Sports - SBNation.com
Boone Pickens-Mike Gundy feud: Strained relationships seem to be the norm for Gundy these days | News OK

 

[MIATL]

Exactly how I see it, OP. This is the ultimate diamond in the rough for any ambitious HC. To be kicking around fired losers and retreads is ridiculous. Shoot for the moon.

We have been saying this for 7-8 years now..And nobody seems to think this way but us. And we got stuck with Shannon and Golden. I am at the point to where I just want a guy who wants the **** job. (BUTCH) All this "diamond in the rough" sounds like the same stuff we have been saying for years only to get let down.

Is this a great job? Of course! We are fans and we know what we have here and that we are a sleeping giant.

Do people nationally think this is a great job? (in coaching circles).. Yet to be determined. History is not on our side unfortunately when it comes to this.

The fact that we chose the wrong HCs doesn't diminish the greatness of the job. You're conflating separate issues. Plenty of great programs have hired really bad HCs over the years. They've had long stretches of bad hires, and it's not because the job wasn't great; it's because they gave it to the wrong guys.

Southern Cal, LSU, Bama, UF, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma and many other marquee programs have struggled for long stretches with bad HC hires. Do you think those are bad jobs? Or did they just make bad choices?

Missed the point, Chise...My point was that we all thought it was a great job and that people would be falling over themselves to get in here and coach the "U" only to have everyone give us the "Not interested but thanks for the call" lingo year after year. How you think we got stuck with Golden? He was probably the 5-6th guy on our coaching list.

All im saying is im not falling for it again. All this "secret source" talk about how Strong, Pagano, Herman and other guys are "secretly" interested sounds like BS. I legit think the only guys that are interested are Mario, Chud (when Pagano gets fired) and Butch. Maybe guys like JPruitt or MStoops because they are desperate to get out of their situations.

I remember Hocutt saying something similar after Golden was hired: Basically, the interest has to be reciprocated. And, probably based on multiple factors, Golden was the best option for us last time.

Coker and Shannon were rushed hires ... Both guys were the path of least resistance. But both also made sense ... Coker was hired based on continuity. Shannon was hired based on his "Miami ties", assistant coach of the year award, and his defenses. Randy Shannon was Pat Narduzzi when he was hired. It didn't work, but I understood the hire. I suspect there was also the desire to make a diversity hire ...

That's history, though.

With this hire:

- We're paying over $3MM
- We've got improved facilities
- No pending NCAA investigation
- Probation period is over
- Highly thought of QB
- Coastal is still terrible
- We're giving money for quality staff
- And after 3 failed coaches, the guy who revives this program can be a legend

That's a lot to offer, IMO.