Week 9 Stat Roll

On Joe Rose this morning, Mario said they changed things up on offense in the 2nd half. He said they were always flexible and adaptive depending on the situation. We did see some some off tackle runs and 4 wides.

One half of football against an awful team in a game that became a rout doesn't make a trend, however:

First Half: 39 plays for 176 yards (4.51 per play), 7 points
Second Half: 23 plays for 173 yards (7.52 per play), 28 points *I did not include the last drive in any of this*

So, yes, we were way better in the 2nd half. Still only got 173 yards, but that's because we had 2 drives start at their 40 or inside, after the 2 picks and 2 punt returns.
 
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The lack of offensive production is still a head-scratcher. I'm sorry, but we have more than enough talent on this offense to be generating explosive plays. We have the slowest offense in the history of college football. My grandma moves with more urgency. We are completely playing against Becks strengths
Maybe the staff knows something about Beck that we don't...
 
I don't agree with this line of thinking. I keep seeing this here. "Well Lance said it lowers the margin for error". Don't get me wrong, I respect Lance very much and he knows more about this stuff than me. But I'd love to be educated how running more plays automatically lowers your margin for error. Let me preface this by saying, I would be in favor of going faster, simply because we have 7 games of data showing going at our current pace isn't working very well. So, I'm all for trying something a little different. But I think people are under some impression that this magically equates to production. We are bad on offense on a per play basis. Let me make that very clear. Down to down, this is an average offense. So, you think adding more mediocrity (aka more plays) magically makes us better. And magically improves this margin of error? Again, I'm an analytical guy, but admittedly am not an expert in this line of thinking. So I'm all for being educated.

I make a basketball analogy. The league is obsessed with three point shooting. And yes, if you're an efficient shooter, you should shoot threes and often because they're worth 1.5X more than a two-point shot. But what if you shoot 22% from three? Should you still jack them up relentlessly?

Again, back to us, if we had last year's offense, **** **** yes, run as many plays as possible. Because every time you snap the ball, you get 7.5 yards a play, which is the best in the history of the school, so keep banking 7.5 after 7.5, you'll likely score points. Does that same thinking hold true when you're 55th in the country in yards per play? We should just be average even faster than we are? I'm not sure I buy this magically lowers the margin of error.

Either way, as I've said 50X in this thread, we have to do something. Because this offense isn't good enough right now. If thread 1 to pull is "go faster", have at it. Do something.
I'm not parroting Lance, it's actually my own opinion also. But, getting more possessions per game makes the times you don't drive down and put up points less important. It would also make turnovers less catastrophic. It makes drive killing penalties less important. We need to be able to show we can drive down quickly and put up points. We got 4 drives in the first half against the tree and came away with 7 points. Play a team that can score points and every possession becomes even more important if you're only going to get 4 chances to put up points. It's like we purposefully trap ourselves into what gt did to Cam last year.. minimal possessions. If our plan is beat teams physically and wear them down caveman style, more plays means more physical wear and tear and you get them tired faster. I want more chances to beat them up, more chances to make them think twice about selling out for a tackle. More chances for a tired defense to make a mistake so we can actually have an explosive play. We're not stressing defenses at all, we run the same plays over and over and then give them time to rest and regroup. We play slow as **** and let them substitute at will and crowd the box to stuff what they know is coming. That is a **** poor recipe. This offense is mid at best and it aint cause we have mid players. Thankfully the defense is playing incredible.
100 million percent agree.. Do something else.
 
i really think that diversifying the run game fixes so many of our issues on offense. we always knew we were gonna lean more on the run this year than last, and that beck is a game manager type. that's fine. the issue in my eyes is that our run calls are so predictable that we're neutralizing ourselves. in particular, we need explosive plays out of the run game. the 4 yards and a cloud of dust stuff is fine when it's working, but why not work off tackle with lyle or pringle more often? why not a little more misdirection? honestly, even running the *same* plays but just out of different looks would help in terms of defenses keying in on them every time.

a little more diversity in the run game and popping an explosive or two by handing the ball off all of a sudden makes things way better. number one, we just need more explosive plays as it's very hard to score consistently on methodical, 12 play drives. number two, if we keep defenses guessing more that will generate space for more explosives in the passing game.
 
outside for Fletch & Damian Martinez

2024:
Ward - 14 carries of 10+ yards on 44 att.
Lyle - 9 carries of 10+ on 60 att. (3 15+ yard carries)
Ajay Allen - 4 carries of 10+ on 25 att. (2 15+ yard carries)
Lofton - 1 carry of 10+ on 2 att. (1 15+ yard carry)
Chris Johnson Jr - 1 on 6 att. (1 15+ yard carry)

2025:
Marty Brown: 4 carries of 10+ yards on 65 att.
Keelan Marion: 2 carries of 10+ on 2 att. (1 15+ yard carry)
Emory Vick: 2 carries of 10+ on 2 att.
Toney: 2 carries of 10+ on 3 att.
Wheatley-Humphrey: 2 carries of 10+ on 14 att.
Lyle: 2 carries of 10+ on 21 att. (1 15+ yard carry)
Pringle: 1 carry of 10+ on 10 att. (1 15+ yard carry)
Beck 1 carry of 10+ on 19 att.

Nothing to see here…
Marion:1/1
Vick(hahaha): 1/1
Toney: 1/1.5
CWH: 1/5
Fletcher: 1/6
Pringle: 1/10
Lyle: 1/10
Marty 1/16
Beck: 1/19
 
I'm not parroting Lance, it's actually my own opinion also. But, getting more possessions per game makes the times you don't drive down and put up points less important. It would also make turnovers less catastrophic. It makes drive killing penalties less important. We need to be able to show we can drive down quickly and put up points. We got 4 drives in the first half against the tree and came away with 7 points. Play a team that can score points and every possession becomes even more important if you're only going to get 4 chances to put up points. It's like we purposefully trap ourselves into what gt did to Cam last year.. minimal possessions. If our plan is beat teams physically and wear them down caveman style, more plays means more physical wear and tear and you get them tired faster. I want more chances to beat them up, more chances to make them think twice about selling out for a tackle. More chances for a tired defense to make a mistake so we can actually have an explosive play. We're not stressing defenses at all, we run the same plays over and over and then give them time to rest and regroup. We play slow as **** and let them substitute at will and crowd the box to stuff what they know is coming. That is a **** poor recipe. This offense is mid at best and it aint cause we have mid players. Thankfully the defense is playing incredible.
100 million percent agree.. Do something else.

Shouldn't have mentioned Lance's name, he's not the only one saying this, I've just seen his comments on the pod mentioned more than once.

I understand all this, and thank you for the rational, adult thoughts. I guess I can't wrap my mind around the fact that going faster into mediocrity is going to produce anything other than mediocrity. But the more I think about it, the more I'm understanding, and one thing that just popped into my mind, if you want to break it down for a neanderthal like me, is points per drive.

We are 40th in points per drive on offense (2.67)

But we are 20th in points per drive allowed (1.65)

So, every time we trade drives with the other team, we're +1 point. If we have more drives, in theory, that gap grows. I suppose I understand that, but this is being driven by our defense, not our offense.

Again, in 2024, we were #1 in points per drive on offense (3.83 per drive). So my brain can compute going faster to run more plays to get more drives to score more points. But when your offense is 40th, I don't see how the magic pill to create more separation is to go faster on offense. Your offense isn't good, why is seeing more of it the be-all answer?
 
Shouldn't have mentioned Lance's name, he's not the only one saying this, I've just seen his comments on the pod mentioned more than once.

I understand all this, and thank you for the rational, adult thoughts. I guess I can't wrap my mind around the fact that going faster into mediocrity is going to produce anything other than mediocrity. But the more I think about it, the more I'm understanding, and one thing that just popped into my mind, if you want to break it down for a neanderthal like me, is points per drive.

We are 40th in points per drive on offense (2.67)

But we are 20th in points per drive allowed (1.65)

So, every time we trade drives with the other team, we're +1 point. If we have more drives, in theory, that gap grows. I suppose I understand that, but this is being driven by our defense, not our offense.

Again, in 2024, we were #1 in points per drive on offense (3.83 per drive). So my brain can compute going faster to run more plays to get more drives to score more points. But when your offense is 40th, I don't see how the magic pill to create more separation is to go faster on offense. Your offense isn't good, why is seeing more of it the be-all answer?
I think this is the backbone of the “don’t do anything stupid” philosophy we have

It’s not wrong

Not to oversimplify it but I think the issue with somewhat rational folks seems to be “well what about after we do stupid ****?”
 
Shouldn't have mentioned Lance's name, he's not the only one saying this, I've just seen his comments on the pod mentioned more than once.

I understand all this, and thank you for the rational, adult thoughts. I guess I can't wrap my mind around the fact that going faster into mediocrity is going to produce anything other than mediocrity. But the more I think about it, the more I'm understanding, and one thing that just popped into my mind, if you want to break it down for a neanderthal like me, is points per drive.

We are 40th in points per drive on offense (2.67)

But we are 20th in points per drive allowed (1.65)

So, every time we trade drives with the other team, we're +1 point. If we have more drives, in theory, that gap grows. I suppose I understand that, but this is being driven by our defense, not our offense.

Again, in 2024, we were #1 in points per drive on offense (3.83 per drive). So my brain can compute going faster to run more plays to get more drives to score more points. But when your offense is 40th, I don't see how the magic pill to create more separation is to go faster on offense. Your offense isn't good, why is seeing more of it the be-all answer?
I dunno bro, I'm just hoping more plays is more chances to do something else but if the philosophy is to out physical the other team then more plays should equal tiring them out faster. Don't give them a chance to get fresh bodies in there and definitely don't give them time to regroup and have a sandwich between plays. The offensive philosophy doesn't help our guys on the field at all... it def helps the other teams defense tho.
 
I dunno bro, I'm just hoping more plays is more chances to do something else but if the philosophy is to out physical the other team then more plays should equal tiring them out faster. Don't give them a chance to get fresh bodies in there and definitely don't give them time to regroup and have a sandwich between plays. The offensive philosophy doesn't help our guys on the field at all... it def helps the other teams defense tho.

I guess this is kind of where I am too.

If the suggestion for more space and pace comes from the line of thinking that we're doing something different, and what we're currently doing isn't working, so let's zig when we've been zagging, I'm all for it. Makes total sense.

But just in a vacuum saying, "Give me more samples of the 55th best offense in the country and that increases our chances of winning", that makes no sense.

If you told me we'd be more efficient doing something different, whether it be pace, space, I don't care, run the ******* Wing-T....then **** yes, let's do it.

But just "go faster" when your offense is pedestrian does nothing for me, other than it just being something different. Different is OK, I guess. Different and BETTER...sign me up.
 
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Can’t believe how bad this stupid offense is. I held Dawson in such high regard but it looks like Cam made his career.
I just think Mario’s philosophy is flawed. Early in games he should be just trying to score by any means. Then in 2nd half run the ball and lean on teams when ur up. Leaning on teams in 1st half when fresh makes 0 sense to me. Not saying don’t run it
 
Cam was like an OC on the field. Dawson said it himself, that he often didn't know what play was going to be run. Beck is good at setting the protections, but it doesn't look like he'll change the plays like Ward did. I might be wrong, but it seemed like Ward could read the defense he was seeing and change the play on the fly.
 
Only one false start on OL. They intentionally try to make him jump and it worked. The other false start was on 87. And yes it killed the first drive.

Would love to see read option with Toney on 3rd or 4th and 1. Atleast that takes one or two guy out of the box. And even if Toney makes a mistake and pulls, I like his athleticism to still get the first.

Call me crazy, but I think this is the game Trader has a coming out party. He played 20 snaps last game, but the coverages were rolled against him. So he was in the game plan. SMU secondary straight sucks. Unleash this man please. He could change this offense. He needs more snaps than Marion this game.

Crazy!
 
everyone crying play calling, the combination of receivers who arent really getting separation and or a qb who is just not good enough is the problem

we saw this OC dial up the #1 offense in the country last year, cant just say he sucks, theres obviously a personnel issue
 
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everyone crying play calling, the combination of receivers who arent really getting separation and or a qb who is just not good enough is the problem

we saw this OC dial up the #1 offense in the country last year, cant just say he sucks, theres obviously a personnel issue
Those players didn’t recruit themselves…
 
Those players didn’t recruit themselves…
this is fair, but this does show the year over year portal qb deal is not 100% and yes we have not recruited receiver at an elite level, we may still be waiting for our first draft pick at the position in a minute
 
Not sure how accurate this really is, and also doesn't account for situation obviously, but teamrankings.com has Miami at 127th in the country in seconds per play. Meaning, we take 29.6 between each play, which ranks 127th out of 136. Yes, Army and Navy are lower/slower, but not many other teams.

HOWEVER, and again I think some of this is situation driven because they're almost always winning, but Ohio State is dead last. 136th out of 136. Vanderbilt, who is a Top 10 team, is 131st. So I don't think this directly correlates to winning or offensive production. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Last year, we were 77th in this number. So it wasn't exactly hyperspeed there either.

Again, I don't think the problem is pace. Some could disagree, and that's OK, I'm not saying I'm right. I'm not saying pace = production, but if you want to argue we should go faster, I'll agree because what we're doing isn't working.

But Ohio State, again, is dead last. They're 25th in yards per play. We're 55th. So slow isn't necessarily bad, but if you're slow AND inefficient, maybe try to switch it up? I do think though the staff understands they have a championship defense and perhaps their line of thinking is, we can win games with that side, so possess the ball, obviously try to score points but don't sacrifice quick punts to do it, and keep our defense fresh because that's our superior unit? Just spitballing. Obviously it'd be ideal to be Top 10 on both sides, but there's probably a reason very few teams historically are. You usually need to play complementary, and scoring 50 and allowing zero probably only exists on XBox. Again, thinking/typing out loud.
I mean if you could adjust to 1st half or while the score was within 1 score it’d be more accurate.
 
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