Week 7 Stat Roll

Our RBs aren’t good at the 2nd level of the defense(tbd on lyle), biggest difference from them and Martinez. Fletch has made some solid 2nd level plays this year tho but Martinez would basically add 3-5 yards to majority of his 6-8 yard runs
Fair point. I still think it has more to do with the blocking from our IOL relative to last year than our RBs. Martinez averaged 3.65 ypc against FBS teams without before Rivers came back against Louisville. After that were getting ~30 snaps/game with an OL of Bell (LT)/Rivers(LG)/Carpenter(C)/Cooper(RG)/CiCi(RT), and we were a better running team the second half of the year in all respects. #6 averaged 6.72 ypc L'Ville - to the bowl game (7.63 ypc including the bowl game). We havent been nearly as effective getting our OL to the second level this year. It looked like we duo-maxxed a lot less against FSU. Curious to see what Dawson and Mirabel cooked up for L'Ville over the bye. Hopefully we run better than we have been.
 
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Our offense is lacking explosives. Big time. Throw in a couple 80 yard TD passes/runs and the entire statistical profile changes dramatically. Marty Brown’s non-TD for example.

And yes, I understand how statistics work. We need more explosives.
Marion doesn't get a penalty and Toney still running a 50,000 yard touchdown
 
Edited the OP to show the advanced metrics from gameonpaper.com

Kind of what I expected....not incredibly elite in any one area, but 12th in the country in offensive success % and 9th in the country in defensive success % is fantastic.

Here are the only teams who are Top 15 in both offensive and defensive success rate:

Indiana - 4th on offense, 3rd on defense
Missouri - 9th on offense, 11th on defense
Utah -- 5th on offense, 14th on defense
Miami -- 12th on offense, 9th on defense

These 4 teams are a combined 21-2
 
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Edited the OP to show the advanced metrics from gameonpaper.com

Kind of what I expected....not incredibly elite in any one area, but 12th in the country in offensive success % and 9th in the country in defensive success % is fantastic.

Here are the only teams who are Top 15 in both offensive and defensive success rate:

Indiana - 4th on offense, 3rd on defense
Missouri - 9th on offense, 11th on defense
Utah -- 5th on offense, 14th on defense
Miami -- 12th on offense, 9th on defense

These 4 teams are a combined 21-2
Couple questions for you

1. Is there a simple YouTube video or a link that can explain what these advanced metrics mean? I'm talking Clif's Notes meets Statistics for Dummies.
2. I tried to find average yards per run before contact and had no luck. Is this even tracked? I was trying to reply to the dude who mentioned everyone was blowing the OL, but failed...at finding the statistic.

Thank you
 
well playing FSU, UF, ND, USF, and even Louisville in the first 6 games will do that

it'll even out by end of the year and we'll trickle up to the top 25 in both offense and defense
 
Couple questions for you

1. Is there a simple YouTube video or a link that can explain what these advanced metrics mean? I'm talking Clif's Notes meets Statistics for Dummies.
2. I tried to find average yards per run before contact and had no luck. Is this even tracked? I was trying to reply to the dude who mentioned everyone was blowing the OL, but failed...at finding the statistic.

Thank you
1.https://gameonpaper.com/cfb/glossary#glossary-section-S
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2. That's probably only available from the sites the coaches use. You could try pestering Parker Fleming (https://x.com/statsowar?t=blx331XCiQmp8lCYAv29lw&s=09), he probably has it. Even I'm not autistic enough to go through our games and try calculate it by hand.

@BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati https://www.cfb-graphs.com/protected/players/rushing

Parker has individual YBC & YAC for runners. Here's our guys (order is Fletcher, Pringle, brown, Lyle)
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Its unrealistic to expect an OL to be excellent at both.
I don’t disagree but I guarantee that’s the standard set in that room. Not blaming the players. If anything I think it’s more on the play calling/game-plan.
 
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1.https://gameonpaper.com/cfb/glossary#glossary-section-S
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2. That's probably only available from the sites the coaches use. You could try pestering Parker Fleming (https://x.com/statsowar?t=blx331XCiQmp8lCYAv29lw&s=09), he probably has it. Even I'm not autistic enough to go through our games and try calculate it by hand.

@BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati https://www.cfb-graphs.com/protected/players/rushing

Parker has individual YBC & YAC for runners. Here's our guys (order is Fletcher, Pringle, brown, Lyle)
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Thank you.
“Even I’m not autistic enough …,” 💀 💀 💀 😂
 
You're not wrong, but just because I know other people don't, these are purely raw numbers. We have only played 4 FBS games. There are only 5 other programs in the country who have only played 4 FBS games as well. But regardless, we know we need to be more explosive on offense.

Especially in the run game. Last year, we averaged 1.75 runs of 20+ yards per game.

This year, we only have 4 in 4 games.

Last year, we had nine runs of 30+ in 12 games.
This year, we have one.
Agreed but while it's very apparent that we need to be more explosive on offense and some of those numbers seem like cause for concern, the raw numbers above are not necessarily surprising for the more discerning among us.

There are many factors that have gone into the numbers above being what they are after our first 5 games(4 FBS games). The bottom line is that this offense is a work in progress and was always going to be an offense that was far more likely to be playing it's best football late in the season(barring injury).

First, we have an entire new cast of WRs and TEs for the most part. Cam Ward was the #1 pick in the NFL Draft and we are replacing our top 6 pass catchers from last year. We have a very experienced and productive QB in Carson Beck but he missed all of spring as he recovered from surgery on his throwing arm.

We had to replace Damien Martinez and while Fletcher and Brown have played very well we have been without Jordan Lyle who won the #1 RB spot in Fall. He's been hurt since the 1st series vs ND in game 1. He is our most complete back and by far the most explosive of the top 3. His return will certainly help over the last half of the season.

We have played 3 of the most talented defenses on our schedule and we have by far played better defenses than any top 25 team in the nation. Couple that with the fact that our run scheme is not something that is a mystery to any of our opponents. We usually run right up the gut and defensive coordinators have had 3 years of film of which to study all of our tendencies.

Our starting center James Brockermeyer is a very good center and he excels in pass protection. However his only knock is in his run blocking that while certainly not terrible, isn't at the level of Lee and Carpenter who came before him. Add the loss of Lyle and our more run centric offense this year and defenses have made it very difficult to gain rushing yards consistently.

Elija Lofton and Jojo Trader who were supposed to be a big part of the offense have both been hurt to start the season. CJ Daniels and Malachi Toney have been excellent but the offense has bogged down at times due to a lack of options in the passing game when Daniels and Toney are covered.

The return of Lyle and Trader plus Lofton getting back to 100% will be a shot in the arm for this offense. In addition to those three, the continued development of Josh Moore could be a major factor. We could also see possible late season contributions from talented freshmen like Daylin Upshaw, Chance Robinson, Luka Gilbert and Brock Schott.

Carson Beck will continue to become more comfortable in this offense and develop more chemistry with Lyle, Lofton, Trader and Moore in addition to what he has currently with Daniels, Toney, Fletcher and Brown. Dawson will also find better more effective ways of using experienced talents like Keelan Marion and Tony Johnson.

Finally, after Louisville, we will experience a steep decline in the quality of defenses this offense will face with squads like Syracuse, SMU, NC State, Stanford and Virginia Tech being truly abysmal.
 
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Fair point. I still think it has more to do with the blocking from our IOL relative to last year than our RBs. Martinez averaged 3.65 ypc against FBS teams without before Rivers came back against Louisville. After that were getting ~30 snaps/game with an OL of Bell (LT)/Rivers(LG)/Carpenter(C)/Cooper(RG)/CiCi(RT), and we were a better running team the second half of the year in all respects. #6 averaged 6.72 ypc L'Ville - to the bowl game (7.63 ypc including the bowl game). We havent been nearly as effective getting our OL to the second level this year. It looked like we duo-maxxed a lot less against FSU. Curious to see what Dawson and Mirabel cooked up for L'Ville over the bye. Hopefully we run better than we have been.
Agreed. Carpenter probably the best run blocking center we’ve had in the mario era so far
 
Agreed. Carpenter probably the best run blocking center we’ve had in the mario era so far
That OL with Rivers at Guard was the best run blocking OL I've seen from UM in 35 years of watching them. If the forward pass wasn't a thing, lol, Rivers would have a long and distinguished career in the NFL at Guard.

There are some positive tradeoffs with this year's OL. The WR screen game is much better, because Brockermeyer is quick enought to get out and block, and I think Bauman is better at blocking in the screen game than last year's TEs. He did a great job in that respect against FSU.
 
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Fair point. I still think it has more to do with the blocking from our IOL relative to last year than our RBs. Martinez averaged 3.65 ypc against FBS teams without before Rivers came back against Louisville. After that were getting ~30 snaps/game with an OL of Bell (LT)/Rivers(LG)/Carpenter(C)/Cooper(RG)/CiCi(RT), and we were a better running team the second half of the year in all respects. #6 averaged 6.72 ypc L'Ville - to the bowl game (7.63 ypc including the bowl game). We havent been nearly as effective getting our OL to the second level this year. It looked like we duo-maxxed a lot less against FSU. Curious to see what Dawson and Mirabel cooked up for L'Ville over the bye. Hopefully we run better than we have been.

For whatever reason:

Fletcher outplayed Martinez the 1st half of last season. At the time I commented how slow Martinez was to the LOS. It was weird. Maybe he was out of shape.

Martinez lost his starting spot to Fletcher after the bye (Fletcher started Games 7 & 8 vs Louisville & FSU) before Martinez won it back.

Martinez hit a level/gear in the 2nd half of the season Fletcher simply doesn't have. I agree Rivers coming back helped - but weird it only helped Martinez and not Fletcher. Maybe Martinez losing his spot lit a fire under his ***.

2024 Season:
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You're not wrong, but just because I know other people don't, these are purely raw numbers. We have only played 4 FBS games. There are only 5 other programs in the country who have only played 4 FBS games as well. But regardless, we know we need to be more explosive on offense.

Especially in the run game. Last year, we averaged 1.75 runs of 20+ yards per game.

This year, we only have 4 in 4 games.

Last year, we had nine runs of 30+ in 12 games.
This year, we have one.
Ajay Allen had 2 of those 9 30+ yd runs.

Our RB's weren't very explosive last year, and we really aren't this year.

While Lyle is faster than Fletcher & Brown - the reality people aren't ready to deal with yet is Lyle isn't really that fast.

But that's ok. While it's boring - pairing an efficient but not explosive run game with a very good passing attack and dominant defense gets the job done. If the defense fails, or we have to play from behind, that's when it could be a problem.
 
For whatever reason:

Fletcher outplayed Martinez the 1st half of last season. At the time I commented how slow Martinez was to the LOS. It was weird. Maybe he was out of shape.

Martinez lost his starting spot to Fletcher after the bye (Fletcher started Games 7 & 8 vs Louisville & FSU) before Martinez won it back.

Martinez hit a level/gear in the 2nd half of the season Fletcher simply doesn't have. I agree Rivers coming back helped - but weird it only helped Martinez and not Fletcher. Maybe Martinez losing his spot lit a fire under his ***.

2024 Season:
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Take away the G5 and FCS games and Fletcher averaged 4.9 ypc first four games. Think that's a better comparison against the final 7 games.

#6 had at least 5 runs of ~30+ yards after Rivers came back (am including the stolen 55-yarder against Cuse, lol), and just one before (against FAMU). I think Rivers was the key, because he was a much better run blocker at LT than Bell, and when he was at Guard we were able to get OL to the second level much more often when running duo, so we saw more explosive runs.

Fletcher still isn't close to Martinez breaking long runs, but he's doing a better job after contact this year (3.13 yards after contact), which is the best on the team.
 
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