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We better have a Top 10 defensive backfield this year

Liberty City El said:
We have to hope Couch or Williams step up & take Ivey's spot, he's the weakest link in the Secondary.

I think with Hall, Bolden (when healthy), Keontra Smith, Jalen Harrell & Tae Williams we could have a very good Safety group.

Don't give AF what anybody says, but I still think we should go get Meiko Dotson.
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Agree on Dotson. Can’t deny production
 
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DMoney said:
Or the high-profile recruiting losses will really hurt.

247Sports recently released projected depth charts for Alabama, Florida and Georgia. All four of Bama’s projected starting DBs (Surtain, Jobe, Battle and Wright) were from South Florida. Three of Florida’s starters (Wilson, Elam and Davis) were from South Florida. Finally, two of Georgia’s starters (Tyrique and Campbell) were from South Florida, along with their top backup (Wilson).

There is plenty of talent in Miami’s defensive backfield. Eleven total four stars. But given what has left the region, we need Rumph and Banda to coach our guys to an elite level. 37th in yards per pass attempt is not good enough, especially considering our pass rush. Anything less than a Top 10 finish is a failure.
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But which type of sfla talent? U naming studs but there will be bottom tier guys as well. Bama went all out for that back end.
 
I feel like with a now fast pace Offense, the Defensive stats are going to dip. Due to the fact they’ll be on the field a lot more, although (fingers crossed) won’t be defending a short field as often, like last season.

Lets hope our DL has a great season as we’re aspecting, or that back field is in for a really long season.
 
NONE of those DB's have impressed at the college level, and tbh, you could make the argument a few have been disappointments (wouldn't call any busts). None of the 5 stars have lived up to that billing.

Bolden and Hall are better than any of the other Safety tandems listed there tbh. Our Cb's are suspect af, and Ivey -- who I was high on -- ain't gonna cut it.

Even then, the point is still well taken. I'd love to have EVERY SINGLE one of those db's on the roster. Right now.
 
DMoney said:
A couple people I’ve talked to on the inside think that Ivey has the highest upside and will ultimately be the best CB.

Obviously, it’s just their opinion, and they realize that Ivey had a very rough start. But I thought it was interesting.
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Still taking blades, didn’t give up a td pass all year allowed 18 receptions on over 40 passing attempts while giving up less than 240 yards. Just for context that Cb stingley who Most hyped up as begin some sensational never seen before freshman cb gave up over 650 yards 6 tds this season.
 
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Liberty City El said:
His lack of recovery speed is troubling.

His main issue is he doesn't makeup for what he lacks in speed with top notch technique, his technique is just as poor as his natural traits.

His worst game was vs Duke, he got beat like a rented mule & was trailing behind every WR he covered.

I think Rumph likes him a great deal so he'll be the automatic starter but he's going to be a problem for us in coverage if we don't wise up & play someone better at that spot.

Al Jr is going to be **** good & is by far the best CB imo.
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He was bad against VA too

I'm so sick of this "automatic starter" **** at UM...I'm sure Zion Nelson will be given an automatic starter status too...Then when he gives up 10 sacks this year instead of 16, everyone will rave about his improvements ...and that's not even a knock on Nelson, it's a knock on the staff

I don't like Ivey, and hope he proves me wrong...I think the kid is ridiculously soft. There was no physicality on his HS tape, and anytime he did get a pick, he looked like an outside linebacker trying to return it. He has length and I can't think of one other good quality...This staff will treat him and Blades like they are friction' Hayes and Haynes for the 80s Raiders the next 2 years when they should be fighgint for their jobs every single day. I also don't understand how he comes out of the doghouse so easy...Here are some Ivey standout moments

1. Suspended 1st chance to start a CFB (not to mention it was vs. an in-state rival)
2. The fake punt debacle vs GT (just horrible)
3. All the kissy/huggy likes and re-tweets of Jaiden Francois de-commits and and emotional twitter roller coaster.

Nice intangibles there ^...That's who I want to go to war with.
 
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supersaiyanshel said:
NONE of those DB's have impressed at the college level, and tbh, you could make the argument a few have been disappointments (wouldn't call any busts). None of the 5 stars have lived up to that billing.

Bolden and Hall are better than any of the other Safety tandems listed there tbh. Our Cb's are suspect af, and Ivey -- who I was high on -- ain't gonna cut it.

Even then, the point is still well taken. I'd love to have EVERY SINGLE one of those db's on the roster. Right now.
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this, **** you can make the argument blades had a better sophmore season than any of the dbs that were in that 2018 class in south Florida which includes guys like campbell/surtain etc and that’s not an exaggeration
 
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brock said:
Still taking blades, didn’t give up a td pass all year allowed 18 receptions on over 40 passing attempts while giving up less than 240 yards
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I like Blades, but don't think he's a #1...For the record, I liked him more than Ivey in HS too. I think he can leave UM a late round pick

Those stats are so misleading though, again we played retardo passing teams.

Like for instance that La Tech game...Kids were catching balls on Blades all day...The announcers kept saying he has coverage...Well at some point when you have "coverage"...A conference USA kid should not be outfighting you for every reception.
 
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DMoney said:
Or the high-profile recruiting losses will really hurt.

247Sports recently released projected depth charts for Alabama, Florida and Georgia. All four of Bama’s projected starting DBs (Surtain, Jobe, Battle and Wright) were from South Florida. Three of Florida’s starters (Wilson, Elam and Davis) were from South Florida. Finally, two of Georgia’s starters (Tyrique and Campbell) were from South Florida, along with their top backup (Wilson).

There is plenty of talent in Miami’s defensive backfield. Eleven total four stars. But given what has left the region, we need Rumph and Banda to coach our guys to an elite level. 37th in yards per pass attempt is not good enough, especially considering our pass rush. Anything less than a Top 10 finish is a failure.
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Miami’s secondary before the 2019 season was #1 in the country in pass defense in 2018, we just lost 3 nfl draft picks the year before and replaced them with green guys in terms of experience everywhere outside of Trajan bandy. That was an expected drop off and they still finished with i believe the 18th rated pass defense in the country. They didn’t do that bad in largely their first year playing. They were better in pass defense than the 2017 group was when most of those guys first got their extended play time too for the most part. Yet that group improved significantly the year after. Personally I think They should improve quite a bit but we will see.

in regards to the list you named, none of those guys have been proven to be impact players like that and have been fairly average since being in college tbh despite their rankings as most have underwhelmed. out of all those names Elam might have been the best honestly and in limited time stevenson looked good . None are where Cj henderson was entering his junior season in terms of impact. He was a true miss, jury still out on the rest as they haven’t been necessarily standout guys like that tbh or shown to be true difference makers so far. Most including the highly ranked ones are teetering towards the overhyped category imo.
 
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skeeter said:
I like Blades, but don't think he's a #1...For the record, I liked him more than Ivey in HS too. I think he can leave UM a late round pick

Those stats are so misleading though, again we played retardo passing teams.

Like for instance that La Tech game...Kids were catching balls on Blades all day...The announcers kept saying he has coverage...Well at some point when you have "coverage"...A conference USA kid should not be outfighting you for every reception.
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Way to cherry pick. Did you see the QBs and passing offenses that UGA played last year? Bama and Florida for that matter too. Whose the passing offense, outside LSU last year, that lit up the SEC?
 
skeeter said:
He was bad against VA too

I'm so sick of this "automatic starter" **** at UM...I'm sure Zion Nelson will be given an automatic starter status too...Then when he gives up 10 sacks this year instead of 16, everyone will rave about his improvements ...and that's not even a knock on Nelson, it's a knock on the staff

I don't like Ivey, and hope he proves me wrong...I think the kid is ridiculously soft. There was no physicality on his HS tape, and anytime he did get a pick, he looked like an outside linebacker trying to return it. He has length and I can't think of one other good quality...This staff will treat him and Blades like they are friction' Hayes and Haynes for the 80s Raiders the next 2 years when they should be fighgint for their jobs every single day. I also don't understand how he comes out of the doghouse so easy...Here are some Ivey standout moments

1. Suspended 1st chance to start a CFB (not to mention it was vs. an in-state rival)
2. The fake punt debacle (just horrible)
3. All the kissy/huggy likes and re-tweets of Jaiden Francois de-commits and and emotional twitter roller coaster.

Nice intangibles there ^...That's who I want to go to war with.
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He was bad in a lot of games (UNC, CMU, Va Tech GTech, FIU & Duke).

I think a lot of people on board have simply overlooked his poor performances or they just forgot, but I rewatched every one of those games (I recorded them all on my DVR) & people really don't understand how often he was beat, there was just a lot of times the QB either didn't throw at him or made a bad throw, but I'm telling you, he was beat so much it was ridiculous.

The UNC game he was exposed by offenses, Phil Longo figured out all you have to do is make him run down the field & you'll beat him every time, they discovered that he gets ate up vs the Deep ball.

UVA put on a clinic vs him too, **** near every play they was throwing at him because he simply couldn't get his feet under him & was playing too wide out of his stance at the LOS, he gets beat off the first move by the WR on the line because his footwork is subpar & he doesn't stagger his feet, he lines up too square & he does what we call "Opening the gate" which is basically allowing the WR a free release, so as soon as the WR takes a step off the line he's already trailing.

Not trying to bash the kid or pile on, but I just think it's being undersold that CB is a issue due to lack of depth & the fact the CB2 has a long ways to go before he deserves blind fan confidence in his ability to hold down his side of the field.

It's why I've been screaming all offseason for a GT CB, but unfortunately it's gonna be one of those things that we just have to deal with all season. Because trust it, OC's are gonna attack TF out of Ivey's side of the field.
 
brock said:
Ivey needs to play with a sense of urgency and confidence and then he might be fine
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When you're guaranteed to start no matter how bad you play, there's no need for urgency.

That's the problem, he can play terribly & he knows he has nothing to worry about because he's a Coaches favorite, therefore the threat of losing playing time is nonexistent.
 
Fawk_U Haters said:
Way to cherry pick. Did you see the QBs and passing offenses that UGA played last year? Bama and Florida for that matter too. Whose the passing offense, outside LSU last year, that lit up the SEC?
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Who said anything about UGA, Bama, or FLA? I don't remember anyone mentioning them...But since you asked junior, let's take GA for example

Baylor, Florida (passing game better with Trask better than Franklin), Notre Dame, LSU, Tamu (and no I'm not saying any outside of LSU they are elite)... are all as good or better than UNC and possibly VA who are the only 2 in this conversation. The QB slate as a whole are night day...Look at our division man. Pitt decent QB/no weapons...GT full retardo at QB/No weapons...VA ok QB/decent WR...VT mediocre at best, had a nice WR, Duke could barely throw a forward pass with that QB this year/played em in a rain storm, they still made a big play downfield in 2h against us, and UNC was a pretty good passing game I'll give you that.

Don't go any further in this arguement, you are embarrassing yourself even bringing it up, especially when I didn't compare to those teams to begin with.
 
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Where does Christian Williams fit in to all of this? I know Couch is still a bit of an unknown but from my untrained eye Williams seems to have the more upside between those two.

Is there any potential he takes a big leap next year as a Sophomore?
 
skeeter said:
Who said anything about UGA, Bama, or FLA? I don't remember anyone mentioning them...But since you asked junior, let's take GA for example

Baylor, Florida (passing game better with Trask better than Franklin), Notre Dame, LSU, Tamu (and no I'm not saying any outside of LSU they are elite)... are all as good or better than UNC and possibly VA who are the only 2 in this conversation. The QB slate as a whole are night day...Look at our division man. Pitt decent QB/no weapons...GT full retardo at QB/No weapons...VA ok QB/decent WR...VT mediocre at best, had a nice WR, Duke could barely throw a forward pass/played em in a rain storm, they still made a big play downfield in 2h against us, and UNC was a pretty good passing game.

Don't go any further in this arguement, you are embarrassing yourself even bringing it up, especially when I didn't compare to those teams to begin with.
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Would say Miami faced some good talent last season tbqh at receiver .

tamorrion terry (one of thebetter receivers in the country)

van Jefferson

Trevon grimes

hasise Dubois and reed from uva

unc receiver duo (both had over 1000 yards)

va tech’s Damon hazelton
To name a few
 
DMoney said:
Or the high-profile recruiting losses will really hurt.

247Sports recently released projected depth charts for Alabama, Florida and Georgia. All four of Bama’s projected starting DBs (Surtain, Jobe, Battle and Wright) were from South Florida. Three of Florida’s starters (Wilson, Elam and Davis) were from South Florida. Finally, two of Georgia’s starters (Tyrique and Campbell) were from South Florida, along with their top backup (Wilson).

There is plenty of talent in Miami’s defensive backfield. Eleven total four stars. But given what has left the region, we need Rumph and Banda to coach our guys to an elite level. 37th in yards per pass attempt is not good enough, especially considering our pass rush. Anything less than a Top 10 finish is a failure.
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How were our defensive backs ranked in comparison to the defensive backs that you mentioned from those SEC schools?
 
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