We All Make Mistakes

[Evenkeel24]

**** thread

 

[User-4525]

**** thread

I don't get how a difference of opinion makes for a bad thread. No bashing, just simple back and forth based on early season play.

Would rather this than a 6 page dalvin cook thread trying to decipher one of his interviews.

 

[bomb]

Fans don't know ****. Even the superfans who think they are the exception.

Here we are with an excellent 2013 OL with arguably the #1 OL class in the nation coming in, and Coley is probably our #2 receiver right now, and might be #1 by the end of the year.

And in the end both the Miami and FSU staffs both cooled on Kirkland anyway lol. And Thomas was never even serious about us.

Our perceptions are often very far away from reality. Be careful about talking in absolute terms by saying things like "no brainer" and arguing with people who have a different opinion.

 

[LuCane]

Fans don't know ****. Even the superfans who think they are the exception.

Here we are with an excellent 2013 OL with arguably the #1 OL class in the nation coming in, and Coley is probably our #2 receiver right now, and might be #1 by the end of the year.

And in the end both the Miami and FSU staffs both cooled on Kirkland anyway lol. And Thomas was never even serious about us.

Our perceptions are often very far away from reality. Be careful about talking in absolute terms by saying things like "no brainer" and arguing with people who have a different opinion.

God I hate post like these. Why do you even bother coming to a message board then? Just to tell us how you're so reasonably above it all? That post sucked. And, that's a no brainer.

 

[sebastian91]

Thrilled to have Coley, but I'd still pick Kirkland under the circumstances in that thread. Seems like it's more difficult to load up an OL than get talented receivers. Still too early really to know if that would've been a mistake to take Kirkland over Coley, but I could see that being the end result for sure.

 

[TP801]

Fans don't know ****. Even the superfans who think they are the exception.

Here we are with an excellent 2013 OL with arguably the #1 OL class in the nation coming in, and Coley is probably our #2 receiver right now, and might be #1 by the end of the year.

And in the end both the Miami and FSU staffs both cooled on Kirkland anyway lol. And Thomas was never even serious about us.

Our perceptions are often very far away from reality. Be careful about talking in absolute terms by saying things like "no brainer" and arguing with people who have a different opinion.

Pretty much all truth. Even though no one wants to hear it for some reason.

 

[LuCane]

Fans don't know ****. Even the superfans who think they are the exception.

Here we are with an excellent 2013 OL with arguably the #1 OL class in the nation coming in, and Coley is probably our #2 receiver right now, and might be #1 by the end of the year.

And in the end both the Miami and FSU staffs both cooled on Kirkland anyway lol. And Thomas was never even serious about us.

Our perceptions are often very far away from reality. Be careful about talking in absolute terms by saying things like "no brainer" and arguing with people who have a different opinion.

Pretty much all truth. Even though no one wants to hear it for some reason.

It is a message board. There are zero experts on this message board - otherwise, people would be coaching for a living or running teams. There are a bunch of people who presumably love to discuss football. If you don't like what they say or see, tell them why. Try to keep it to the topic. If everyone weren't so busy telling each other how they're "idiots" or "homers" or so busy being "above it all," maybe football stuff could be discussed instead of talking about people who talk about football stuff.

If we can now get back to discussing the football aspect of this thread, great.

 

[zone3cane]

Thrilled to have Coley, but I'd still pick Kirkland under the circumstances in that thread. Seems like it's more difficult to load up an OL than get talented receivers. Still too early really to know if that would've been a mistake to take Kirkland over Coley, but I could see that being the end result for sure.

c'mon man, how can u believe that?

Miami got 4 elite OLineman already solidly committed in this one class. While we only have one receiver, Langham, and are hoping Berrios, Rudolph, Lane, Dixon, Brady commit to UM as well in some combo of the 5. But neither are locks at all even though Miami has one of the best passing offenses in the country.

Even last year we locked up on OLineman that we needed for depth while we were hoping that Stacy Coley would wind up a Cane. Derrick Griffin came out of the sky it was so unexpected.

 

[TheMatador]

Two thirds of the thread said they'd take Kirkland over Coley.

Because the ****** HOMERS/Golden slurpers THOUGHT Coley was never coming to UM at one point. AS soon as UM has a very good chance, they change their tune and start saying Coley is the the best, etc.....remember people calling coley a "south Florida entitled recruit", "cancer" BEFORE things started looking good for UM. Dumb **** makes no sense at all. Then when Kirkland got his offer pulled by golden and staff and coach Harris put them on blast, Kirkland became a scrub, cancer, average player, garbage, etc.... according to the homers/golden slupers. Once again **** makes NO SENSE.

Same thing happened with Cook. When Yearby was committed to fsu, he's considered an average player but NOWHERE ON SAME LEVEL as SONY or DALVIN according to most posters. Now when Yearby commits to UM, And Sony commits to UGA most of those posters change their tune AGAIN. And Sony is no longer better than Yearby according to them. What happened? Cook commits to UF, posters switch it up AGAIN and now Yearby is considered as good or better than Cook. See a pattern. Ridiculous.

I think Yearby is a better all around back, who might do more things well than Cook, and has even developed more speed than he had. Still, when Cook gets the ball deep in the backfield, on a power sweep, I just hold my breath. It's a beautiful thing to watch, when some seconds later, he's finishing his run in the end zone.

****, I want both of them badly. That team is blessed to have two RBs like that. I guess that's the second best HS team in the country.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

I remember someone compared Matt to Von Miller at one point. Forgot who it was. But that doesn't seem too far off. Dude was and will be a monster. Probably would have played a similar role to Von AS WELL

I did early on (before I saw him a bunch at the end of his senior year and in all-star games), but he's probably a little different than Von. Better in space. Some different attributes. He has a lot of skills that fit the new way football is being played. I hope Gall and Isadora lay him on his *** repeatedly over the next few years.

Better than Von Miller in space? Good god....you obviously don't watch much of Von Miller. If you think he's just a pass rush specialist, you better look a little closer.

 

[Consigliere]

Action Jackson-Freshman Starting at Corner-Bama
Shad Robinson-LSU
Denver Kirkland-Starting at Arkansas
Alex Collins-Srarting at Arkansas
Avery Young-Started Partially as a freshman at Auburn
Patrick Miller(Dwyer)-Started partially as a freshman at auburn

Off topic, but somehow someway golden and staff have to get more of these kids to pick UM.Doing a good job now, but just a few more kids. Doesn't even have to be all of them. But look at The trend recently, in regards to kids from the south Florida area. The high rated/hyped guys all seem to be balling out at some point in their freshman/sophomore year. Even the guys who "blow up" late like Eddie did are starting over these so called 4-5 stars from other places. Don't know what it is, but it's happening. The best running back, and wide receivers at fsu are all souh Florida kids. Absoloutely NO reason Devonta Freeman shouldn't be on UMs squad right now, that's on Shannon. Greenes from Georgia, but still no reason for him to be at fsu. Arkansas might have a 0 or 1 in the win column without Collins there. BAMA doesn't repeat without Amari last year.

Thank you for making a response in some form. Just a few questions on your response.

1. Do you think any of those guys are starting over someone on our team? If so, who?

2. Do you think coming in late had any effect on the recruitment of these guys?

3. Why do you think Al missed out on those 6 names on the top?

 

[Consigliere]

We're still waiting to know this poster that thinks Cook sucks, someone please call this poster out.

 

[killa1storm]

Fans don't know ****. Even the superfans who think they are the exception.

Here we are with an excellent 2013 OL with arguably the #1 OL class in the nation coming in, and Coley is probably our #2 receiver right now, and might be #1 by the end of the year.

And in the end both the Miami and FSU staffs both cooled on Kirkland anyway lol. And Thomas was never even serious about us.

Our perceptions are often very far away from reality. Be careful about talking in absolute terms by saying things like "no brainer" and arguing with people who have a different opinion.

Pretty much all truth. Even though no one wants to hear it for some reason.

It is a message board. There are zero experts on this message board - otherwise, people would be coaching for a living or running teams. There are a bunch of people who presumably love to discuss football. If you don't like what they say or see, tell them why. Try to keep it to the topic. If everyone weren't so busy telling each other how they're "idiots" or "homers" or so busy being "above it all," maybe football stuff could be discussed instead of talking about people who talk about football stuff.

If we can now get back to discussing the football aspect of this thread, great.

Basically. The point of a message board is to discuss things. Just because people picked Kirkland and appear to be wrong doesn't mean all their opinions are **** or didn't have merit, people like Bomb are working with hindsight. The only issue should be if you had an opinion previously and are now going full bore the other way just because. Like all those who wanted Kirkland and now act like he's dog**** because he plays for another program. Coaches get it wrong too, so I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean if a person stating their opinion on a message board gets it wrong, it's a **** message board. If you don't want to hear differences of opinion and just want to hear 'the coaches are 100% right and we don't know ****' then why post on a message board? If you're so above it all, go find something else to do with your time.

 

[LuCane]

I remember someone compared Matt to Von Miller at one point. Forgot who it was. But that doesn't seem too far off. Dude was and will be a monster. Probably would have played a similar role to Von AS WELL

I did early on (before I saw him a bunch at the end of his senior year and in all-star games), but he's probably a little different than Von. Better in space. Some different attributes. He has a lot of skills that fit the new way football is being played. I hope Gall and Isadora lay him on his *** repeatedly over the next few years.

Better than Von Miller in space? Good god....you obviously don't watch much of Von Miller. If you think he's just a pass rush specialist, you better look a little closer.

At the same points in their careers, Miller was put in space and did ok. He was then moved to Jack and started to become what he is today - I think that year he had close to 20 sacks or something. Matthew Thomas is a Nole and I hate him now, too, but he's one of the most fluid LBs I've seen at the HS level. Maybe the guy never reaches his potential, but I'd be a blind homer to change my opinion of what I saw just because he didn't end up here. He looked like a **** cat in the games I watched. He wasn't as good going forward as Von, though. They have more differences than I originally thought, which was my point.

I'll add more (and this stuff is from 2011) since you went with a "good god":

Von Miller's own perspective on his abilities:

"My God-given ability is speed off the edge, just rushing," Miller said. "Oh, I think I can drop back into coverage and do all that other stuff too, but in the end, what God has blessed me with is pass rushing off the edge."

Here's a draft profile: Pass Coverage --> ​

"Still a developing part of Miller’s game. He has fluid hips and changes directions well but he has a hard time with quicker/shifty backs in coverage. Athleticism and work ethic will help his coverage abilities develop and more than likely, teams will rarely put him in coverage and will use his ability to get to the quarterback instead….at least at first. Miller is relentless and never gives up on the play. Timing is solid and knows how to get his hand in and break up the pass or grab the ball at it’s highest point. Miller’s body control is very apparent while in coverage."

Here's John Fox talking about his relative strengths and weaknesses coming into the NFL: "I think he's becoming more of a complete player," coach John Fox said. "Some guys don't work on their weaknesses, they just kind of roll around on their strengths. And I think in his case, he's worked on some of the things he didn't do as much in college and that is mostly coverage and how he fits into the cover scheme."

Look forward to your response.

 

[sebastian91]

Thrilled to have Coley, but I'd still pick Kirkland under the circumstances in that thread. Seems like it's more difficult to load up an OL than get talented receivers. Still too early really to know if that would've been a mistake to take Kirkland over Coley, but I could see that being the end result for sure.

c'mon man, how can u believe that?

Miami got 4 elite OLineman already solidly committed in this one class. While we only have one receiver, Langham, and are hoping Berrios, Rudolph, Lane, Dixon, Brady commit to UM as well in some combo of the 5. But neither are locks at all even though Miami has one of the best passing offenses in the country.

Even last year we locked up on OLineman that we needed for depth while we were hoping that Stacy Coley would wind up a Cane. Derrick Griffin came out of the sky it was so unexpected.

I hear you, but I'm thinking on a longer term I think. We have a great OL class coming in, but I've seen a lot of mediocre O-lines come through here the last decade or so. It seems to take longer to develop a good, productive OL, and they seem to be more hit or miss. SoFla has a lot of D1 WR talent, and I think we'll always be able to attract at least some of that. It doesn't matter, though, how good your WR's are if the OL can't do its job and give the QB time to throw. Anyway, just my opinion, but I think great teams are built inside-out. Not taking anything away from Coley...he's been great, and I'm very glad he's here. Kirkland is dead to me.

 

[LuCane]

Thrilled to have Coley, but I'd still pick Kirkland under the circumstances in that thread. Seems like it's more difficult to load up an OL than get talented receivers. Still too early really to know if that would've been a mistake to take Kirkland over Coley, but I could see that being the end result for sure.

c'mon man, how can u believe that?

Miami got 4 elite OLineman already solidly committed in this one class. While we only have one receiver, Langham, and are hoping Berrios, Rudolph, Lane, Dixon, Brady commit to UM as well in some combo of the 5. But neither are locks at all even though Miami has one of the best passing offenses in the country.

Even last year we locked up on OLineman that we needed for depth while we were hoping that Stacy Coley would wind up a Cane. Derrick Griffin came out of the sky it was so unexpected.

I hear you, but I'm thinking on a longer term I think. We have a great OL class coming in, but I've seen a lot of mediocre O-lines come through here the last decade or so. It seems to take longer to develop a good, productive OL, and they seem to be more hit or miss. SoFla has a lot of D1 WR talent, and I think we'll always be able to attract at least some of that. It doesn't matter, though, how good your WR's are if the OL can't do its job and give the QB time to throw. Anyway, just my opinion, but I think great teams are built inside-out. Not taking anything away from Coley...he's been great, and I'm very glad he's here. Kirkland is dead to me.

Those two points are huge. The first of which is that teams are built inside-out. In my opinion, specifically with Defensive Linemen and guys who can rush the passer. The OL point is big, too. While there are those 5 star superstar types who are likely to become 1st round picks, OL has a **** ton of variance. Case in point:

2-star Eric Fisher was the #1 overall pick in last year's draft. Luke Joeckel (some had him rated just behind Seantrel) was behind him at #2. Lance Johnson, who was drafted #4, was a TE and a DE before being moved to OL.

 

[DMoney]

And in the end both the Miami and FSU staffs both cooled on Kirkland anyway lol.

And it looks like Kirkland is a much better player than those coaches thought. Bielema said he was the most gifted pass blocking freshman he'd ever seen. Does that mean that those coaches at UM and FSU "don't know ****?" What about the fans who were hyping up Kirkland?

The coaches know 1000X more than the fans. Everybody knows that. But the coaches are still wrong 50% of the time. ****, coaches frequently disagree with each other about players. That's the nature of the game, and that's why boards like this are fun.

A lot of times, the fans are right and the coaches are wrong. You should know this better than anybody, considering you made those same exact "trust the coaches, ***** your opinion" posts during the Coker era.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Look forward to your response.[/FONT][/COLOR]

Well....can't say I watched Von much in college and you didn't preface your statement with "at similar points in their career". Just because his scheme didn't call for him to "cover", doesn't mean he couldn't do it. I've watched every play of Von Miller's NFL career and I'm here to tell you he doesn't "struggle" in space. I'm using my own two eyes not some obscure quotes about his perceived deficiencies in college that he was never asked to do. He is a complete Linebacker and has been from day 1 in the NFL. Just watch him. Look forward to your response.

 

[I'm Hurt Dawg]

FSU did not pass on Kirkland. Kirkland didn't go to FSU because no one he knew was going there or so he thought.

 

[zone3cane]

Thrilled to have Coley, but I'd still pick Kirkland under the circumstances in that thread. Seems like it's more difficult to load up an OL than get talented receivers. Still too early really to know if that would've been a mistake to take Kirkland over Coley, but I could see that being the end result for sure.

c'mon man, how can u believe that?

Miami got 4 elite OLineman already solidly committed in this one class. While we only have one receiver, Langham, and are hoping Berrios, Rudolph, Lane, Dixon, Brady commit to UM as well in some combo of the 5. But neither are locks at all even though Miami has one of the best passing offenses in the country.

Even last year we locked up on OLineman that we needed for depth while we were hoping that Stacy Coley would wind up a Cane. Derrick Griffin came out of the sky it was so unexpected.

I hear you, but I'm thinking on a longer term I think. We have a great OL class coming in, but I've seen a lot of mediocre O-lines come through here the last decade or so. It seems to take longer to develop a good, productive OL, and they seem to be more hit or miss. SoFla has a lot of D1 WR talent, and I think we'll always be able to attract at least some of that. It doesn't matter, though, how good your WR's are if the OL can't do its job and give the QB time to throw. Anyway, just my opinion, but I think great teams are built inside-out. Not taking anything away from Coley...he's been great, and I'm very glad he's here. Kirkland is dead to me.

Those two points are huge. The first of which is that teams are built inside-out. In my opinion, specifically with Defensive Linemen and guys who can rush the passer. The OL point is big, too. While there are those 5 star superstar types who are likely to become 1st round picks, OL has a **** ton of variance. Case in point:

2-star Eric Fisher was the #1 overall pick in last year's draft. Luke Joeckel (some had him rated just behind Seantrel) was behind him at #2. Lance Johnson, who was drafted #4, was a TE and a DE before being moved to OL.

I understand where you all are coming from.... the trenches and getting that solidified first. BUT when a guy at a skill position comes along and is a playmaker w/ star potential then i have to throw that mindset out of the window.

I mean if I had only 1 offer to give out between Duke Johnson and Ereck Flowers.... as great as Ereck Flowers is, and i would be hurt not being able to get him, but i am picking Duke Johnson every single time.