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Any information on why they did not see action yesterday? Manny quoted Waters was very upset and not even in the mood to speak today.
 
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Waters is better than Berrios. And I imagine that's what bothers him, IF he's bothered.

I get that Kaaya may like Berrios, and that Berrios is Coach Coley's guy ... But he's not special enough to relegate Waters or Malcolm Lewis to fewer reps or targets.

Playing favorites is weak in little league and high school ... But in college, it's borderline criminal. Plenty of time for Berrios to get his action ... But Coley is costing Waters and Lewis serious professional opportunities. They should be getting all the reps, along with Dorsett and Coley. If one of those 4 is down, then Berrios. But I haven't seen anything from Berrios that says he should be the clear number 2 or 3 receiver.
 
Him and Duke are roommates off campus. My boy Shawn is close friends with Herb so I might go chill with them one of these days. Trying to see if he can snag us some ticks for the FSU game. From what I know though is Herb just had a daughter, but he doesn't feel like he's put up enough stats to go to the league so he will be staying at The U next year. When I do go I'll try to talk to Duke and Herb about the whole situation, and see what their take is on everything. Shawn says both are cool and layed back, Duke doesn't like talking much, and they usually spend the day playing Madden.
 
MIATL513 said:
Waters is better than Berrios. And I imagine that's what bothers him, IF he's bothered.

I get that Kaaya may like Berrios, and that Berrios is Coach Coley's guy ... But he's not special enough to relegate Waters or Malcolm Lewis to fewer reps or targets.

Playing favorites is weak in little league and high school ... But in college, it's borderline criminal. Plenty of time for Berrios to get his action ... But Coley is costing Waters and Lewis serious professional opportunities. They should be getting all the reps, along with Dorsett and Coley. If one of those 4 is down, then Berrios. But I haven't seen anything from Berrios that says he should be the clear number 2 or 3 receiver.
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Spot on with this!!! I just don't understand the decision to play berrios over them
 
Catergory5Hurricane said:
Him and Duke are roommates off campus. My boy Shawn is close friends with Herb so I might go chill with them one of these days. Trying to see if he can snag us some ticks for the FSU game. From what I know though is Herb just had a daughter, but he doesn't feel like he's put up enough stats to go to the league so he will be staying at The U next year. When I do go I'll try to talk to Duke and Herb about the whole situation, and see what their take is on everything. Shawn says both are cool and layed back, Duke doesn't like talking much, and they usually spend the day playing Madden.
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Go get em Stephen A.
 
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Cane Dynasty said:
Catergory5Hurricane said:
Him and Duke are roommates off campus. My boy Shawn is close friends with Herb so I might go chill with them one of these days. Trying to see if he can snag us some ticks for the FSU game. From what I know though is Herb just had a daughter, but he doesn't feel like he's put up enough stats to go to the league so he will be staying at The U next year. When I do go I'll try to talk to Duke and Herb about the whole situation, and see what their take is on everything. Shawn says both are cool and layed back, Duke doesn't like talking much, and they usually spend the day playing Madden.
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Go get em Stephen A.
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MIATL513 said:
Waters is better than Berrios. And I imagine that's what bothers him, IF he's bothered.

I get that Kaaya may like Berrios, and that Berrios is Coach Coley's guy ... But he's not special enough to relegate Waters or Malcolm Lewis to fewer reps or targets.

Playing favorites is weak in little league and high school ... But in college, it's borderline criminal. Plenty of time for Berrios to get his action ... But Coley is costing Waters and Lewis serious professional opportunities. They should be getting all the reps, along with Dorsett and Coley. If one of those 4 is down, then Berrios. But I haven't seen anything from Berrios that says he should be the clear number 2 or 3 receiver.
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Why, specifically, is Waters better than Berrios? Have you watched them in practice? How do you know the coaches are playing favorites, any proof?

Waters and Malcolm Lewis play a lot. You can't force Kaaya to throw them the ball if they are not open when he is making his progressions. Also, for the year, Berrios has 18 receptions, Lewis has 18 receptions and Water has 19 receptions.

Finally, why is it James Coley's, or any other coach for that matter, job to make sure certain players get "professional opportunities"?
 
Herb thinking of leaving early made me laugh.

Just keep Rosenhaus away. Herb's year is next year and it is going to be lights out. Him and Kaaya got a great connection. We are so loaded on offense it is hard to stand out.
 
bAMACANE said:
MIATL513 said:
Waters is better than Berrios. And I imagine that's what bothers him, IF he's bothered.

I get that Kaaya may like Berrios, and that Berrios is Coach Coley's guy ... But he's not special enough to relegate Waters or Malcolm Lewis to fewer reps or targets.

Playing favorites is weak in little league and high school ... But in college, it's borderline criminal. Plenty of time for Berrios to get his action ... But Coley is costing Waters and Lewis serious professional opportunities. They should be getting all the reps, along with Dorsett and Coley. If one of those 4 is down, then Berrios. But I haven't seen anything from Berrios that says he should be the clear number 2 or 3 receiver.
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Spot on with this!!! I just don't understand the decision to play berrios over them
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Berrios is a different WR then those guys. He is true slot guy.

Lewis has not looked good in his opportunities touching the ball.
 
Golden was asked about Waters and he said VT played them differently then they thought they were and they decided they would run more. I take that as saying Herb isn't a good blocking WR without actually saying it. It's obvious that is what he meant. Check the day after Q&A.

IMO its just that he isn't a good run blocker and nothing else to it.
 
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kendallcanes said:
Herb thinking of leaving early made me laugh.

Just keep Rosenhaus away. Herb's year is next year and it is going to be lights out. Him and Kaaya got a great connection. We are so loaded on offense it is hard to stand out.
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Best comment you've ever said
 
Fans want their favorites to play, because there is no downside for the fan if their favorite is not really the best guy. There is a downside for coaches is they play favorites.

What the "coaches are playing favorites" means is that someone is playing over someone you want them to play.
 
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MIATL513 said:
Waters is better than Berrios. And I imagine that's what bothers him, IF he's bothered.

I get that Kaaya may like Berrios, and that Berrios is Coach Coley's guy ... But he's not special enough to relegate Waters or Malcolm Lewis to fewer reps or targets.

Playing favorites is weak in little league and high school ... But in college, it's borderline criminal. Plenty of time for Berrios to get his action ... But Coley is costing Waters and Lewis serious professional opportunities. They should be getting all the reps, along with Dorsett and Coley. If one of those 4 is down, then Berrios. But I haven't seen anything from Berrios that says he should be the clear number 2 or 3 receiver.
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If we're going to throw 1000 bubble screens waters should be catching them.....Malcolm is the last person we should throw a screen to.
 
kmwcane said:
MIATL513 said:
Waters is better than Berrios. And I imagine that's what bothers him, IF he's bothered.

I get that Kaaya may like Berrios, and that Berrios is Coach Coley's guy ... But he's not special enough to relegate Waters or Malcolm Lewis to fewer reps or targets.

Playing favorites is weak in little league and high school ... But in college, it's borderline criminal. Plenty of time for Berrios to get his action ... But Coley is costing Waters and Lewis serious professional opportunities. They should be getting all the reps, along with Dorsett and Coley. If one of those 4 is down, then Berrios. But I haven't seen anything from Berrios that says he should be the clear number 2 or 3 receiver.
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Why, specifically, is Waters better than Berrios? Have you watched them in practice? How do you know the coaches are playing favorites, any proof?

Waters and Malcolm Lewis play a lot. You can't force Kaaya to throw them the ball if they are not open when he is making his progressions. Also, for the year, Berrios has 18 receptions, Lewis has 18 receptions and Water has 19 receptions.

Finally, why is it James Coley's, or any other coach for that matter, job to make sure certain players get "professional opportunities"?
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I haven't watched them in practice, so I guess you have me there. We should shut down all message boards though, if the only guys allowed to have opinions have to watch practice. LOL

Seriously ... I don't watch Duke in practice, either ... But I know he's better than Gus is. Also know he was better than Mike James when James was the starter. But maybe it's all just opinion ...

Berrios doesn't have more catches, but he has more targets. The targets are because of the play calls and QB decisions. Sometimes the slot is the primary or secondary, those are play call driven. I'd prefer Waters have more opportunities.

And finanlly ... The coach "sells" the kids on how he can make them better, and get them to the next level. Coley didn't "sell" Waters and Lewis, but he did sell Berrios. Seems pretty obvious, to me ... He's getting, at least, 1 WR "professional opportunities". LOL

Now ...

How about you tell me how you know they aren't playing favorites? If you are at practice, let me know what I'm missing that makes Berrios better than Waters and/or Lewis ...
 
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