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Visions aint that Bleak! Sky Cam Review of the 10 sacks & Player Observations

brock said:
Night and day difference from the front 7 we faced vs uf compared to FSU last year. **** even our oline it was a night and day difference from our oline vs the 2019 oline. They weren’t THAT bad , no where near 10 sacks. They only gave up a total of 26 last year with like 4 in the first game or so
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I think FSUs dline was just as dominant... they had 13 tackles for loss, 5 sacks, and triple the QB pressures. Marvin Wilson was blowing up the middle all night and Brian Burns was going crazy off the edge.

NKosi had way more pressure up the middle against him then Jarren did last night... and NKosi definitely didn’t have over 5 seconds to throw like Jarren did on multiple occasions last night... the oline gave up 10 sacks bc Jarren waited for the sack half the time.
 
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Jedi Master Cane said:
Your last sentence is the key, I think a couple of Zion's sacks were a result of HORRID play calls by Enos. I see more athleticism in Zion than I do in Campbell. On another of the sacks that came from Zion's side I'd argue Jarren held the ball too long and should have thrown it away.

Unless you're gonna kick BOTH Scaife and Donaldson outside, I think Zion should get one more shot.
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We have to try something.
I said It back in July but a line of these guys need to be tried at some point.

Lt scaife
Lg Reed
C gaynor
Rg donaldson
RT Herbert/ Campbell
 
brock said:
We have to try something.
I said It back in July but a line of these guys need to be tried at some point.

Lt scaife
Lg Reed
C gaynor
Rg donaldson
RT Herbert/ Campbell
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I'm fine with that except right tackle.....there's no f'ing way you're going to convince me that Campbell and the guy who couldn't beat out Campbell are better than Zion. Put Scaife on the blind side and slide Zion over to RT and see what happens.
 
Jedi Master Cane said:
I'm fine with that except right tackle.....there's no f'ing way you're going to convince me that Campbell and the guy who couldn't beat out Campbell are better than Zion. Put Scaife on the blind side and slide Zion over to RT and see what happens.
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Got to do what we have to do, at this point both Campbell and Nelson can’t be on the field at the same time. Move scaife to Left tackle and then have Nelson and Campbell compete for snaps at right tackle
 
CANE1775 said:
Come on man. In response to someone saying Grennard did in fact line up against him you said no he didn't and that you watched the whole **** game. So you actually only watched the sacks. If you only watched the sacks how would you know how he actually played? Thats ten snaps out of 70+.
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Yeah, I've now watched all offensive snaps and went back-and-forth every play to follow what all five OL did on each (I obviously need a life).

1. Greenard was a far bigger problem for us than Zuniga. Zuniga played very very well against us, but Greenald was the second coming of Von Miller/Khalil Mack last night. Just wow. And Greenald absolutely lined up and went against Nelson many many times (and destroyed him).

2. Before replaying each play this afternoon, going solely from live action last night I was of the impression that Campbell played worse than Nelson. I now think Nelson played worse, but both were terrible liabilities.

3. Donaldson played well. Guard is his position and he's an asset for us. Sciafe played fine, although as I noted in another thread I think his attributes of long arms (in spite of not being tall), great feet and good balanced base would serve us better at LT, which he played well for a freshman last year.

4. I also thought Gaynor played worse from watching on TV last night than I do after breaking down the replay. Gaynor played pass protection decently well...not many busts where he was beat physically. His busts were missed assignments and not switching off his man when UF ran several blitzes up the middle. The issue with Gaynor is that he can't move anyone on run plays.

We've got a Tackle problem (duh!). The other three guys we can work with. The problem is that there are five OL spots and we only have three players right now. I don't know what changes that this season.
 
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KrazyCane said:
@blackvern the wide receivers may not have been open but you don’t think Jarren had the opportunity to take more chances regardless if the receivers were covered?

Compared to NKosis game against FSU last year (4TDs, 0 INTs)... Jarren definitely had the cleaner game passing but he also played the safest. Nkosi took chances throwing the ball and it paid off... the Jeff Thomas catch up the middle between two defenders being one.

Do you think NKosi would’ve been better mentally prepared for this game in terms of not having as many delay of game penalties, being more decisive as a runner, and taking more chances challenging their DBs when there were opportunities to do so?
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i absolutely think he couldve took more chances and I absolutely believe the coaches didnt want him too, he played very conservative as a QB. He was not given many chances to throw in the redzone and the two times he did he put one in Jordans Chest for a TD and the other one he put in JT'4's chest and he dropped it. Nkosi is too inaccurate for me. Accuracy is something you cant teach you either have it or you dont. I think Nkosi may have completed 35% of his passes that game. ANd Floridas defense is way better then FSU's last year its not comparable. Him not taking chances is not what lost us this game. I do agree Nkosi is more decisive as a runner
 
QuatroCane said:
I’m most disappointed in JT4, suspect attitude, transfers, is brought back, plays like crap.
I expected a focused motivated guy. Let’s hope he rebounds.
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ok. jt dropped the punt. may have cost us the game in a sense.
still giving him props for th e 2 good plays he had, esp. the spin weave thru 2 gators.
he will rebound too.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Also, vern...lets have a real talk about what you're seeing. I want to focus on Zion Nelson for a moment.


#2...Even when we were putting Nelson into positions to do the things he looked great doing in HS...for example...the DeeJay Dallas TD run at the start of the fourth quarter...he peels into the second level to take on David Reese...he gets there, he engages...but he fails to keep him engaged and what turned into a touchdown run has to become a highlight reel play...Reese disengages and had a clear shot on Dallas, that he spins through (poor tackling by Reese...but he shouldn't have been there anyway).
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Go look again Robe that wasnt Nelson on that TD run that was Campbell who missed the block on Reese. Zion stone walled #88 Shuler on that play.at 3:00 I have it for you here



My thing is most of Zion's mistakes were mental not physical i agree he wasnt ready to play on the road. Crowd was loud he didnt know snap counts. I was impressed that when he did lock up he wasnt utterly dominated like Campbell was, we are all free to have different opinions. I have much more hope for Zion then Campbell. I'm for keeping Zion at LT a few more games to see how he pans out
 
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streetja said:
I feel like Vern's post focused more on our players are going to end up alright. The play calling though is an entirely different matter.
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thats exactly my point..if anybody thought a true freshman whop weighed 240 pounds a few months ago was going to come in and dominate two 5th year senior DE's I dont know what to say. I believe the play calls made him look worst then he really was and that he wasnt use to snap calls in a loud stadium greenard and Zuniga teed off on him a few times. He's gonna give up more sacks through out the year but hes talented he will be fine.
 
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Campbell definitely worries me a lot more than Zion

Overall we will be fine
 
supersaiyanshel said:
He has to make the throws in those windows and trust his receivers. You look at Tua and Trevor and they let it rip.

I think, as the OP said, Jarren was coached not to lose and not make the costly turnover so he resorted to his gun shy ways. He'll improve.

The offense was nothing special. If someone told you Richt called this game, I'd believe it
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Exactly thats how he won the job.. The entire board wanted the guy who didnt throw the interceptions in practice to be the starter... he doesnt throw interception in the game and now guys want the guy to take chances. The game plan for him was perfect. Mallory, brevin, and JT$ let him down. You want the guy like Franks who takes chances and throws two picks that shouldve costed them the game? not me
 
canes1996 said:
What do you think was the reason for going away from motion? Too simplistic to think it was due to our constant delay penalties and false starts? It seemed to hurt UF’s defense in the first couple drives and then we almost completely abandoned it.
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Every OC has a set of scripted plays for the first drive for some reason. The plays were beautiful I think we should have ran more TE and Wr screens also in the second half.. Maybe whatever adjustments the Turds did made him change up
 
Watching the skycam view makes me even more perturbed with this game. For instance, first drive second down where JW is sacked and we settle for a field goal, JT is WIDE OPEN in the endzone. If the OL just held for a split second longer it's 6 pts
 
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