Venables Head Coach?

Who cares. This is a Miami Hurricanes College Football board. The NFL is boring.

I care. This thread has been people wiping Saban's **** off their chin, I’d like to keep it a little bit balanced.

He’s not a great football coach, he’s a great college football coach.

Jimmy Johnson is a great overall coach, not Saban. Stop. End. Proved it in college and the pros.

Saban was a very good coach prior to Alabama, and he’s proven that given every possible advantage he can become a legendary coach.

Not everybody can do that. I’ll give him his due.

But to become the “legendary“ college coach he is now, he has had the biggest bags and the biggest booster support of all time. Just keep that in mind.
 
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Exactly. He's an extraordinary college football coach. He enjoys unfair advantages in bringing in top talent, but there also don't seem to be disciplinary issues with the players on the team. He knows how to identify talent, both in players and coaches, and how to extract the talent and focus it. He knows that if a coach is good at one thing, to have them only do that one thing. He's a tiny little guy but commands respect and wont hesitate to yell at anyone. He hates dealing with the media but seems amiable enough in practice videos. He holds people accountable and does not tolerate anything less than peak performance.

I really don't see how people can hate him. If you don't want him as your college teams coach, you must love losing. He knows how to win.
He’s enjoys an advantage that not even Clemson has. The NCAA turns a blind eye to his program. He even leases cars to his players. His boosters spend hundreds of millions on the program. Alabama has accrued a complete competitive advantage over not just Miami, but every other team in CFB. Saban has actually UNDERPERFORMED given how well he has recruited. He literally should have seven or eight undefeated seasons.

It’s like an NFL team that can spend 250% higher than any other team illicitly, but to no consequence because they are best friends with Roger Goodell. Oh, and give them 15 first round picks and 10 second round picks each year.

Its that lopsided.
 
Where was this genius at Michigan State? It's strange that he was a mediocre coach for almost 5 full years at Michigan State, then he goes to the biggest bag schools and wins national championships. In between bag schools he goes to the NFL where he isn't able to buy the best players and again turns into a mediocre coach. Someone could look at his two mediocre stints (college and NFL) where he didn't have a bag game and reach the logical conclusion that if went to a school that didn't provide him with unlimited resources, he isn't going to suddenly turn the team into instant title contenders, nor does he have some magical recruiting abilities. And this isn't a case where you can say, "oh he was just learning how to win early in his career" because we saw him being mediocre at Michigan State, then go the LSU and win a championship, then go to the NFL where he was a huge flop. I see a guy who knows how to win at schools that provide him with infinite resources. We have hard evidence of what his capabilities are when he doesn't have resources. That's great that he can win with infinite money (some other coaches can't manage that), but if you are a fan of a college team where unlimited resources aren't a realistic possibility, then I can see choosing some other coaches over Saban. If I had the choice of Saban or Urban Meyer at UM, I would take Urban Meyer seven days of the week and twice on Sunday. Meyer proved he could recruit and build extraordinarily talented teams at multiple college stops and and could also work his magic at schools with limited resources. Nor would I argue with someone who would pick Dabo over Saban because Dabo turned a Clemson team that was hemorrhaging money before his arrival into one of the better teams of the last decade. Yes, Dabo was cheating as well but he still had to evaluate and recruit players and fight off bigger bag schools when they were still trying to make a name for themselves. I think he also would be a better fit at UM than Saban.
I get nauseous saying anything positive about Urbie but he absolutely would be the better fit at Miami than Sabag. He might only last 5 years before his widdle heady starts to hurt but he'd still be the better fit.

Dabo vs Sabag here is an interesting debate. I too would initially think Dabo but then remember he's seemingly more prone to racially "insensitive" shooting off of the mouth and being anti- player "empowerment" whereas Sabag is absolutely a dictator but personally hasn't really run afoul on the race/culture stuff.
 
Where was this genius at Michigan State? It's strange that he was a mediocre coach for almost 5 full years at Michigan State, then he goes to the biggest bag schools and wins national championships. In between bag schools he goes to the NFL where he isn't able to buy the best players and again turns into a mediocre coach. Someone could look at his two mediocre stints (college and NFL) where he didn't have a bag game and reach the logical conclusion that if went to a school that didn't provide him with unlimited resources, he isn't going to suddenly turn the team into instant title contenders, nor does he have some magical recruiting abilities. And this isn't a case where you can say, "oh he was just learning how to win early in his career" because we saw him being mediocre at Michigan State, then go the LSU and win a championship, then go to the NFL where he was a huge flop. I see a guy who knows how to win at schools that provide him with infinite resources. We have hard evidence of what his capabilities are when he doesn't have resources. That's great that he can win with infinite money (some other coaches can't manage that), but if you are a fan of a college team where unlimited resources aren't a realistic possibility, then I can see choosing some other coaches over Saban. If I had the choice of Saban or Urban Meyer at UM, I would take Urban Meyer seven days of the week and twice on Sunday. Meyer proved he could recruit and build extraordinarily talented teams at multiple college stops and and could also work his magic at schools with limited resources. Nor would I argue with someone who would pick Dabo over Saban because Dabo turned a Clemson team that was hemorrhaging money before his arrival into one of the better teams of the last decade. Yes, Dabo was cheating as well but he still had to evaluate and recruit players and fight off bigger bag schools when they were still trying to make a name for themselves. I think he also would be a better fit at UM than Saban.
Jimmy Johnson won at miami and dallas, less so at ok st and dolphins.

Belichick didn’t win at cleveland and struggles without brady.

Pete Carroll struggled before USC and Seattle.

They‘re amongst the best coaches of the past 40 years.

The idea that great coaches can spin magic or do it all by themselves is just silly.

Saban has been an amazing coach in cfb.

Also, the nfl head coach job is very different from college, amd it doesn’t surprise me that it didn’t suit him. His strengths are aligned with the college role.
 
Nick Saban at LSU

8-4
10-3
8-5
13-1
9-3

Wonder what changed when he went to Alabama to become so dominant

Maybe a major increase in $$$ because outside his 4th year Saban was anything but impressive
 
We have gotten super sensitive ‘round this place. Calling someone “insane” is now thread-ban material.
Haha. This is accurate and unfortunate as I'm not sure which insanity it was in reference to but it hinders my reply of not being worried about a dude that wifed up "Miss Terry" stealing any women from me. "Miss Terry" sounds like the name of a ****** harness racing horse.

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I care. This thread has been people wiping Saban's **** off their chin, I’d like to keep it a little bit balanced.

He’s not a great football coach, he’s a great college football coach.

Jimmy Johnson is a great overall coach, not Saban. Stop. End. Proved it in college and the pros.

Saban was a very good coach prior to Alabama, and he’s proven that given every possible advantage he can become a legendary coach.

Not everybody can do that. I’ll give him his due.

But to become the “legendary“ college coach he is now, he has had the biggest bags and the biggest booster support of all time. Just keep that in mind.
Exactly! Been saying this all the time.

Saban is great at creating a college system, great at implementing it, and he’s great at managing/overseeing of his college system.

You combine that with his unlimited budget both on and off the books for recruits and coaches (dude has former major P5 college head coaches as analysts/interns) and he’s created an unstoppable (unless he dies or retires) conglomerate.

Look at the college head coaches who consistently do more with less.

If you put Saban at Stanford or even Vanderbilt would he have the success even close to Bama?

He would have them competing no doubt but there would definitely be a ceiling.
 
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