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This is wildly wrong. Saban is smart, focused, driven and an exceptional manager and planner.
He has been successful at LSU and Alabama. He may have had some help at those two stops, but he was able to develop plans on how to build those programs and was successful in doing it. I am not a fan of Saban, but he is very good at what he does, and that takes certain attributes as Ethnic pointed out.
 
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Nick Saban turns 70 in October. Yes, perhaps he'll coach to age 77. Perhaps longer. But also, perhaps he's set a period (70 years) or goal (say another NC) where he decides that there is more to life than running a professional football operation. Or even that there are new challenges to be explored in life.
Or maybe he absolutely loves what he is doing and wants to coach at a high level as long as possible.
 
He has been successful at LSU and Alabama. He may have had some help, at those two stops, but he was able to develop plans on how to build those programs and was successful in doing it. I am not a fan of Saban, but he is very good at what he does, and that takes certain attributes as Ethnic pointed out.
Exactly. He's an extraordinary college football coach. He enjoys unfair advantages in bringing in top talent, but there also don't seem to be disciplinary issues with the players on the team. He knows how to identify talent, both in players and coaches, and how to extract the talent and focus it. He knows that if a coach is good at one thing, to have them only do that one thing. He's a tiny little guy but commands respect and wont hesitate to yell at anyone. He hates dealing with the media but seems amiable enough in practice videos. He holds people accountable and does not tolerate anything less than peak performance.

I really don't see how people can hate him. If you don't want him as your college teams coach, you must love losing. He knows how to win.
 
You can't recruit in the NFL and that is a huge part of the reason he failed with the Dolphins (like every other coach they've had not named Don Shula (JJ was a disappointment with the Dolphins for me)). Does he really want to take the chance of tarnishing his legacy with another failed NFL bid? He can stay at Alabama, make a ton of money and go out on top.
 
You can't recruit in the NFL and that is a huge part of the reason he failed with the Dolphins (like every other coach they've had not named Don Shula (JJ was a disappointment with the Dolphins for me)). Does he really want to take the chance of tarnishing his legacy with another failed NFL bid? He can stay at Alabama, make a ton of money and go out on top.

Saw on a Cowherd today as they were discussing some of the frustrations that Urban is having, along w/ what Pete experienced when he came back to the NFL; Alpha Coaches at the NCAA level realize quickly they don’t have the same type of power & control in the NFL both from a Coaching/Disciplinarian standpoint, and also NFL guidelines when it comes to certain off-on season regimens.

He mentioned one of Saban’s biggest frustrations was w/ Miami’s medical staff. Saban zero’d in on Brees & The Miami Medical staff wouldn’t sign off on it & that ****ed Nick off b/c he’s use to be in control. Part of the reason he failed was lack of cohesion & not having control over personnel, so he went back to the college game.

Ppl hate Nick b/c he’s not their coach. Same reason ppl hate Urb. I promise u if he was here, we would be pouring champagne over ourselves. I’m at this point in my life where I don’t allow my fandom blind me to where I’m just irrational. Huge Bears fan & I used to say Rodgers suck, & made up all kinds of excuses as to y he had success….but now, I’m like I hate he’s a Packer, but I would kill for him to be my QB.
 
This is wildly wrong. Saban is smart, focused, driven and an exceptional manager and planner.
Sabag is spectacularly awesome at his current job and excels better than anyone in a specific climate. Nothing else you mention necessarily translates to anything else as it didn't even translate to a different level of football when he was in the NFL.

Dude isn't exactly a Renaissance Man on other fronts. His salty demeanor when current events, etc are broached just masks an overwhelming ignorance and apathy toward any thing other than football.

I wonder how much you'd bet on Sabag's ability to identify Iraq on a map or give even a middle school level definition of compound interest?
 
Sabag is spectacularly awesome at his current job and excels better than anyone in a specific climate. Nothing else you mention necessarily translates to anything else as it didn't even translate to a different level of football when he was in the NFL.

Dude isn't exactly a Renaissance Man on other fronts. His salty demeanor when current events, etc are broached just masks an overwhelming ignorance and apathy toward any thing other than football.

I wonder how much you'd bet on Sabag's ability to identify Iraq on a map or give even a middle school level definition of compound interest?
He doesnt get paid for any of that, who cares.. He is a college football coach and the best at it, hey saban can you define compound interest, GOOGLE!!!
 
He doesnt get paid for any of that, who cares.. He is a college football coach and the best at it, hey saban can you define compound interest, GOOGLE!!!
Hence why I said he's spectacularly awesome at his job and does it better than anyone else in a specific climate.

My only issue is people assuming that he'd have been or will be wildly successful at non college football based endeavors.
 
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Hence why I said he's spectacularly awesome at his job and does it better than anyone else in a specific climate.

My only issue is people assuming that he'd have been or will be wildly successful at non college football based endeavors.

It's actually worse than people simply assuming. Those people are also ignoring or excusing his 15-17 record as a non-college football HC (i.e., evidence he's not capable of being a wildly successful NFL HC).
 
Hence why I said he's spectacularly awesome at his job and does it better than anyone else in a specific climate.

My only issue is people assuming that he'd have been or will be wildly successful at non college football based endeavors.
People say the same thing about other super driven people in their specified field.. Those laser traits allow them to thrive, its a gift n curse. They focus soo much on those things that other things in life dont matter so from outside it might seem that way.. I think its cool when someone can find their calling, be elite at it and thrive and also in this world find a way to get paid kings ransom for it..
 
Saw on a Cowherd today as they were discussing some of the frustrations that Urban is having, along w/ what Pete experienced when he came back to the NFL; Alpha Coaches at the NCAA level realize quickly they don’t have the same type of power & control in the NFL both from a Coaching/Disciplinarian standpoint, and also NFL guidelines when it comes to certain off-on season regimens.

He mentioned one of Saban’s biggest frustrations was w/ Miami’s medical staff. Saban zero’d in on Brees & The Miami Medical staff wouldn’t sign off on it & that ****ed Nick off b/c he’s use to be in control. Part of the reason he failed was lack of cohesion & not having control over personnel, so he went back to the college game.

Ppl hate Nick b/c he’s not their coach. Same reason ppl hate Urb. I promise u if he was here, we would be pouring champagne over ourselves. I’m at this point in my life where I don’t allow my fandom blind me to where I’m just irrational. Huge Bears fan & I used to say Rodgers suck, & made up all kinds of excuses as to y he had success….but now, I’m like I hate he’s a Packer, but I would kill for him to be my QB.
100% on Saban/Urb. Yeah do they have a unfair advantage at some of the schools? Of course but 1. They didn’t always have that advtange until they got those big jobs and still won 2. We see year in and year out bag schools across the country and still suck. So clearly you still need to coach in order to win.
 
College kids have to listen to Saban because the head coach determines if they play or not. Once money gets involved, the dynamic changes. Now the GM and Owner are the “decision makers” and the coach needs to put the guys in a position to be prepared to win. Nicky tried to treat the Dolphins like college players and none of them were having it. Many of them outearned the coach and he had no real authority. And he doesn’t have the personality to get their respect otherwise. He is a great coach for those that are either willing or forced to listen and follow I.e. his success in college. He inevitably stays because it suits him best, and is the path of least resistance.
 
Sabag is spectacularly awesome at his current job and excels better than anyone in a specific climate. Nothing else you mention necessarily translates to anything else as it didn't even translate to a different level of football when he was in the NFL.

Dude isn't exactly a Renaissance Man on other fronts. His salty demeanor when current events, etc are broached just masks an overwhelming ignorance and apathy toward any thing other than football.

I wonder how much you'd bet on Sabag's ability to identify Iraq on a map or give even a middle school level definition of compound interest?
He may not want to comment on current events or anything other than football because it’s a no-win situation. I don’t know if he’s a member of Mensa or a dope outside of football, but discussing world events for a coach or an athlete is a recipe for disaster, so if he avoids it for those reasons, then he is smarter than I thought. And, btw, f$&k Saban and Alabama.
 
People say the same thing about other super driven people in their specified field.. Those laser traits allow them to thrive, its a gift n curse. They focus soo much on those things that other things in life dont matter so from outside it might seem that way.. I think its cool when someone can find their calling, be elite at it and thrive and also in this world find a way to get paid kings ransom for it..
I don't disagree at all about your last statement. We all should be so lucky to find a calling that perfectly matches our abilities and desires and passions and then utilize that combination to be wildly successful at it.

I just cast doubt on these traits always being universal and not just specific to that person in that particular field and setting. I think we might be starting Ben Carson's second term as President if those things were always easily transferable.
 
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Same reason ppl hate Urb. I promise u if he was here, we would be pouring champagne over ourselves.
I concede that point, but it really says more about the person pouring the champagne. Urban is an elite college coach and one of the biggest pieces of sh*t in the modern game.
 
He may not want to comment on current events or anything other than football because it’s a no-win situation. I don’t know if he’s a member of Mensa or a dope outside of football, but discussing world events for a coach or an athlete is a recipe for disaster, so if he avoids it for those reasons, then he is smarter than I thought. And, btw, f$&k Saban and Alabama.
I agree with the dangers in wading in a ton of current events as a sports figure or even a public figure but I also have some anecdotal evidence from his time in Miami that backs up the idea that the guy wouldn't be a successful chemist or engineer or economist or whatever if he had just decided to go down that route instead of football. Maybe a high school gym teacher....not that there's anything wrong with that.

But I too digress and agree....Eff Baga!
 
Exactly. He's an extraordinary college football coach. He enjoys unfair advantages in bringing in top talent, but there also don't seem to be disciplinary issues with the players on the team. He knows how to identify talent, both in players and coaches, and how to extract the talent and focus it. He knows that if a coach is good at one thing, to have them only do that one thing. He's a tiny little guy but commands respect and wont hesitate to yell at anyone. He hates dealing with the media but seems amiable enough in practice videos. He holds people accountable and does not tolerate anything less than peak performance.

I really don't see how people can hate him. If you don't want him as your college teams coach, you must love losing. He knows how to win.

Where was this genius at Michigan State? It's strange that he was a mediocre coach for almost 5 full years at Michigan State, then he goes to the biggest bag schools and wins national championships. In between bag schools he goes to the NFL where he isn't able to buy the best players and again turns into a mediocre coach. Someone could look at his two mediocre stints (college and NFL) where he didn't have a bag game and reach the logical conclusion that if went to a school that didn't provide him with unlimited resources, he isn't going to suddenly turn the team into instant title contenders, nor does he have some magical recruiting abilities. And this isn't a case where you can say, "oh he was just learning how to win early in his career" because we saw him being mediocre at Michigan State, then go the LSU and win a championship, then go to the NFL where he was a huge flop. I see a guy who knows how to win at schools that provide him with infinite resources. We have hard evidence of what his capabilities are when he doesn't have resources. That's great that he can win with infinite money (some other coaches can't manage that), but if you are a fan of a college team where unlimited resources aren't a realistic possibility, then I can see choosing some other coaches over Saban. If I had the choice of Saban or Urban Meyer at UM, I would take Urban Meyer seven days of the week and twice on Sunday. Meyer proved he could recruit and build extraordinarily talented teams at multiple college stops and and could also work his magic at schools with limited resources. Nor would I argue with someone who would pick Dabo over Saban because Dabo turned a Clemson team that was hemorrhaging money before his arrival into one of the better teams of the last decade. Yes, Dabo was cheating as well but he still had to evaluate and recruit players and fight off bigger bag schools when they were still trying to make a name for themselves. I think he also would be a better fit at UM than Saban.
 
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