VEGAS HAS SPOKEN

When not accepting one transfer, who basically gave us the middle finger when he was initially recruited, is the worst thing he's done with the QB position, I'd say that's not that bad. Golden went out of his way to get that kid after he was hired.

And yes, Kaaya was really good, even for a true freshman. I'm just saying, those situations are tough for anyone, much less someone that has never seen that environment before. Thing is, he'll do BETTER in those situations in the future than he did as a true freshman. See Ken Dorsey at VT his freshman year when he came off the bench.

And yes, I've been a fan of the program for almost 34 years. I just want what's best for the team, and I do believe starting Kaaya last year was what was best for the future of the program. Even if it meant taking some lumps.
 
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Duke Johnson was a huge part of the offense. Opposing coaches game planned on stopping him. We have no true replacement for him. Clive Walford was an NFL talent college veteran who helped Kayaa out a lot last year, offense passing game fell apart when he got hurt. Dorsett was a homerun hitter who put pressure on the safeties allowing Clive to work the middle. Our offensive line isn't nearly as experienced and talented as it was last year.
SO.....are we really going to count on a Onofrio led defense to help us generate some wins? Gus the Bus as our workhorse? Kayaa will not have a sophmore slump? Stacey Coley will learn how to be a productive wide receiver all of a sudden? Golden coached special teams...yet again?

There's just way too much that has to happen for this team to win the ACC. Even winning the coastal honestly is asking a lot this year.
 
It's a pathetically easy schedule...nobody wants Golden gone more than myself but I'm telling you right now...we're ****ed.

That fat **** is going to win a bunch of close games, Dave Wannstadt style (13-10, 14-13, 17-14 kinda games) and we'll finish with 8 or 9 wins. The ******* idiots that run our program will then look at those 8 or 9 wins in a vacuum and yell "IMPROVEMENT" at the top of their pathetic ******* lungs and use it as an excuse to keep our self imposed purgatory going.

I pray to God I'm wrong...but i have a horrible feeling this is what's going to happen.
Dude last year's schedule was easy as well.

This year we have Clemson. Plus a good GT team, Duke at Duke, Nebraska (at home), Virginia (Golden is 1-3 against), VT, and of course our annual guaranteed loss with FSU.

There's something deeper at play here...we're ******* cursed.

We desperately need a 4 or 5 win season to HOPEFULLY cement that piece of garbage's fate....I just have a horrible feeling we're going to get something that is going to disappoint those of us who actually have a clue about football, but will appease the apathetic morons that make up our administration.

Anyone with THAT schedule and THAT much talent could luck his way into 8 or 9 close ugly wins. Even if we get destroyed by Clemson, FSU, Duke and say...Nebraska...that would still put us in the dreaded 8-9 win area.

Talk me down from the ledge cause from where I stand this **** ain't looking promising.
 
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5dimes is not indicitive of what Vegas and other books will post in a month or so. 5dimes puts these prop bets out for fun. Usually max is only a few hundred dollars if that. Lines are extremely volitale. Over/under will be much higher when places are actually accepting bigger bets.
 
5dimes is not indicitive of what Vegas and other books will post in a month or so. 5dimes puts these prop bets out for fun. Usually max is only a few hundred dollars if that. Lines are extremely volitale. Over/under will be much higher when places are actually accepting bigger bets.


Our line will only change 1 game at the MOST.


I posted that our early line would be 5.5 games several days ago. Here ya go.


Nebraska has 2 starters returning on offense-a strong-armed, good running QB who is not very accurate and a nothing TE. They lost their super star RB and his backup, the entire OL and three second string OLs and their top 2 WRs.

On defense, they lose their best player, Gregory (DE), 2 starting LBs, both starting CBs and both starting Safeties.

The Nebraska program no longer reloads.

If we get abused by Nebraska, coach Golden needs to be relieved of his position as HC at the very latest by Monday.

We are favored over them to win the 2016 NC.

Miami 80/1
Corn 110/1

So they will probably be a 3.5-5 point dog on the road vs Miami.

That being said. They will be better corched than us.

The closest thing to early season lines on win totals had:

Nebraska at 8 wins--- Under -120
Miami 5.5 wins--- Over -125

The official early lines will be out in July.
 
Putting 3k on the over. The win win situation of the year. Win 6 games or more - Profit! Win five games or less - Al golden fired - Profit!
 
5dimes is not indicitive of what Vegas and other books will post in a month or so. 5dimes puts these prop bets out for fun. Usually max is only a few hundred dollars if that. Lines are extremely volitale. Over/under will be much higher when places are actually accepting bigger bets.

much higher. not a chance. 6.5 at the absolute most.
 
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Duke Johnson was a huge part of the offense. Opposing coaches game planned on stopping him. We have no true replacement for him. Clive Walford was an NFL talent college veteran who helped Kayaa out a lot last year, offense passing game fell apart when he got hurt. Dorsett was a homerun hitter who put pressure on the safeties allowing Clive to work the middle. Our offensive line isn't nearly as experienced and talented as it was last year.
SO.....are we really going to count on a Onofrio led defense to help us generate some wins? Gus the Bus as our workhorse? Kayaa will not have a sophmore slump? Stacey Coley will learn how to be a productive wide receiver all of a sudden? Golden coached special teams...yet again?

There's just way too much that has to happen for this team to win the ACC. Even winning the coastal honestly is asking a lot this year.

yep. it is far more likely given what we've seen from this staff and even the ones before, that we see a complete disaster on offense to go along with a ****** defense = 5-7
 
It's a pathetically easy schedule...nobody wants Golden gone more than myself but I'm telling you right now...we're ****ed.

That fat **** is going to win a bunch of close games, Dave Wannstadt style (13-10, 14-13, 17-14 kinda games) and we'll finish with 8 or 9 wins. The ******* idiots that run our program will then look at those 8 or 9 wins in a vacuum and yell "IMPROVEMENT" at the top of their pathetic ******* lungs and use it as an excuse to keep our self imposed purgatory going.

I pray to God I'm wrong...but i have a horrible feeling this is what's going to happen.
Dude last year's schedule was easy as well.

This year we have Clemson. Plus a good GT team, Duke at Duke, Nebraska (at home), Virginia (Golden is 1-3 against), VT, and of course our annual guaranteed loss with FSU.

There's something deeper at play here...we're ******* cursed.

We desperately need a 4 or 5 win season to HOPEFULLY cement that piece of garbage's fate....I just have a horrible feeling we're going to get something that is going to disappoint those of us who actually have a clue about football, but will appease the apathetic morons that make up our administration.

Anyone with THAT schedule and THAT much talent could luck his way into 8 or 9 close ugly wins. Even if we get destroyed by Clemson, FSU, Duke and say...Nebraska...that would still put us in the dreaded 8-9 win area.

Talk me down from the ledge cause from where I stand this **** ain't looking promising.

Alfraud will find a way to lose a bunch of games. see last year vs. UVA and Pitt

this team has already quit on him before the season even starts
 
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Miami: 5.5 (over -160, under +120)

The over bet is juiced.

It's even higher now: -170 over and +130 under

That essentially means 6 flat, or even 6 with slight juice to the over. 5Dimes -- like many major joints -- doesn't like pushes on future book wagers so they stick it on a half number whenever possible.

I'll stay with what I posted here a couple of weeks ago, that Chris Andrews' online article that generated quite a bit of publicity was too low at 5.5 over -120. I wrote that the applicable math, via a quick glance, looked more like 6 over or 6.5 under. I think that's where this will settle, once more spots get involved.

Notice that 5Dimes is using a 40 cent cut. That's the chicken method, meaning they aren't fully confident in the early numbers but want to put them out there, for early action and some publicity, like the mention in this thread. Other spots will wait until solidification later in the summer and then use a 20 cent cut.

It's a very basic process. Pointspreads and associated money lines are projected for every game on the schedule. Then a formula is applied to arrive at a base over/under. It doesn't have to be perfect. Las Vegas thrives based on three aspects -- power ratings, 11/10, and ***** ups from bettors based on subjectivity and too much decision making. That's it. Any other version is bunk. Sportsbooks sit back and absorb, allowing the bettors to find ways to lose. I have to laugh every time somebody proposes that the town and methodology is ultra sophisticated. That's the simpleton view from afar, wanting to buy into the mystique. If you've ever been directly involved it's remarkable how simple everything is. If Las Vegas has reliable power ratings, they own the edge. Those power ratings do a great job of summarizing a team's default ability. Unlike bettors, the power ratings aren't subject to wild swings based on emotion or short term results. Just like planting seeds and adding water, Las Vegas takes the power ratings and sows them via home field advantage, if any. The town only gets in trouble in unusual situations in which the books lack substantive power ratings, like when a new league starts. The USFL was easing pickings. Incredibly easy. That's what drew me to town in the first place. Unfortunately, in the three subsequent decades the power ratings have become more readily available, in the major sports and virtually every sport. The sportsbooks don't have any shame in stealing the power ratings from online sources and blending them.

Las Vegas indeed has an opinion on every game. It's comical ignorance to believe otherwise. Their opinion is that our power ratings and 11/10 in our corner will grind a profit, since that the small edge is applied tens of thousands of times every year. They don't care about scattered outcomes that deviate from the steady grind, other than some sportsbook managers who whine often behind closed doors and occasionally for public consumption. The casino bigshots often don't appreciate that the sportsbook takes up space but doesn't match other areas in terms of percentage of profit, hence the downward pressure on sportsbook managers.
 
Seems like easy money to me. Fat boy gonna be laughing at you fools who didnt invest.
 
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