Valentine Thread: Set to visit this weekend....maybe.

[BigCaneAl]

He's gone

 

[Boarcane]

I dont know if I totally agree with Dwins that CFB has totally passed UM by. But I think we are close, unfortunately. Anyone looking at the situation objectively should understand how difficult its become. UM is the ONLY small private university still trying to compete at this level. The ONLY reason UM is still in the game, is because of its history and where its located. But as CFB becomes an ever larger big money enterprise, a small private university, is going to have a VERY hard time trying to keep up. Just look at the money being paid to assistants and coordinators these days. Its a never ending arms race, and UM is just trying to keep afloat. As it gets harder and harder to recruit in So Fla, its going to require exceptional recruiting talent and abilities by the coaching staff, whoever it is, to keep the program competitive.

Don't be fooled. UM will NET 50 plus million from football this season. We have terrible management that doesn't reinvest in the program. Louisville spent 25 million while taking in 35. We CHOOSE not to spend on coaches and facilities.

 

[The Franchise]

Option 1 - Admit Onfrio and Golden's scheme sucks and maybe, just maybe, the kid was swayed because he doesn't want to be dropping into coverage or told not to rush upfield in order to occupy multiple blockers. Maybe, just maybe...he made a decision based on the results ON THE FIELD.

Option 2 - Blame it on street agents, money, and in general...circumstances out of Golden's control thus the fat *** car salesman can't be blamed and Don Bailey Jr equilibrium is reached.

Sorry to interrupt Don Bailey Jr excuse hour....as you were.

Why are you acting as if those are mutually exclusive?

The defensive scheme could very well suck and Valentine could very well be steered by this Genron character.

How long has Valentine been associated with Genron? Seems to me like the HC is his spokesman and the guy closest to Valentine. Is Genron so persuasive that he completely takes over Valentine's life in one year, and his mom no longer matters?

 

[japancane]

I dont know if I totally agree with Dwins that CFB has totally passed UM by. But I think we are close, unfortunately. Anyone looking at the situation objectively should understand how difficult its become. UM is the ONLY small private university still trying to compete at this level. The ONLY reason UM is still in the game, is because of its history and where its located. But as CFB becomes an ever larger big money enterprise, a small private university, is going to have a VERY hard time trying to keep up. Just look at the money being paid to assistants and coordinators these days. Its a never ending arms race, and UM is just trying to keep afloat. As it gets harder and harder to recruit in So Fla, its going to require exceptional recruiting talent and abilities by the coaching staff, whoever it is, to keep the program competitive.

Don't be fooled. UM will NET 50 plus million from football this season. We have terrible management that doesn't reinvest in the program. Louisville spent 25 million while taking in 35. We CHOOSE not to spend on coaches and facilities.

you got a link for that?

 

[WhatTheHell]

Option 1 - Admit Onfrio and Golden's scheme sucks and maybe, just maybe, the kid was swayed because he doesn't want to be dropping into coverage or told not to rush upfield in order to occupy multiple blockers. Maybe, just maybe...he made a decision based on the results ON THE FIELD.

Option 2 - Blame it on street agents, money, and in general...circumstances out of Golden's control thus the fat *** car salesman can't be blamed and Don Bailey Jr equilibrium is reached.

Sorry to interrupt Don Bailey Jr excuse hour....as you were.

Im sure TV had concerns about the scheme and coaching. All kids do. But this kid was committed here all year. Talked OVEr and OVEr about how he wanted to stay home, this was his hometown, blah blah.... and then he had a notorious street agent hustler running his recruitment. One who hates UM and openly trashes the staff on twitter, even as his player is meeting with the staff. But yeah, this is Kosher. Yeah, keep dreaming pal. Heaven forbid you take a 5 minute break from the Golden hate sh*tfest and see what is staring your right in the face.

You've got Golden's ***** banging so hard into the back of your skull that you've permanently knocked around and killed some brain cells.

Should any of us be surprised that Golden's biggest apologist flies to the rescue? The world's worst super hero, Paragraph Man. Out to defend Al Golden one novel at a time. Typing biblical length posts in every thread attempting to absolve the staff of any guilt.

Instead of being a lunatic and fabricating more conspiracies - since this fake realty you've created helps you feel better than admitting Golden has gotten his *** kicked down the stretch - try not being batshlt crazy for a second and admit our on the field performance cost us this kid. Retaining Donofrio was the nail in the coffin. He did not want to play in this awful defensive system. Since the FSU game he's voiced concerns about our defense every week and it was only reaffirmed to him as the season wrapped up, culminating with Donofrio being retained and Golden flirting with Penn St.

But why take the young man at his word? It's not like our defense finished the year like this:

FSU 41 points, 517 yards
VaTech 42 points, 549 yards
Duke 48 points, 543 yards
UVA 26 points, 483 yards
Pitt 31 points, 501 yards
Lou. 36 points, 554 yards


37 points and 524 yards per game over the second half of the season.


But no, this isn't it. None of this happened and Valentine hadn't been saying every week how it was making him rethink things. That's not your reality, because Golden and the staff are not at fault in any way.

No, what happened is Genron showed up in a Brinks truck and stuffed 100 dollar bills into Grandma Valentine's moo-moo til she couldn't stand the weight anymore and finally exploded. Then he fired gold bars through the windows of the Valentine househould from a t-shirt cannon, until finally sitting down with the family and LSU coaches for dinner where they all ate bowls of blood diamonds while using velocirapors as chairs.

 

[The Franchise]

Option 1 - Admit Onfrio and Golden's scheme sucks and maybe, just maybe, the kid was swayed because he doesn't want to be dropping into coverage or told not to rush upfield in order to occupy multiple blockers. Maybe, just maybe...he made a decision based on the results ON THE FIELD.

Option 2 - Blame it on street agents, money, and in general...circumstances out of Golden's control thus the fat *** car salesman can't be blamed and Don Bailey Jr equilibrium is reached.

Sorry to interrupt Don Bailey Jr excuse hour....as you were.

Complete and pervavsive contextual ignorance. You have no clue what you are talking about as it relates to this specific recruit. It's a buyout. All that's missing is the invoice stamped in purple and whatever color of urine they pair with it.

Any other D line recruit might be a different story. I don't have any knowledge on them.

WTF are you talking about?

I'm fully aware cash comes into play with recruits...but that's always been the case. My point is very simple...these Don Bailey Jr fools will EXCLUSIVELY blame missing out on top recruits on cash, street agents, and whatever the **** else they can make up. All in the name of not admitting Golden simply isn't getting the job done.

Does not apply in this situation. So you're just as myopic for calling posters who are placing the blame, RIGHTLY, on the cash game "Don Bailey fools". You simply can't un-mesh your agenda to fit with reality. I think Golden has face-planted on several occasion. With a number of players. I'm also not trying to turn every one of them into a courtroom case against his tenure. He isn't to blame here, and I'm not just carrying water for him.

Some of you have no interest in a middle ground. You can't analyze anything, because Golden is either automatically exonerated or always iniquitous. What the **** is that?

If you know there's a payoff, and you're a Canes fan, then why don't you blow it up? Why sit on that knowledge and let these guys hurt our program?

 

[NoahZach]

Option 1 - Admit Onfrio and Golden's scheme sucks and maybe, just maybe, the kid was swayed because he doesn't want to be dropping into coverage or told not to rush upfield in order to occupy multiple blockers. Maybe, just maybe...he made a decision based on the results ON THE FIELD.

Option 2 - Blame it on street agents, money, and in general...circumstances out of Golden's control thus the fat *** car salesman can't be blamed and Don Bailey Jr equilibrium is reached.

Sorry to interrupt Don Bailey Jr excuse hour....as you were.

Complete and pervavsive contextual ignorance. You have no clue what you are talking about as it relates to this specific recruit. It's a buyout. All that's missing is the invoice stamped in purple and whatever color of urine they pair with it.

Any other D line recruit might be a different story. I don't have any knowledge on them.

WTF are you talking about?

I'm fully aware cash comes into play with recruits...but that's always been the case. My point is very simple...these Don Bailey Jr fools will EXCLUSIVELY blame missing out on top recruits on cash, street agents, and whatever the **** else they can make up. All in the name of not admitting Golden simply isn't getting the job done.

Well, even those are not mutually exclusive. It might be that some kid walks away from UM exclusively because of money, street agents, etc., and the staff still isn't getting the job done.

In that context, pointing to scheme and other issues to explain that kid's departure, in effect, would be excusing the shady stuff, as the kid would have come notwithstanding the scheme issues.

Bottom line--we don't know if it is one, the other or a combination. We're all guessing and no one's guess is better than any other at this stage.

And, I'm not defending the staff here.

 

[chicanego]

At the end of the day, there is absolutely no proof this kid was paid.

He has legitimately been interested in LSU for quite some time. This wasn't a spur of the moment, "surprise" visit he took. They have recruited him aggressively for quite some time and he's been receptive to it.

As mentioned, he voiced concern over the defense following the FSU loss. We didn't do ourselves any favors by collapsing on defense throughout the rest of the year following that loss.

To make the assessment his impending loss is nothing more than a "pay for play" by LSU is a pathetic excuse.

 

[01Canes]

And Ill say one more thing. I dont think AG is stupid or Lazy. If they have been staying away from certain programs, to me, thats a huge red flag. I have absolutely NO hard evidence or proof of anything going on at American Heritage, but the word that the staff hasnt been around there much lately, to me is VERY interesting. And in contrast to many here, I dont think its because they are lazy or stupid. Just something I find very curious.

Except they recently offered Tarvarus McFadden, made such an impression on Torrance Gibson that he said the Miami Hurricanes felt like home during junior day, and offered 2016 WR Dredrick Snelson over the weekend.

 

[azcanesfan]

There is a lot of sad agenda on this board.

The one that picks the street agent over the school is a little more perplexing than the opposite, IMO.

haha, no kidding. The agenda is strong with these dudes.

 

[japancane]

There is a lot of sad agenda on this board.

The one that picks the street agent over the school is a little more perplexing than the opposite, IMO.

haha, no kidding. The agenda is strong with these dudes.

LOL at taking the side of a street agent.

You know what's sad? Fans that take the side of a coach over a team

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Option 1 - Admit Onfrio and Golden's scheme sucks and maybe, just maybe, the kid was swayed because he doesn't want to be dropping into coverage or told not to rush upfield in order to occupy multiple blockers. Maybe, just maybe...he made a decision based on the results ON THE FIELD.

Option 2 - Blame it on street agents, money, and in general...circumstances out of Golden's control thus the fat *** car salesman can't be blamed and Don Bailey Jr equilibrium is reached.

Sorry to interrupt Don Bailey Jr excuse hour....as you were.

Complete and pervavsive contextual ignorance. You have no clue what you are talking about as it relates to this specific recruit. It's a buyout. All that's missing is the invoice stamped in purple and whatever color of urine they pair with it.

Any other D line recruit might be a different story. I don't have any knowledge on them.

WTF are you talking about?

I'm fully aware cash comes into play with recruits...but that's always been the case. My point is very simple...these Don Bailey Jr fools will EXCLUSIVELY blame missing out on top recruits on cash, street agents, and whatever the **** else they can make up. All in the name of not admitting Golden simply isn't getting the job done.

Well, even those are not mutually exclusive. It might be that some kid walks away from UM exclusively because of money, street agents, etc., and the staff still isn't getting the job done.

In that context, pointing to scheme and other issues to explain that kid's departure, in effect, would be excusing the shady stuff, as the kid would have come notwithstanding the scheme issues.

Bottom line--we don't know if it is one, the other or a combination. We're all guessing and no one's guess is better than any other at this stage.

And, I'm not defending the staff here.

Some people cant put aside their obsession with trashing the staff long enough to see the forest for the trees. I have no doubt that TV and probably many other kids were concerned about our struggles, but most other programs had struggles this year too. UGA went 8-5 this year, and amazingly managed to come to So Fla, and get "life long Canes fan", who we had recruited since the 8th grade, to commit to UGA, and refuse to talk to our coaches, or even take an OV. But people think its because of Richt's Jedi mind power, and that our staff apparently shows up to talk to kids wearing big red noses and floppy shoes. The act like the fact a kid has a notorious street agent as his "representative" pushing him to a notoriously dirty $EC program, and thats not going to have any impact.

 

[japancane]

Option 1 - Admit Onfrio and Golden's scheme sucks and maybe, just maybe, the kid was swayed because he doesn't want to be dropping into coverage or told not to rush upfield in order to occupy multiple blockers. Maybe, just maybe...he made a decision based on the results ON THE FIELD.

Option 2 - Blame it on street agents, money, and in general...circumstances out of Golden's control thus the fat *** car salesman can't be blamed and Don Bailey Jr equilibrium is reached.

Sorry to interrupt Don Bailey Jr excuse hour....as you were.

Complete and pervavsive contextual ignorance. You have no clue what you are talking about as it relates to this specific recruit. It's a buyout. All that's missing is the invoice stamped in purple and whatever color of urine they pair with it.

Any other D line recruit might be a different story. I don't have any knowledge on them.

WTF are you talking about?

I'm fully aware cash comes into play with recruits...but that's always been the case. My point is very simple...these Don Bailey Jr fools will EXCLUSIVELY blame missing out on top recruits on cash, street agents, and whatever the **** else they can make up. All in the name of not admitting Golden simply isn't getting the job done.

Well, even those are not mutually exclusive. It might be that some kid walks away from UM exclusively because of money, street agents, etc., and the staff still isn't getting the job done.

In that context, pointing to scheme and other issues to explain that kid's departure, in effect, would be excusing the shady stuff, as the kid would have come notwithstanding the scheme issues.

Bottom line--we don't know if it is one, the other or a combination. We're all guessing and no one's guess is better than any other at this stage.

And, I'm not defending the staff here.

Some people cant put aside their obsession with trashing the staff long enough to see the forest for the trees. I have no doubt that TV and probably many other kids were concerned about our struggles, but most other programs had struggles this year too. UGA went 8-5 this year, and amazingly managed to come to So Fla, and get "life long Canes fan", who we had recruited since the 8th grade, to commit to UGA, and refuse to talk to our coaches, or even take an OV. But people think its because of Richt's Jedi mind power, and that our staff apparently shows up to talk to kids wearing big red noses and floppy shoes. The act like the fact a kid has a notorious street agent as his "representative" pushing him to a notoriously dirty $EC program, and thats not going to have any impact.

you state this repeatedly, but its wrong. He was at Miami for the Wake game

 

[Canes239]

What happened to the poster here who lives a few blocks away and was gonna flip him back for us?

 

[azcanesfan]

There is a lot of sad agenda on this board.

The one that picks the street agent over the school is a little more perplexing than the opposite, IMO.

haha, no kidding. The agenda is strong with these dudes.

LOL at taking the side of a street agent.

You know what's sad? Fans that take the side of a coach over a team

There is no Coach, Player, Recruit, Fan, or Message Board All Star bigger than the squad. Some of you guys need practice at seeing the forest through the trees. Scheme was not the downfall here.

 

[japancane]

There is a lot of sad agenda on this board.

The one that picks the street agent over the school is a little more perplexing than the opposite, IMO.

haha, no kidding. The agenda is strong with these dudes.

LOL at taking the side of a street agent.

You know what's sad? Fans that take the side of a coach over a team

There is no Coach, Player, Recruit, Fan, or Message Board All Star bigger than the squad. Some of you guys need practice at seeing the forest through the trees. Scheme was not the downfall here.

I'm speechless. You also misused the idiom and said it wrong as well. Amazing

 

[kmwcane]

At the end of the day, there is absolutely no proof this kid was paid.

He has legitimately been interested in LSU for quite some time. This wasn't a spur of the moment, "surprise" visit he took. They have recruited him aggressively for quite some time and he's been receptive to it.

As mentioned, he voiced concern over the defense following the FSU loss. We didn't do ourselves any favors by collapsing on defense throughout the rest of the year following that loss.

To make the assessment his impending loss is nothing more than a "pay for play" by LSU is a pathetic excuse.

When is there ever proof that a kid was paid? Does that mean that it never happens unless you read about proof?

 

[azcanesfan]

There is a lot of sad agenda on this board.

The one that picks the street agent over the school is a little more perplexing than the opposite, IMO.

haha, no kidding. The agenda is strong with these dudes.

LOL at taking the side of a street agent.

You know what's sad? Fans that take the side of a coach over a team

There is no Coach, Player, Recruit, Fan, or Message Board All Star bigger than the squad. Some of you guys need practice at seeing the forest through the trees. Scheme was not the downfall here.

I'm speechless. You also misused the idiom and said it wrong as well. Amazing

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/see_the_forest_through_the_trees

Cool story bro.

 

[chicanego]

At the end of the day, there is absolutely no proof this kid was paid.

He has legitimately been interested in LSU for quite some time. This wasn't a spur of the moment, "surprise" visit he took. They have recruited him aggressively for quite some time and he's been receptive to it.

As mentioned, he voiced concern over the defense following the FSU loss. We didn't do ourselves any favors by collapsing on defense throughout the rest of the year following that loss.

To make the assessment his impending loss is nothing more than a "pay for play" by LSU is a pathetic excuse.

When is there ever proof that a kid was paid? Does that mean that it never happens unless you read about proof?

This is absolutely hilarious considering you consider yourself a fan of UM football.

Remember that scathing article Charles Robinson wrote? LULZ.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

There is a lot of sad agenda on this board.

The one that picks the street agent over the school is a little more perplexing than the opposite, IMO.

haha, no kidding. The agenda is strong with these dudes.

LOL at taking the side of a street agent.

You know what's sad? Fans that take the side of a coach over a team

And this is by FAR the stupidest thing thrown around by the mope squad. Why the F*CK would anyone here care about Golden over the team? Who the F*CK is Al Golden? Or Donofrio? Nobody gave a rats @ss about these guys 3 years ago, and if they get fired, no one here will give a rats @ss about them either. As far as I know, no one here is buddies or related to AG, so why would anyone here care to support Golden to the detriment of the team?

PERHAPS, the issue is that some fans, take a broader view, and feel that there has not been enough time to gauge wether or not this staff will be capable of turning this program around. They see that there ARE some positive points, and would rather take a wait and see approach, in the hopes that this staff WILL succeed. And yes, were rooting for AG to succeed, because if he succeeds, it means that the program we all love is succeeding. What really bewilders me though, are the ones who seem to delight in every negative thing that happens, up to an including wishing our team to lose for the next year or two, so they can say they were right, about a certain coach. See, I dont see that as being a "fan" of a team, that's being a "fan" of your own ego.

So Im going to hope AG does well, and closes this class out well, and wins next year, because I want this program to succeed. And since he's the HC here, and is going to be the HC here next year, and very likely the following year at a minimum, Im going to hope for the best. And as for recruiting, well seeing as we know recruits and their families read these boards, Im going to try to focus on the positive, to try to sell this program, rather than sit here trashing the staff every day, and saying that recruits are stupid to come play here. I dont quite see how as a "fan" of UM, that helps our program and recruiting, but maybe you see it differently. I dont quite comprehend "fans" who think they are helping a program by discouraging recruits from coming here, and spewing non stop negativity. I dont see how that HELPS make the program better, particularly because it will be wins and losses that determine Golden's future here, not how many times certain mentally unbalanced people call him a "fat greasy used car salesman loser".