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DTP said:
Alabama hasn’t been a “ball control” team for close to a decade. Georgia ran 70 plays per game last year.

Look at the list of teams who ran the least amount of plays and you’ll see a list of the nation’s worst teams.
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D...my friend...Bama has always retained the ability to run it down peoples throats.

When they lost that dimension to Jawga vs Jawga, Dawgs took their throne.

Just because they had a lethal passing game doesn't mean they gave up a monster ability to run the ball.

C'mon now.

We have some conflation going on here...
 
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Empirical Cane said:
D...my friend...Bama has always retained the ability to run it down peoples throats.

When they lost that dimension to Jawga vs Jawga, Dawgs took their throne.

Just because they had a lethal passing game doesn't mean they gave up a monster ability to run the ball.

C'mon now.

We have some conflation going on here...
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Being able to run the ball and being a ball control offense aren’t one and the same. Although their running game slipped a bit last year.

They didn’t play Georgia last year and they split two games in 2021. I’m not sure Georgia wins the title if they had to play Bama last year.

Speaking of Georgia, even they picked up the pace on offense last year. They went from 64 plays per game in 2021 to 70 in 2022. Obviously a team like Georgia had a lot of big leads so they bled a lot of time in the fourth quarter of games but early in games or in tight games, they’re moving at a pretty fast clip

Overall plays per game will be down this year because the clock no longer stops for first downs outside the last two minutes of the half. I think the projected average will only be about 3-4 plays per team per game.
 
DTP said:
Being able to run the ball and being a ball control offense aren’t one and the same. Although their running game slipped a bit last year.

They didn’t play Georgia last year and they split two games in 2021. I’m not sure Georgia wins the title if they had to play Bama last year.

Speaking of Georgia, even they picked up the pace on offense last year. They went from 64 plays per game in 2021 to 70 in 2022. Obviously a team like Georgia had a lot of big leads so they bled a lot of time in the fourth quarter of games but early in games or in tight games, they’re moving at a pretty fast clip

Overall plays per game will be down this year because the clock no longer stops for first downs outside the last two minutes of the half. I think the projected average will only be about 3-4 plays per team per game.
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I think we are saying the same thing.

Pace of play, to a degree, is irrelevant; what matters is just you hang on to it and keep it away from the other O (obvious you need to score as well).

I'm not using "ball control" in the sense of wishbone triple option. I'm using it that if you can run the ball effectively in today's game, you can effectively control the ball, and therefore you can effectively control possessions away from your opponent. This helps your defense in several ways and should result in a high win rate no matter who the opponent is.
 
mossmadness said:
Lashlee took over the 84th ranked offense.

In a COVID shortened offseason he turned it into the 23rd ranked offense.

Then having to break in a rFR QB in the middle of conference play. he still had it at 35.

And all of that with an OL so bad that arguably the best OL guru combo in college football looked like they shouldn’t be coaches when they inherited it.

We will be very lucky to have Lashlee level offensive coaching under Mario.
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2 different QBs, had top 26 offense in consecutive years. Anyone who dismisses what Lashlee managed to do should probably follow a different sport because they clearly don't understand college football.
 
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DTP said:
Alabama hasn’t been a “ball control” team for close to a decade. Georgia ran 70 plays per game last year.

Look at the list of teams who ran the least amount of plays and you’ll see a list of the nation’s worst teams.
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Yes, but there can be two reasons why those teams run so few plays.

One is running the play clock down.

But the far more important one is "too many three-and-outs".

Alls I'm sayin' is that people like mossmadness tend to conflate those stats. The issue of running the play clock down, while not anything I support, is that it reduces the number of possessions for BOTH teams, thus making every score critical, and leading to more close games on which the outcome can turn on one possession.

But I guaran-*******-tee you that ANY team that has a bunch of 3-and-outs all season long is going to lose a massive number of games.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Yes, but there can be two reasons why those teams run so few plays.

One is running the play clock down.

But the far more important one is "too many three-and-outs".

Alls I'm sayin' is that people like mossmadness tend to conflate those stats. The issue of running the play clock down, while not anything I support, is that it reduces the number of possessions for BOTH teams, thus making every score critical, and leading to more close games on which the outcome can turn on one possession.

But I guaran-*******-tee you that ANY team that has a bunch of 3-and-outs all season long is going to lose a massive number of games.
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Agreed. Going three and out, whether you're huddling or not is a recipe for disaster. Contrary to some beliefs, going fast doesn't increase your odds of going three and out. It likely decreases them since offenses tend to operate more efficiently without huddling.

Yes, bad teams probably go three and out a lot which decreases their total number of plays. They also tend to purposely slow games down to a crawl to limit total possessions for both teams. You know the math, the less total possessions, the more likely a lucky bounce can affect the outcome of the game.

It's likely a combination of purposely going slow and not stringing together long possessions that keep the bad teams' total play numbers so low.

We're also in agreement that it's counter productive for talented teams to purposefully slow the game down outside of scenarios where there's a huge lead and you're just trying to get the game over.
 
DTP said:
I saw that. Thank jeebus Hardrock doesn't have any ridiculous seating areas like that.

Although the old Orange Bowl did have seats directly behind poles in the lower deck.
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a lot of older basketball arenas like the boston garden, too
 
Since I was at this game I'll give yall some exclusive reporting:

- Branch is that dude. Felt like Percy in 06

- USC's defense is small. 1 guy over 300 on that defense and no one felt like a real difference maker on the line. Tackett Curtis was starting at linebacker and between him and Mason Cobb at linebacker they felt small and slow. Everything we hate about UM's defense recently

- I put in a USC Natty bet the day before and felt like an idiot halfway through the first quarter

- That defense sucks
 
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