USC Re-Hiring Pete Carroll Could Be a Disaster

On what basis are a few timid souls saying that an HC can't go home again? There have been few examples of this. The statement is nothing more than pre-wedding jitters.


Plus, Butch is not coming back to "relive", he is coming home to FINISH.
 
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These articles claiming that coaches never do well when they return. What is that based off of? BC I guarantee that UF would've been better off w Spurrier post Urban Maya. And Oregon is not telling Chip "no dice" if he wants to return.

The failure is in trying to recreate Pete Carroll or Chip Kelly or Urban Meyer or Butch Davis by hiring their assistants. You cannot recreate those four coaches unless you rehire them. Otherwise, move on.
 
Butch is a safe hire for our school with so much to prove. He is hungry for this job. It has been eating at him for 13 years. He is ready and we are ready for him.
 
USC Re-Hiring Pete Carroll Could Be a Disaster

by Michael Castillo

Since Steve Sarkisian was fired as the head USC football coach last Monday, Pete Carroll has been a name that has been bantered about for the Trojans.

The current Seattle Seahawks boss would be a dream hire for a lot of fans, given that he was responsible for one of the most dominant decades in college football history. The Trojans won two national championships and went to seven BCS bowls under Carroll from 2001 to 2009, before he opted to jump to the NFL. He’s won a Super Bowl since.

Despite telling Seattle reporters on Monday that he wouldn’t come back to USC, rumors of his candidacy will not go away. What exactly is he supposed to say when asked about a job opportunity?

“Yeah, I think that would be a great idea,” probably wouldn’t go over too well in his current locker room.

But even if he interested, or more importantly, even if USC boosters demand an open check be written out to him, his return at USC should probably be avoided at all costs.

That is, if you prefer to not eventually be disappointed.

Few coaches have ever had multiple stints at a school and gotten better over the years. That’s a list that includes Mike Riley at Oregon State and Chris Ault at Nevada, neither of which won an outright conference championship.

The reality is that too often, the expectations, progression of the game and the overall age of a coach make it significantly harder to win games the second or even third time around.

USC knows it quite well with none other than John Robinson, who left the Trojans for the LA Rams in 1983.

He returned a decade later, and while he won the 1996 Rose Bowl over Northwestern, he never had a viable long-term plan for the program.

The Trojans hit a wall after their greatest player of the decade, Keyshawn Johnson, was drafted as the No. 1 overall pick in the 1996 NFL Draft. Mediocrity ensued, and the legend of Robinson took a hit.

His struggles are typical of coaches moonlighting with their former school while heading into retirement.

Johnny Majors won a national title at Pittsburgh in 1976 and became the city’s hero because of it. After 16 seasons at Tennessee, he went back to Pitt and won just 12 games in four seasons.

Carroll’s return would see much higher expectations, making it considerably easier to be underwhelming, even if he had moderate success.

Winning a Rose Bowl like Robinson wouldn’t be good enough. He’d have to get to the College Football Playoff almost immediately, and win it within his third or fourth year. If not, he’d be a failure by USC’s enormous set of standards.

That’s a tall task for anyone, but especially someone like Carroll, whose carefree exuberance has always needed counterweights within the room.

For as great and dominant as a head coach as Carroll has been at USC and with the Seahawks, he’s only been as good as his staff will allow.

While in Los Angeles, he never won a national championship after Norm Chow and Ed Orgeron left following the 2004 season.

He went from having the best offensive coordinator and defensive line coach in college football, to finishing his tenure with Jeremy Bates calling offensive plays and former graduate assistant Rocky Seto accepting promotions all the way up to defensive coordinator.

In Seattle, the same kind of turnover is happening, as Carroll’s success is leading to brain drain.

First it was defensive coordinator Gus Bradley that departed to be the Jaguars’ head coach in 2013. This year, it is newly named Atlanta Falcons head coach Dan Quinn that left the same post.

Carroll now has highly under-qualified former Trojan defensive back Kris Richard as his defensive coordinator, in just his fourth year in coaching.

The Seahawks are surrendering 50 more yards per game this year than last, and have a 2-4 record through six games. And that’s despite Carroll somehow finding a way to keep offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell on staff.

So the question is simple. If Pete Carroll returns to coach the Trojans once again, what would his staff look like?

Would Richard come with him to coach the defense? Or would that be Seto? Or would Carroll end his run of nepotism and find a way to make an outside hire?

Would interim head coach Clay Helton stay to run the offense? Where does recruiting star Tee Martin go?

A successful Carroll Era Part Deux would require him to reinvent himself and his staff, all while meeting the ridiculous expectations of re-imagined continuity from way back when.

Will it be a ‘band is back together’ moment like Lane Kiffin attempted in 2010 when he re-hired Ed Orgeron and Kennedy Polamalu? Could Carroll even bring Orgeron back into the fold if Pat Haden is still involved?

What about Pat Ruel? Has anyone heard anything from Tim Davis since he got a job at SMU? Surely, Raiders defensive coordinator Ken Norton Jr. isn’t coming back.

Without knowing exactly what Carroll’s staff would look like, USC can’t afford to pull that trigger just for the illusions of a comfort blanket of nostalgia.

A successful Carroll Era Part Deux would require him to reinvent himself and his staff, all while meeting the ridiculous expectations of re-imagined continuity from way back when.

While he has done a terrific job of piecing together good groups of initial staffs to kick off his USC and Seattle jobs in 2001 and 2010 respectively, this go around would be significantly harder and cater to narrower staffing.

If it doesn’t happen smoothly, the original tenure will be swallowed up by the disappointment of the second.

Think outside of the box, USC. And yes, that includes the roots of the Carroll tree.

Interesting read that maybe can add some perspective to our current search.

Good perspective no doubt.

Playing devil's advocate though, that extremely brief list of comparators to Carroll and Butch for our purposes really only includes one IMHO...Robinson. A Rose Bowl right now wouldn't be bad...lol.

Seriously though, can UM really be compared to any other school? If Jimmy Johnson came back after his Cowboys stint for example....would he have lost his coaching ability and recruiting in South FLA?

Similarly, I thing Pete is such an idol in the area, he would dominate recruiting again, like they pretty much do anyway. I think it is all about who you surround yourself with...and maybe being honest and attempting to counteract Father Time with high quality coordinators that don't need hand holding.

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That's what I'm afraid Butch will face here. Not that I don't want him here again. I just think what we're all expecting may not be achievable for the same coach twice. History's not on his side for building two dominant teams in separate coaching stints.

He doesn't have to build that 2001 team all over again. Butch wasn't going to out scheme anyone, but he made up for that. He was a good coach that will recruit the right kids, brought in the right assistants that developed that talent and put them in the right scheme. Those teams never beat themselves. You don't have to be great x's and o's coach. A bad coach will cost you games. Just look at Al Golden. He should have beaten a top 25 team just out of random luck.

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When some people don't have a good argument, they'll sometimes try to create a point through pure bullschitt.

OP's article is about Pete Carroll. Do I give a **** about Pete Carroll? Only if he was coming to Miami.

Since he's not leaving Seattle, what is the point of this OP's prost? To provide "perspective"? Or, is it just another attempt to smear Butch. As if Butch = Pete, or all head coaches over 60 are the same.


 
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Carroll and the Seahawks front office has been beefing since last year. I wouldnt be surprised if he went back to USC...

LMFAO Pete Carroll is the GM. You have no idea what you are talking about. LMFAO dude is one year removed from what would have been back to back SB wins if not for one of the dumbest play calls in sports history. His next stop is the retirement wing. Guy is 65 and has accomplished everything a coach could ever accomplish.
 
Just finished watching Trojan War.

Pete Carroll played in a BCS bowl (Orange) his second year. He took what he had there and won immediately.
 
Dumbest article ever!! Fact, if Carroll came back to coach SC, they would smoke the Pac-12 and lock up Cali for top recruits, period. Some coaches are just competitve...that's just their personalities. They have a drive, that most of us, here, won't understand.

If Harbaugh came back to the 9ers, guarantee, within 2 years they would be back at or near the top of the NFL.

I've heard the Joe Gibbs comparison in another thread....laughable. First off, Joe wasn't even associated w/ football when he came back....he was associated w/ NASCAR!! And when he came back, after taking over a ratchet Redskins team, his heart wasn't into it, but yet, they still made the playoffs twice with him at the helm.

No way in the world should Joe Gibbs be in comparison to Butch, or any other coach for that matter, as an example of lightning in bottle not happening twice. That's literally apples and oranges. Joe wasn't begging to get back in the game....he was offered something he couldn't refuse, but he was still doing NASCAR on the side...so how dedicated was he really to the game?

Man, I swear, cats just be pulling ish out of the *** to make a point.
 
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Dumbest chit ever... Pete might be the best coach to ever coach in the pros and college... Dude built a dynasty at SC and now at the seahawks.
 
Agree with that and It's why Butch would not be my top choice. What's different though is that Butch has a lot to prove and I think he would be very energized for a 3-5 year period.

I think the whole Butch thing is crazy. He had a lot of flaws, including the Chinese Fire Drills that were his game day sidelines. He was heavily criticized, if not outright hated, by so much of the fan base, including perhaps a lot of the posters here, if they were on Grassy back in the day.

I really liked Butch, and agree that he recruited the perfect storm of a team for 2000-1, but I don't know that he could repeat his success.. People absolutely hated his coordinators, Coker ("Choker") and to a lesser extent, Schiano ("Monkey Boy"). People hated his game day coaching.

I think we need to find another guy, somewhat younger and at an earlier stage in his career but with proven success.

Just like you can't go home again (why I'll never return to Miami) you cannot repeat success with the same coach again. let them perform a very focused and assiduous search, and come up with the person most likely to meet all our criteria for a return to greatness.
 
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Dumbest chit ever... Pete might be the best coach to ever coach in the pros and college... Dude built a dynasty at SC and now at the seahawks.

Might be one of the few exceptions...maybe. As I remember, Carroll was not always the most successful pro coach. Saban could probably go back to LSU and win it all, and Urban could probably do it anywhere, including UF, again. Most coaches could not.

Believe it or not, Butch is not one of those guys. Recruited a great team, but I don't think he could touch those three as overall coaches. They are truly that rare.
 
Johnny Majors was pretty much senile and definitely lazy when he went back to Pitt. John Robinson had nothing to prove or finish at USC and they still won the Rose Bowl a couple years into his second go around. These limited comparisons are worth looking at but I'm not really concerned in relation to Butch.
 
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This is why i want herman over butch.

Herman heading to South Carolina. We better find another younger passionate coach. But I agree with u, would love to have Herman here. My top choice.
 
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