USC Re-Hiring Pete Carroll Could Be a Disaster

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USC Re-Hiring Pete Carroll Could Be a Disaster

by Michael Castillo

Since Steve Sarkisian was fired as the head USC football coach last Monday, Pete Carroll has been a name that has been bantered about for the Trojans.

The current Seattle Seahawks boss would be a dream hire for a lot of fans, given that he was responsible for one of the most dominant decades in college football history. The Trojans won two national championships and went to seven BCS bowls under Carroll from 2001 to 2009, before he opted to jump to the NFL. He’s won a Super Bowl since.

Despite telling Seattle reporters on Monday that he wouldn’t come back to USC, rumors of his candidacy will not go away. What exactly is he supposed to say when asked about a job opportunity?

“Yeah, I think that would be a great idea,” probably wouldn’t go over too well in his current locker room.

But even if he interested, or more importantly, even if USC boosters demand an open check be written out to him, his return at USC should probably be avoided at all costs.

That is, if you prefer to not eventually be disappointed.

Few coaches have ever had multiple stints at a school and gotten better over the years. That’s a list that includes Mike Riley at Oregon State and Chris Ault at Nevada, neither of which won an outright conference championship.

The reality is that too often, the expectations, progression of the game and the overall age of a coach make it significantly harder to win games the second or even third time around.

USC knows it quite well with none other than John Robinson, who left the Trojans for the LA Rams in 1983.

He returned a decade later, and while he won the 1996 Rose Bowl over Northwestern, he never had a viable long-term plan for the program.

The Trojans hit a wall after their greatest player of the decade, Keyshawn Johnson, was drafted as the No. 1 overall pick in the 1996 NFL Draft. Mediocrity ensued, and the legend of Robinson took a hit.

His struggles are typical of coaches moonlighting with their former school while heading into retirement.

Johnny Majors won a national title at Pittsburgh in 1976 and became the city’s hero because of it. After 16 seasons at Tennessee, he went back to Pitt and won just 12 games in four seasons.

Carroll’s return would see much higher expectations, making it considerably easier to be underwhelming, even if he had moderate success.

Winning a Rose Bowl like Robinson wouldn’t be good enough. He’d have to get to the College Football Playoff almost immediately, and win it within his third or fourth year. If not, he’d be a failure by USC’s enormous set of standards.

That’s a tall task for anyone, but especially someone like Carroll, whose carefree exuberance has always needed counterweights within the room.

For as great and dominant as a head coach as Carroll has been at USC and with the Seahawks, he’s only been as good as his staff will allow.

While in Los Angeles, he never won a national championship after Norm Chow and Ed Orgeron left following the 2004 season.

He went from having the best offensive coordinator and defensive line coach in college football, to finishing his tenure with Jeremy Bates calling offensive plays and former graduate assistant Rocky Seto accepting promotions all the way up to defensive coordinator.

In Seattle, the same kind of turnover is happening, as Carroll’s success is leading to brain drain.

First it was defensive coordinator Gus Bradley that departed to be the Jaguars’ head coach in 2013. This year, it is newly named Atlanta Falcons head coach Dan Quinn that left the same post.

Carroll now has highly under-qualified former Trojan defensive back Kris Richard as his defensive coordinator, in just his fourth year in coaching.

The Seahawks are surrendering 50 more yards per game this year than last, and have a 2-4 record through six games. And that’s despite Carroll somehow finding a way to keep offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell on staff.

So the question is simple. If Pete Carroll returns to coach the Trojans once again, what would his staff look like?

Would Richard come with him to coach the defense? Or would that be Seto? Or would Carroll end his run of nepotism and find a way to make an outside hire?

Would interim head coach Clay Helton stay to run the offense? Where does recruiting star Tee Martin go?

A successful Carroll Era Part Deux would require him to reinvent himself and his staff, all while meeting the ridiculous expectations of re-imagined continuity from way back when.

Will it be a ‘band is back together’ moment like Lane Kiffin attempted in 2010 when he re-hired Ed Orgeron and Kennedy Polamalu? Could Carroll even bring Orgeron back into the fold if Pat Haden is still involved?

What about Pat Ruel? Has anyone heard anything from Tim Davis since he got a job at SMU? Surely, Raiders defensive coordinator Ken Norton Jr. isn’t coming back.

Without knowing exactly what Carroll’s staff would look like, USC can’t afford to pull that trigger just for the illusions of a comfort blanket of nostalgia.

A successful Carroll Era Part Deux would require him to reinvent himself and his staff, all while meeting the ridiculous expectations of re-imagined continuity from way back when.

While he has done a terrific job of piecing together good groups of initial staffs to kick off his USC and Seattle jobs in 2001 and 2010 respectively, this go around would be significantly harder and cater to narrower staffing.

If it doesn’t happen smoothly, the original tenure will be swallowed up by the disappointment of the second.

Think outside of the box, USC. And yes, that includes the roots of the Carroll tree.

Interesting read that maybe can add some perspective to our current search.
 
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Agree with that and It's why Butch would not be my top choice. What's different though is that Butch has a lot to prove and I think he would be very energized for a 3-5 year period.
 
Butch Hiring Day is 21 away

Still looking? Searching? Wandering aimlessly in the desert of CORCHES?


I must be looking for something
Something sacred I lost
But the river is wide
And it's too hard to cross

And even though I know the river is wide
I walk down every evening and I stand on the shore
And try to cross to the opposite side
So I can finally find out what I've been looking for

I don't know why I go walking at night
But now I'm tired and I don't want to walk anymore
I hope it doesn't take the rest of my life
Until I find what it is that I've been looking for

In the middle of the night
I go walking in my sleep
Through the jungle of doubt
To a river so deep

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That's what I'm afraid Butch will face here. Not that I don't want him here again. I just think what we're all expecting may not be achievable for the same coach twice. History's not on his side for building two dominant teams in separate coaching stints.
 
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Agree with that and It's why Butch would not be my top choice. What's different though is that Butch has a lot to prove and I think he would be very energized for a 3-5 year period.

Yep - I feel that this point is key with regard to Butch. He will be a 3-5 year hire. That said, I think the next coach regardless who it is isnt here longer than 5 years
 
This was a good read and definitely made some good points lofty expectations when re-hiring coaches who have been successful at their school. The main difference between Butch and Pete Carroll however, is that Pete already succeeded and won at USC and really doesn't have anything to gain by coming back whereas Butch has yet to reach the mountaintop of college football. Sure he built the foundation for the program's monumental run, but he wasn't around to really truly reap the benefits of his labor. He gets credit for building the roster of course, but with a man like Butch Davis you have to know that he still somehow feels incomplete since he really wasn't a part of that championship run and period of dominance. So Butch still has something to prove and hopefully that chip on his shoulder will be a motivating factor for him to return Miami back to dominance.
 
This articles retarded, Carroll is not leaving the seahawks, he is loved by all and wont get fired anytime this decade.
 
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Lest we forget...Carroll left college football to become a pro coach who returned to USC for a special career before returning to the Pro's
 
I do agree that Butch coming back has the caveat of he wants to finish what he started so he will be more energized. But I think there is something to be said about a coach returning to a previous job. It's just not the same and to have the same expectations may be unrealistic.

The article should give everyone clamoring for Butch pause though. There's a lot more risk than I think people want to believe.
 
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That's what I'm afraid Butch will face here. Not that I don't want him here again. I just think what we're all expecting may not be achievable for the same coach twice. History's not on his side for building two dominant teams in separate coaching stints.

He doesn't have to build that 2001 team all over again. Butch wasn't going to out scheme anyone, but he made up for that. He was a good coach that will recruit the right kids, brought in the right assistants that developed that talent and put them in the right scheme. Those teams never beat themselves. You don't have to be great x's and o's coach. A bad coach will cost you games. Just look at Al Golden. He should have beaten a top 25 team just out of random luck.
 
Carroll and the Seahawks front office has been beefing since last year. I wouldnt be surprised if he went back to USC...
 
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I do agree that Butch coming back has the caveat of he wants to finish what he started so he will be more energized. But I think there is something to be said about a coach returning to a previous job. It's just not the same and to have the same expectations may be unrealistic.

The article should give everyone clamoring for Butch pause though. There's a lot more risk than I think people want to believe.

Well said. I still think Butch may the be the best available choice, but there are still major concerns here. As noted, history would not be on his side.
 
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On what basis are a few timid souls saying that an HC can't go home again? There have been few examples of this. The statement is nothing more than pre-wedding jitters.

 
Agree with that and It's why Butch would not be my top choice. What's different though is that Butch has a lot to prove and I think he would be very energized for a 3-5 year period.

Not to mention, Butch got us through the biggest ncaa penalty until that date. Pete got USC the biggest ncaa penalty EVER. Butch fixed trouble; dear old Pete was trouble. Butch left greatest team ever to go to NFL: Pete left great mess ever to run to NFL.
 
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