UNLV Matt Sluka-Sitting Out Due To NIL Dispute

[Rellyrell]

If Cam did that, which he wouldn't, I would lose respect for him as a leader and a player. But would that situation make me say, "We should go back to NCAA enforcement and players getting paid illegal crumbs?" Of course not.

This is not the end game. The end game is a bankrupt NCAA, collective bargaining, and a true professional league like the NFL. Part of that process is what we are going through now. It is an improvement over the old system, and a step toward the right system.

How many athletic departments are actually in a position to become “professional?”

 

[DMoney]

How many athletic departments are actually in a position to become “professional?”

It wouldn’t be the whole department. Football and basketball would break off. Otherwise, it’s football players funding administrators and athletes in non-revenue sports.

 

[IbzRlz]

He definitely should have had a contract written and up signed before he enrolled there but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s not getting what he was offered and is choosing to sit out and transfer elsewhere is a much bettter idea than just playing for nothing.

Agree 100%. Mindboggling that UNLV is worried about $100K when they were having their best season in 40 years and ranked in the top 25 for the first time ever. No half decent recruit is going to want to play there...they couldn't see the forest for the trees

 

[ddann]

Agree 100%. Mindboggling that UNLV is worried about $100K when they were having their best season in 40 years and ranked in the top 25 for the first time ever. No half decent recruit is going to want to play there...they couldn't see the forest for the trees

They should bring in that dude from Las Vegas that was a big time QB recruit a few years back. He was on that “QB1” show. I think he still has some eligibility left.

 

[TemplarCane]

Quick note: I believe one of the Bosa brothers sat out the season even after being healed from an injury, also JSN too. Depends on whether you believe the rumors or not. Those are the only 2 instances I can think of that happening.

Correct. One of the Bosa brothers was injured early his junior or senior season at Ohio State. He would’ve recovered, but I believe not until much later in the season, so he decided and just heal up and prepare for the draft. You would think somebody at Ohio State with a chance of a national championship would want that opportunity. At the same time, he made a business decision and is currently one of the highest paid defensive lineman in the league.

 

[ddann]

What’s the deal with Superfly Sluka? Is he a senior? Is he forfeiting the rest of his college football career, or will he be eligible for one more season next year?

 

[Rellyrell]

It wouldn’t be the whole department. Football and basketball would break off. Otherwise, it’s football players funding administrators and athletes in non-revenue sports.

Sir, u do realize that there are programs fully reliant upon football, & are in the red as an AD, don’t u? So how many programs do u think can become professional & remain operational? U would agree that FBS would need to completely reduce in size, right, b/c not all 135 teams can go the professional model? I would argue, not even half can become a professional model.

U’re advocating a franchise like model, when in reality if u ever looked at a financial report from an institution, often times sports are not generating the revenue we think; which is y donations are so important.

I’m trying to provide a happy medium, while u’re advocating a sport to become on the levels of the NFL, & it’s not remotely the same. U can take “some” elements of the NFL as a guideline, but these r not professional athletes no matter how much u keep trying to force this narrative.

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A recent NCAA report stated that only 14 of the 120 athletic programs in the Football Bowl Subdivision made money. The Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) includes all BCS conferences (PAC 10, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, etc) so odds are your favorite athletic program is losing money. 12% of college...

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Analysis: Who is winning in the high-revenue world of college sports?

The U.S. hyper-commercialized system of college sports, which does not exist anywhere else in the world, is in a period of overarching transition and deep financial crisis.

www.pbs.org

Higher Education Leaders Are Asleep At The Wheel

Not surprising, the highest paid college coaches and administrators are supporting paying athletes as employees.

www.forbes.com

Do Colleges Make Money From Athletics? | BestColleges

Although college sports play a big role in bringing in money for universities, they rarely generate a positive net revenue.

www.bestcolleges.com

Should Institutions Support Sports Programs That Don’t Make Money?

Plus some other ways to think about the value of athletics.

www.insidehighered.com

 

[Tony4Canes]

What’s the deal with Superfly Sluka? Is he a senior? Is he forfeiting the rest of his college football career, or will he be eligible for one more season next year?

Since he will RS now, one more year

 

[DMoney]

Sir, u do realize that there are programs fully reliant upon football, & are in the red as an AD. So how many programs do u think can become professional & remain operational? U would agree that FBS would need to completely reduce in size, right, b/c not all 135 teams can go the professional model. I would argue, not even half can become a professional model.

U’re advocating a franchise like model, when in reality if u ever looked at a financial report from an institution, often times sports are not generating the revenue we think. Which is y donations are so important. I’m trying to provide a happy medium, while u’re advocating a sport to become on the levels of the NFL, & it’s not remotely the same. U can take “some” elements of the NFL as a guideline, but these r not professional athletes no matter how much u keep trying to force this narrative.

You don't need all 135 teams. Just take the Power 4 teams that already invest heavily in revenue sports. They're playing a different game than the rest of the schools anyway.

And of course these kids are professional athletes. They get paid to play football. The NCAA loses every case, and they've burned $234 million of lawyer fees in the process. Amateurism is dead. Either the politicians change the law and give the corrupt NCAA a safe harbor, or we accept reality and build a pro league with school affiliations.

It's true that Olympic sports will suffer. But it should not be the responsibility of young football and basketball players to fund everyone else. They have specific skills that people spend money to watch. It's their earnings. Let's stop the charade and build an enterprise that makes sense. You don't need the NCAA to run a football league or a basketball tournament.

 

[Rellyrell]

You don't need all 135 teams. Just take the Power 4 teams that already invest heavily in revenue sports. They're playing a different game than the rest of the schools anyway.

And of course these kids are professional athletes. They get paid to play football. The NCAA loses every case, and they've burned $234 million of lawyer fees in the process. Amateurism is dead. Either the politicians change the law and give the corrupt NCAA a safe harbor, or we accept reality and build a pro league with school affiliations.

It's true that Olympic sports will suffer. But it should not be the responsibility of young football and basketball players to fund everyone else. They have specific skills that people spend money to watch. It's their earnings. Let's stop the charade and build an enterprise that makes sense. You don't need the NCAA to run a football league or a basketball tournament.

U have this tunnel vision of the NCAA. Did they do something to u, personally? No where did I say anything about the NCAA, yet u continuously bring them up.

& I’m telling u right now, ur proposal will fall flat. U will have FBS with 20 teams, tops. I really suggest u use ur connections to review a revenue/expense sheet. CFB is not the NFL, not matter what u think.

Reform needs to be made, that we agree on, but ur business model is not sustainable for the vast majority of programs. Provide an allotted cap for these guys to get a piece of the revenue sharing, & allow them to achieve NIL appropriately, period. If boosters wanna shell out $500k for an autograph signing event, so be it.

 

[DMoney]

This is a good interview on the topic from former TD Ameritrade chairman and Coastal Carolina head coach Joe Moglia:

 

[DMoney]

U have this tunnel vision of the NCAA. Did they do something to u, personally? No where did I say anything about the NCAA, yet u continuously bring them up.

Who else do you think is going to implement the reforms you're talking about?

And yes, I have a problem with the NCAA. They've violated antitrust law for decades at the expense of players. And they misappropriated taxpayer money to fund a worthless case against our beloved Miami Hurricanes. As a representative, I've sat in the room with them during enforcement proceedings. I know how they get down.

I really suggest u use ur connections to review a revenue/expense sheet.

What sheets are you reviewing? ESPN just paid $7.8 billion for the College Football Playoff alone. All 135 teams aren't contributing to that payday.

One big expense is funding Olympic sports. Those programs will suffer if you spin off the Power 4 programs to a professional league. But why are young football players responsible for funding our nation's Olympic program anyway? And if expenses are so tight, why have coach salaries, buyouts and facility spending skyrocketed in the past decade?

Amateurism is already dead. Let's do things the right way instead of trying to fix a failed model.

 

[Calinative]

U have this tunnel vision of the NCAA. Did they do something to u, personally? No where did I say anything about the NCAA, yet u continuously bring them up.

& I’m telling u right now, ur proposal will fall flat. U will have FBS with 20 teams, tops. I really suggest u use ur connections to review a revenue/expense sheet. CFB is not the NFL, not matter what u think.

Reform needs to be made, that we agree on, but ur business model is not sustainable for the vast majority of programs. Provide an allotted cap for these guys to get a piece of the revenue sharing, & allow them to achieve NIL appropriately, period. If boosters wanna shell out $500k for an autograph signing event, so be it.

So let the schools further balloon their scholarship expenses so that they can use that to show how “in the red” they are and why they can’t afford to pay football players who are bringing them in hundreds of millions yearly.

SEC, B10 are like combined 32 programs set to make $100M/yr each by 2030 JUST from the conference media deals, which are likely at least 90% driven by Football. Seems to me any CBA for football should then see the players make at least $40M/yr in “salary cap” in those conferences.

Just separate football completely for the top 40 or so programs, and have the school operate as “the owner” of the team, and all the rest of College Sports can return to normal with reasonable NIL and with conferences realigned by location/rivalry which will reduce expenses…. Basically remove football from Title IX and out from under the NCAA

 

[Rellyrell]

Who else do you think is going to implement the reforms you're talking about?

And yes, I have a problem with the NCAA. They've violated antitrust law for decades at the expense of players. And they misappropriated taxpayer money to fund a worthless case against our beloved Miami Hurricanes. As a representative, I've sat in the room with them during enforcement proceedings. I know how they get down.



What sheets are you reviewing? ESPN just paid $7.8 billion for the College Football Playoff alone. All 135 teams aren't contributing to that payday.

One big expense is funding Olympic sports. Those programs will suffer if you spin off the Power 4 programs to a professional league. But why are young football players responsible for funding our nation's Olympic program anyway? And if expenses are so tight, why have coach salaries, buyouts and facility spending skyrocketed in the past decade?

Amateurism is already dead. Let's do things the right way instead of trying to fix a failed model.

U know what, chief, I’m not really w/ the back & forth especially when I provide articles debunking theories, & I just said the reform that’s needed doesn’t include the NCAA or even involve the NCAA. I’ve continuously said the Bowl Committee/CFP committee in several threads on this topic…so u got it.

 

[Bender]

Uh... never said that.

 

[GojiraCane]

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Rashada was promised things too.

 

[CaneBorn1983]

Sir, u do realize that there are programs fully reliant upon football, & are in the red as an AD, don’t u? So how many programs do u think can become professional & remain operational? U would agree that FBS would need to completely reduce in size, right, b/c not all 135 teams can go the professional model? I would argue, not even half can become a professional model.

U’re advocating a franchise like model, when in reality if u ever looked at a financial report from an institution, often times sports are not generating the revenue we think; which is y donations are so important.

I’m trying to provide a happy medium, while u’re advocating a sport to become on the levels of the NFL, & it’s not remotely the same. U can take “some” elements of the NFL as a guideline, but these r not professional athletes no matter how much u keep trying to force this narrative.

College Athletics By The Numbers: A Deeper Look at Profitability - Christopher Lee

A recent NCAA report stated that only 14 of the 120 athletic programs in the Football Bowl Subdivision made money. The Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) includes all BCS conferences (PAC 10, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, etc) so odds are your favorite athletic program is losing money. 12% of college...

christopherlee.com

Analysis: Who is winning in the high-revenue world of college sports?

The U.S. hyper-commercialized system of college sports, which does not exist anywhere else in the world, is in a period of overarching transition and deep financial crisis.

www.pbs.org

Higher Education Leaders Are Asleep At The Wheel

Not surprising, the highest paid college coaches and administrators are supporting paying athletes as employees.

www.forbes.com

Do Colleges Make Money From Athletics? | BestColleges

Although college sports play a big role in bringing in money for universities, they rarely generate a positive net revenue.

www.bestcolleges.com

Should Institutions Support Sports Programs That Don’t Make Money?

Plus some other ways to think about the value of athletics.

www.insidehighered.com

These articles don’t support your argument. The reason many schools, even big name schools struggle to make a profit is because their football and men’s basketball programs support all the other sports programs. Take out the revenue and expenses of the non-revenue sports, which make up the overwhelming majority of scholarships, and every single Power 4 program in the country would be deeply in the black. Eliminate the phantom “cost of tuition” from the equation in football and basketball and they are even more deeply in the black. Transfer a greater share of the NCAA Tournament revenue to the schools and boom, even more in the black. Collectively negotiate TV rights for a new college pro league and boom even more in the black. Eliminate systems that require unnecessary spending on facilities (college facilities are far superior to NFL facilities with the exception of stadiums) and boom even more in the black.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

If reform means blowing up the NCAA, then we’re speaking the same language. I just don’t want half-measures where the NCAA controls enforcement.

There is a better model out there, but the current system is way better than the last one.

“There is a better model out there, but the current system is way better than the last one.”

Emphasizing this for the peanut gallery in the back cheering for more NCAA control, ie, a return to their hegemony.

In other words targeted control and enforcement where the NCAA allows only some schools to maximize player compensation (eg, the SEC bag system) and other schools are prohibited and penalized, to put it simply.

Obviously, there is more nuance, and it’s more complicated than just that, but in a nutshell, if you were explaining it to someone that wasn’t familiar with the history of college football for the last 30 years, this would pretty much sum it up.

@DMoney is 100% on the money here, pun intended.

 

[Felonious Monk]

 

[JD08]

A contract is supposed to protect both sides. By ******** up NIL and not tying it to performance, it just encourages bad behavior.