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Univ. of Cincinnati Shuts down Men's Soccer Program

brock said:
Probably was already in the works and this virus gave them an early out. Wouldn’t be surprised if most schools cancel non revenue generating sports (obviously excluding football and basketball). Those sports are essential revenue wise for most schools however the women sports and men’s soccer, and other miscellaneous sporting leagues are not to be honest
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At 99.9% of programs in the country, football makes money, men’s basketball about breaks even, and every other sport loses money.
 
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blushrts said:
College soccer is why the US will never make inroads to be competitive in world soccer
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This is correct. And it's not necessarily a bad thing. I prefer thousands of kids get an education thanks to soccer over a legit world cup team. However, both of these might be possible if the elite continue going overseas for development.

The 'pay to play' thing is overblown in my experience in the academy system. If you're good enough, you're playing and the club will sponsor your costs.

pacusmc said:
Facts. We get kids here in sofla from all over that can straight ball but the parents can’t pay.
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For the most part If the kid is good enough Weston or Kendall will take care of the costs. As the MLS continues to grow and expand this will become less of an issue.
 
BeauxBeaux said:
The 'pay to play' thing is overblown in my experience in the academy system. If you're good enough, you're playing and the club will sponsor your costs.
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The problem is the pay to play system is exponentially reducing the size of the field of players we can select from and decide who is "good enough". But that also tails into the problem mentioned above re soccer earnings...

You always hear "What if all of our Lebron James/Michael Jordan athletes played soccer, we'd be incredible!". Yes, we would. But why would a talented young athlete (not from an affluent family) choose to go into soccer where their odds of making it are very low and the financial reward even if they do is not that great (relatively speaking)? They don't. They go into the major US sports where their potential earnings if they are that good is in the 10s of millions. Sure, a US soccer player COULD end up down Pulisic's path and make it to a bigtime international club and ultimately make a ton of money. But we're talking one kid, or maybe a very small handful of kids, vs NBA/NFL/MLB that has full teams of athletes all making even more. Sadly, I don't see how that changes. You can't snap a figure and suddenly have MLS players making NBA-style bank.
 
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Saviorcane said:
This is not true. Almost all top level academy kids are still playing some college. Even top level academy/college kids don’t make a MLS roster to start with.
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Some college correct. But if your 18-24 years old and your playing college you’re a borderline mls player. The chances of having a career as a professional socce player is slim. The real good players that will make enough money to not have to worry about rent are scooped up before they even get to college.
Bit that’s not the problem. The problem is ignoring a huge chunk of the American youth and the salary discrepancy basically erases the best athletes in this country from even considering soccer as an option. And the salary factor also hurts sprinting imo.
 
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pacusmc said:
Some college correct. But if your 18-24 years old and your playing college you’re a borderline mls player. The chances of having a career as a professional socce player is slim. The real good players that will make enough money to not have to worry about rent are scooped up before they even get to college.
Bit that’s not the problem. The problem is ignoring a huge chunk of the American youth and the salary discrepancy basically erases the best athletes in this country from even considering soccer as an option. And the salary factor also hurts sprinting imo.
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If you're in college you have less than a .5$ chance of making it anywhere in professional soccer

And when I say professional soccer its not being some bench scrub on a MLS team

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pacusmc said:
D1 soccer is dead due the academies taking all the kids. The academies don’t allow kids to play high school. If your a 16 year old player and haven’t been picked up by a professional team yet, then you're likely college bound. But the scouting system for college soccer is nowhere near the level of football. If soccer in America would just take a page from football and have an established coaching network for high schools then soccer on the US would explode. As long as they continue this pay to play system US soccer is fckd.
Imagine making kids pay thousands a year to get the best coaching for football. How many optimist kids would stop playing right now? What about the muck?
US soccer has basically said that any kid that is broke in the US has no chance of being a professional soccer player. And the academies are not gonna let that money go. If US soccer was for real they would subsidize coaches salaries in high school so they would have quality to coaches and open tryouts for the most talented kids. I know kids in rec soccer that are better than some of the acandemy kids but the parents can’t afford it.

Edit: the last sentence I meant travel soccer.
My kid is on a travel team and his classmate is better than he is but his parents can’t afford travel soccer. The parents feel like sht and have no options. Mind you were talking about an 8 year old that probably has natural talent and no real avenue to develop it due to money. And we wonder why we can’t make the World Cup.
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They are allowing academy kids to play high school in most areas. They tried to not allow it and the athletes started not attending the academies.
 
pacusmc said:
D1 soccer is basically academy flunkies and foreign players. It’s almost impossible to get a d1 scholarship now a days and f you only play high school. Just take a look at d1 rosters make and female. I remember watching the women’s World Cup and a bunch of foreign players play here for d1 schools. We literally have a soccer field in every middle school and high school in America. But US soccer is in bed with these developmental academies and they are not going to shake the status quo. Until that changes we will suck and only a few players a year will be skillful enough to play in Europe.
imagine Brazil having no players from the favelas? Or the nfl not having single player that isn’t from a middle class family.
I’m not saying you have to be broke to be good. But your erasing an entire demographic. South America and Europe look under every rock demographic or race for players. Messi at 12 years old in small town in Argentina got a plane ticket plus room and board to play for Barcelona. While the is ignores a huge swath of players cause they can’t pay. It’s so stupid it’s comical.
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I coach and train part time for a local club in my area that I grew up playing for. We have 3 girls signed D1 that never stepped foot in an academy. They played high school and club for us. I am not sure of the boys side b/c I haven't trained any of them. Alot of what you all are saying definitely holds weight...the system has drastically changed from the days when I was growing up, but some of the statements here are incorrect.
 
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Plzwork4 said:
I coach and train part time for a local club in my area that I grew up playing for. We have 3 girls signed D1 that never stepped foot in an academy. They played high school and club for us. I am not sure of the boys side b/c I haven't trained any of them. Alot of what you all are saying definitely holds weight...the system has drastically changed from the days when I was growing up, but some of this stuff is wrong.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but womens soccer teams have many more scholarships than the guys
 
For_The_U said:
Solid post. The pay to play system has been our hamstring for decades. It's why our team (especially prior to about 5 years ago) was almost solely comprised of white kids from the New England area. It's absurd and we will never be better until it changes.

Having said that, I've heard a lot of people with a lot more knowledge on the topic than me say the answer is not college soccer; that, in fact, the college system we have hurts us. That camp advocates for an increased academy system. It's worth noting the rest of the soccer world uses a tiered academy system and starts farming them before they even have hair under their armpits.
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When I was a kid, nobody played soccer. We didn't care. It was a foreign sport, something the English played.

I grew up in the 50's and '60's. I think the American soccer boom took off in the '70's.

Now it's something that girls and undersized white boys play. Back in the day, white boys played football and basketball. Now, no longer the case. (Honestly, how many white guys do you see in either sport--and many of the white guys in basketball are from Europe). So, the fallback is soccer and baseball.

Believe it not, when I was a kid, girls didn't even play sports. I saw some pictures of girls' basketball when I was a kid (cause nobody in your immediate environment played it). They wore dresses when they played it.
 
TheMatador said:
When I was a kid, nobody played soccer. We didn't care. It was a foreign sport, something the English played.

I grew up in the 50's and '60's. I think the American soccer boom took off in the '70's.

Now it's something that girls and undersized white boys play. Back in the day, white boys played football and basketball. Now, no longer the case. (Honestly, how many white guys do you see in either sport--and many of the white guys in basketball are from Europe). So, the fallback is soccer and baseball.

Believe it not, when I was a kid, girls didn't even play sports. I saw some pictures of girls' basketball when I was a kid (cause nobody in your immediate environment played it). They wore dresses when they played it.
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you're an old fart
 
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