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UNC says it was coaching

Lord of Overtown said:
From their webcast:

"The Vippolis podcast offered up a different take on the historic rushing effort by the heels.

In addition to crediting the heels and their tailback duo, they also talked about why Miami got run all over. They didn't think they failed to show up. They didn't think they were not ready to play. They did not blame the players.

They blamed the coaching... And specifically they called out the "high school level game plan" they put together. They said the scheme was to blame.

I kept noticing terrible pursuit angles, so I was blaming the players. But they have a pretty good theory.

The Miami scheme was to get the D line upfield in rushing lanes to pressure and disrupt our offence. So they kept getting too far upfield. The great defensive ends neutralized themselves by getting too far upfield, thereby losing edge contain.

Without an edge, we were able to be patient and let the rest of the line work, then bounce the inside runs outside behind that absent DE.

The linebackers were all caught up inside in their gaps because they correctly diagnosed "inside run". That left Javonte Williams and Michael Carter against defensive backs in space, with wide recievers blocking. Yeah, I wouldn't want to be a Miami DB at that point either."

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Good take Overtown.

That lack of performance falls on Diaz.
Simply put, it was: Putrid, Squalid, Rancid. An absolute Malodorus, Fetid and Rotting display.
 
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skeeter said:
The D-line definitely got pushed around...BUT...the back 7, particularly the dbs were the bigger problem...If Amari Carter plays SLIGHTLY BAD instead of record-setting bad, you can cut AT LEAST 150 off of that rushing total. He was handing them 8-30 extra yards on every wrong
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How was Amari slow *** gonna get the angle on any of those backs coming out of the backfield at 100 mph EVERY PLAY?

No redirect, no broken tackle. The backs were AT FULL SPEED BEFORE THE SECONDARY EVEN SAW THEM.

Every single player on that defense played that entire game in no man’s land. Players have limitations. Competent coaches account for them.
 
HighSeas said:
Plenty of schematic issues but you can't give the players a free pass. Name me a scheme where the design is for the LBs to get cut at the 2nd level as often as they did. But again that's on the coaches for deploying 2 LBs with atrocious diagnostic skills (development? evaluations?) and the lateral movement of a refrigerator.
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Exactly.

Not accounting for KNOWN limitations.

McCloud and Jennings only have one thing you can use them for due to their limited skills. That is to crash one gap. THAT IS ALL. They don’t have the skills to do anything else.

They were physical one gap thumpers in high school and that is all they are now. But now they are asked to play out of their skill set and they can’t even do that for watching and thinking.

If those two ever stepped on the field, all you can ask of them is to blow up their assigned gap as quickly as possible and hope they get lucky and run into the ball carrier or quarterback.

If deployed properly from the beginning, they might have the confidence to successfully intimidate offenses with their hitting, but that ship sailed long ago.
 
Zbrod95 said:
Which is absolutely retarded because if they knew what the **** they were doing they would’ve known that UNC is a run heavy team and it’s sets everything up offensively. They literally have 2 NFL backs. Just to hear that is ******* ridiculous.
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Yes. Really bad gameplan. The fact that fans (including in part myself) were mad at players is actually giving cover to the ineffective game plan put forth by the coaching staff. The coaches need to be held to account and that starts at the top.
 
Maybe it's both... Maybe the players quit because they knew instinctively that the game plan the corches came up with was pure manure! Wouldn't be the first time Miami players quit on bad corching.
 
hoops156 said:
Manny is learning. hes got to make changes to the D staff same as he did with the O staff. this D, even with its weaknesses schematically, isn't the same (wasn't last year and same w this year but there is a drop off in talent at LB/CB compared to previous years). idk if **** be a good coach but no coach is getting fired coming off 8-2, a good recruiting class. he does have to win the bowl, get rid of rumph patke baker at a min, and well see if he deserves year 4
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Ts the exact same scheme. We just didn’t play Clemson or year 2 UNC last year.

It’s the same scheme that got assraped by Clemson and Wisconsin twice, and LSU, and VaTech in 2016, and a million times in the big 12. It DOESNT WORK against legit pass to run offenses. Never has, never will.
 
sdaly12 said:
haven't we had enough of a sample size from CMD and his staff ? Orange bowl on the line we come out flat as pancake
no adjustments in game... ends keep crashing taking themselves out of play LB's who knows were they were ?
WE are stuck with CMD for 2 more years of same BS.....Blake must step in and say fire your D staff this give s CMD an out or letting go his underachieving buddies Baker, Banda, Patke
new DC should hire his team(assistant coaches) and bring his scheme, only prerequisite base 4-3
kinda like J.Leavitt, we need a hard *** on staff......
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This whole “we must have a base 4-3” nonsense sounds like the “pro style bro!” Idiots.

Forcing yourself to only select from one type of scheme is foolish.
 
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Lord of Overtown said:
From their webcast:

"The Vippolis podcast offered up a different take on the historic rushing effort by the heels.

In addition to crediting the heels and their tailback duo, they also talked about why Miami got run all over. They didn't think they failed to show up. They didn't think they were not ready to play. They did not blame the players.

They blamed the coaching... And specifically they called out the "high school level game plan" they put together. They said the scheme was to blame.

I kept noticing terrible pursuit angles, so I was blaming the players. But they have a pretty good theory.

The Miami scheme was to get the D line upfield in rushing lanes to pressure and disrupt our offence. So they kept getting too far upfield. The great defensive ends neutralized themselves by getting too far upfield, thereby losing edge contain.

Without an edge, we were able to be patient and let the rest of the line work, then bounce the inside runs outside behind that absent DE.

The linebackers were all caught up inside in their gaps because they correctly diagnosed "inside run". That left Javonte Williams and Michael Carter against defensive backs in space, with wide recievers blocking. Yeah, I wouldn't want to be a Miami DB at that point either."

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Yep, was yelling this on the gameday board. Just completely embarrassed us and zero adjustments were made.
 
Emilioooooh said:
Maybe it's both... Maybe the players quit because they knew instinctively that the game plan the corches came up with was pure manure! Wouldn't be the first time Miami players quit on bad corching.
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I know the parents of one of the d players, they knew immediately that they were ***ed. Called his dad as soon as they left the facility. Told his dad that the younger players were ****ed, they felt like they earned playing time. One of the freshmen even questioned the d coord thats why he didn't get that much burn.
 
Emilioooooh said:
Maybe it's both... Maybe the players quit because they knew instinctively that the game plan the corches came up with was pure manure! Wouldn't be the first time Miami players quit on bad corching.
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It’s not just “quitting”. I am sure there were some players that did just quit, but there are many blowouts where the team doesn’t “intentionally” pack it in.

It is momentum and emotion. Sometimes you get hit so hard and fast, you just freeze up being overwhelmed in the moment. Strong leaders, both players and coaches, are able to galvanize the rest of the team and give them something to rally around emotionally.

Football is all focus and all emotion. You break them both for your opponent, you will run them off the field VERY quickly. When you are emotionally broken, your body and reflexes don’t respond at an optimal level. You will think you are moving fast, but in reality be only 70-80%. You will get out of your assignment and miss plays trying to do too much. You will watch and wait and miss plays too. We saw all of this Saturday.

When your gameplan is bad, you put your team in the perilous position of having to have super human confidence and resolve just to compete. We don’t have that type of culture for various reasons. But we have grown. There are numerous games we could have quit this year but didn’t, as opposed to last season’s debacle. But when you face incredible talent and your plan is completely inane and CAUSING the failure, there aren’t very many young men who can stay posed under that onslaught.
 
But but but "we have an elite D! If we just scored 26 points, we would win every game!"

GTFOOH. I was telling people this D would let us down even AFTER our O improves.
 
Salt said:
typically adjustments are made in the second half if the game plan is not panning out in the first.. It appeared none were made and they just kept doing more of the same. That just seems odd to me because we have usually been able to make decent second half adjustments on defense. Something just doesn't seem right.
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they needed to make adjustment in the first quarter because the game would be over in the second quarter: I was at the game I knew we were in trouble during a time out : Manny, Blake, and a third coach were in a circle discussing strategy : I figured they would come up with something, we go right back out their and we get rip for another long run. At that moment me and my son got up and left, they didn't have a clue on what to do. I think the players also felt that, and basically sleep walked the rest of the game.
 
TruCane81 said:
It’s not just “quitting”. I am sure there were some players that did just quit, but there are many blowouts where the team doesn’t “intentionally” pack it in.

It is momentum and emotion. Sometimes you get hit so hard and fast, you just freeze up being overwhelmed in the moment. Strong leaders, both players and coaches, are able to galvanize the rest of the team and give them something to rally around emotionally.

Football is all focus and all emotion. You break them both for your opponent, you will run them off the field VERY quickly. When you are emotionally broken, your body and reflexes don’t respond at an optimal level. You will think you are moving fast, but in reality be only 70-80%. You will get out of your assignment and miss plays trying to do too much. You will watch and wait and miss plays too. We saw all of this Saturday.

When your gameplan is bad, you put your team in the perilous position of having to have super human confidence and resolve just to compete. We don’t have that type of culture for various reasons. But we have grown. There are numerous games we could have quit this year but didn’t, as opposed to last season’s debacle. But when you face incredible talent and your plan is completely inane and CAUSING the failure, there aren’t very many young men who can stay posed under that onslaught.
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it wasn't just the game plan, it looked like they had no idea ( coaches ) on how to stop the bleeding: there was Manny, Blake and a third coach standing by themselves talking: the safeties & CB's were in a separate group waving their arms, the linebackers and DL were in a separate group just quiet : I am telling you it was a hopeless feeling in that stadium :
 
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hoops156 said:
so ill pose this to you -- yes we got smoked but UF kinda had the same issue. lost to a bad team at home with 54 guys available playing for nothing and no bowl and they had a playoff spot on the line there. both programs seem to have an issue there
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You know one thing expose this year, there really is a lot of bad coaching going around : especially on the defensive side
 
TruCane81 said:
Exactly.

Not accounting for KNOWN limitations.

McCloud and Jennings only have one thing you can use them for due to their limited skills. That is to crash one gap. THAT IS ALL. They don’t have the skills to do anything else.

They were physical one gap thumpers in high school and that is all they are now. But now they are asked to play out of their skill set and they can’t even do that for watching and thinking.

If those two ever stepped on the field, all you can ask of them is to blow up their assigned gap as quickly as possible and hope they get lucky and run into the ball carrier or quarterback.

If deployed properly from the beginning, they might have the confidence to successfully intimidate offenses with their hitting, but that ship sailed long ago.
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I don't understand how are top tacklers happened to be safeties : where most teams the LB's are the leading tacklers
 
scrantoncane said:
The terrible angles do fall on the players. But the diagnosis of the scheme is no different than what many of us here have been saying for years.
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So I just rewatched the game AGAIN, to make sure I wasn’t in disbelief. This game was part players, but mostly on the staff. I blame the players for poor tackling form, but our DEs took themselves out dang near each play. The LBs flowed w the DEs crashing, and it was nothing but green on cut back lanes. By the time LBs & S’s reacted, they were too far out the play. So it wasn’t really bad angles, vs. our players completely out of position trying to rush up field & getting washed out each & every time.

Couple that w/ the unsuccessful delayed blitzes that UNC was prepared for, & what we saw was a bludgeoning. I also think having Searels & Mack Brown who saw first hand Diaz’s def at work for 3 yrs, up close & personal....which has not changed in philosophy, hurt us tremendously.
 
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