UM's Financial Commitment to Football??

What others here are to recruiting, Dapper is to subjects like this. :unconscious:

Thanks, Dapper. Good info as always. What are your thoughts on UM's football spending and the efficacy they get out of it??
 
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What other here are to recruiting, Dapper is to subjects like this. :unconscious:

Thanks, Dapper. Good info as always. What are your thoughts on UM's football spending and the efficacy they get out of it??

Among the worst in the country. I would have to check before I say they are the absolute worst, but it's certainly possible.
 
@DapperSlapper

(Don't wanna quote that, it's real long)

Title ix is bull**** IMO. I just don't see the equality of having half as many D1 men sports as female D1 sports.
Men's sports shouldn't be punished because Football is the real money maker, and requires so many players. Honestly, Football shouldn't even count under title ix. It should just have to do with all other sports.
 
Football spending for the 2013-2014 fiscal year:

Institution Name Total Expenses Men's Team and Women's Team
Appalachian State University $ 4,300,047.00
Arizona State University-Tempe $ 27,124,199.00
Arkansas State University-Main Campus $ 5,936,094.00
Auburn University $ 49,639,256.00
Ball State University $ 6,510,050.00
Baylor University $ 24,574,507.00
Boise State University $ 11,523,144.00
Boston College $ 19,920,330.00
Bowling Green State University-Main Campus $ 6,409,892.00
Brigham Young University-Provo $ 15,235,834.00
California State University-Fresno $ 10,322,556.00
Central Michigan University $ 5,872,226.00
Clemson University $ 24,748,157.00
Colorado State University-Fort Collins $ 12,037,107.00
Duke University $ 20,579,547.00
East Carolina University $ 9,880,494.00
Eastern Michigan University $ 6,303,928.00
Elon University $ 4,586,224.00
Florida Atlantic University $ 8,436,120.00
Florida International University $ 7,155,157.00
Florida State University $ 32,856,508.00
Georgia Institute of Technology-Main Campus $ 18,992,117.00
Georgia Southern University $ 4,346,976.00
Georgia State University $ 6,132,435.00
Indiana University-Bloomington $ 17,652,439.00
Iowa State University $ 14,461,263.00
Kansas State University $ 16,639,645.00
Kent State University at Kent $ 5,177,104.00
Louisiana State University and Agricultural & Mechanical College $ 37,857,120.00
Louisiana Tech University $ 6,019,967.00
Marshall University $ 8,251,837.00
Miami University-Oxford $ 7,188,385.00
Michigan State University $ 26,678,123.00
Middle Tennessee State University $ 9,040,369.00
Mississippi State University $ 15,302,574.00
New Mexico State University-Main Campus $ 7,007,906.00
North Carolina State University at Raleigh $ 17,988,989.00
Northern Illinois University $ 8,313,115.00
Northwestern University $ 22,642,960.00
Ohio State University-Main Campus $ 23,381,516.00
Ohio University-Main Campus $ 7,702,585.00
Oklahoma State University-Main Campus $ 22,228,460.00
Oregon State University $ 14,367,451.00
Pennsylvania State University-Main Campus $ 31,488,036.00
Purdue University-Main Campus $ 15,328,708.00
Rice University $ 11,542,483.00
Rutgers University-New Brunswick $ 19,218,208.00
San Diego State University $ 12,391,569.00
San Jose State University $ 6,668,473.00
Southern Methodist University $ 12,937,923.00
Stanford University $ 20,864,327.00
Syracuse University $ 23,622,247.00
Temple University $ 12,891,820.00
Texas A & M University-College Station $ 23,725,572.00
Texas Christian University $ 34,654,689.00
Texas State University $ 6,049,470.00
Texas Tech University $ 16,002,110.00
The University of Alabama $ 41,720,629.00
The University of Tennessee-Knoxville $ 21,670,088.00
The University of Texas at Austin $ 38,425,938.00
The University of Texas at El Paso $ 8,659,023.00
The University of Texas at San Antonio $ 7,263,147.00
Troy University $ 5,134,054.00
Tulane University of Louisiana $ 10,499,965.00
University at Buffalo $ 6,694,678.00
University of Akron Main Campus $ 6,759,147.00
University of Alabama at Birmingham $ 8,956,079.00
University of Arizona $ 28,202,470.00
University of Arkansas $ 28,074,698.00
University of California-Berkeley $ 22,176,917.00
University of California-Los Angeles $ 24,092,213.00
University of Central Florida $ 19,635,031.00
University of Cincinnati-Main Campus $ 14,564,560.00
University of Colorado Boulder $ 17,348,922.00
University of Connecticut $ 14,376,783.00
University of Florida $ 23,039,283.00
University of Georgia $ 27,246,515.00
University of Hawaii at Manoa $ 9,823,218.00
University of Houston $ 9,379,867.00
University of Idaho $ 5,889,940.00
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign $ 16,559,019.00
University of Iowa $ 24,134,459.00
University of Kansas $ 14,844,645.00
University of Kentucky $ 17,213,933.00
University of Louisiana at Lafayette $ 7,746,097.00
University of Louisiana at Monroe $ 4,106,583.00
University of Louisville $ 21,567,494.00
University of Maryland-College Park $ 15,398,021.00
University of Massachusetts-Amherst $ 7,820,867.00
University of Memphis $ 11,937,359.00
University of Miami $ 27,922,382.00
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor $ 26,755,732.00
University of Minnesota-Twin Cities $ 27,756,655.00
University of Mississippi $ 24,166,713.00
University of Missouri-Columbia $ 21,416,004.00
University of Nebraska-Lincoln $ 23,844,466.00
University of Nevada-Las Vegas $ 8,338,961.00
University of Nevada-Reno $ 6,297,515.00
University of New Mexico-Main Campus $ 8,025,004.00
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill $ 17,982,090.00
University of North Texas $ 7,325,765.00
University of Notre Dame $ 32,761,396.00
University of Oklahoma-Norman Campus $ 28,107,666.00
University of Oregon $ 18,227,805.00
University of Pittsburgh-Pittsburgh Campus $ 20,196,473.00
University of South Alabama $ 7,482,843.00
University of South Carolina-Columbia $ 26,103,039.00
University of South Florida-Main Campus $ 12,131,758.00
University of Southern California $ 30,275,084.00
University of Southern Mississippi $ 7,395,942.00
University of Toledo $ 7,393,246.00
University of Tulsa $ 10,008,201.00
University of Utah $ 16,139,584.00
University of Virginia-Main Campus $ 20,193,977.00
University of Washington-Seattle Campus $ 29,099,173.00
University of Wisconsin-Madison $ 31,282,929.00
University of Wyoming $ 7,513,395.00
Utah State University $ 6,273,541.00
Vanderbilt University $ 21,504,346.00
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University $ 22,394,865.00
Wagner College $ 3,171,942.00
Wake Forest University $ 18,690,208.00
Washington State University $ 15,711,437.00
West Virginia University $ 16,981,457.00
Western Kentucky University $ 7,786,215.00
Western Michigan University $ 7,335,761.00
 
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Football spending for every school for the 2013-2014 fiscal year:

Institution Name
Appalachian State University4300047
Arizona State University-Tempe27124199
Arkansas State University-Main Campus5936094
Auburn University49639256
Ball State University6510050
Baylor University24574507
Boise State University11523144
Boston College19920330
Bowling Green State University-Main Campus6409892
Brigham Young University-Provo15235834
California State University-Fresno10322556
Central Michigan University5872226
Clemson University24748157
Colorado State University-Fort Collins12037107
Duke University20579547
East Carolina University9880494
Eastern Michigan University6303928
Elon University4586224
Florida Atlantic University8436120
Florida International University7155157
Florida State University32856508
Georgia Institute of Technology-Main Campus18992117
Georgia Southern University4346976
Georgia State University6132435
Indiana University-Bloomington17652439
Iowa State University14461263
Kansas State University16639645
Kent State University at Kent5177104
Louisiana State University and Agricultural & Mechanical College37857120
Louisiana Tech University6019967
Marshall University8251837
Miami University-Oxford7188385
Michigan State University26678123
Middle Tennessee State University9040369
Mississippi State University15302574
New Mexico State University-Main Campus7007906
North Carolina State University at Raleigh17988989
Northern Illinois University8313115
Northwestern University22642960
Ohio State University-Main Campus23381516
Ohio University-Main Campus7702585
Oklahoma State University-Main Campus22228460
Oregon State University14367451
Pennsylvania State University-Main Campus31488036
Purdue University-Main Campus15328708
Rice University11542483
Rutgers University-New Brunswick19218208
San Diego State University12391569
San Jose State University6668473
Southern Methodist University12937923
Stanford University20864327
Syracuse University23622247
Temple University12891820
Texas A & M University-College Station23725572
Texas Christian University34654689
Texas State University6049470
Texas Tech University16002110
The University of Alabama41720629
The University of Tennessee-Knoxville21670088
The University of Texas at Austin38425938
The University of Texas at El Paso8659023
The University of Texas at San Antonio7263147
Troy University5134054
Tulane University of Louisiana10499965
University at Buffalo6694678
University of Akron Main Campus6759147
University of Alabama at Birmingham8956079
University of Arizona28202470
University of Arkansas28074698
University of California-Berkeley22176917
University of California-Los Angeles24092213
University of Central Florida19635031
University of Cincinnati-Main Campus14564560
University of Colorado Boulder17348922
University of Connecticut14376783
University of Florida23039283
University of Georgia27246515
University of Hawaii at Manoa9823218
University of Houston9379867
University of Idaho5889940
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign16559019
University of Iowa24134459
University of Kansas14844645
University of Kentucky17213933
University of Louisiana at Lafayette7746097
University of Louisiana at Monroe4106583
University of Louisville21567494
University of Maryland-College Park15398021
University of Massachusetts-Amherst7820867
University of Memphis11937359
University of Miami27922382
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor26755732
University of Minnesota-Twin Cities27756655
University of Mississippi24166713
University of Missouri-Columbia21416004
University of Nebraska-Lincoln23844466
University of Nevada-Las Vegas8338961
University of Nevada-Reno6297515
University of New Mexico-Main Campus8025004
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill17982090
University of North Texas7325765
University of Notre Dame32761396
University of Oklahoma-Norman Campus28107666
University of Oregon18227805
University of Pittsburgh-Pittsburgh Campus20196473
University of South Alabama7482843
University of South Carolina-Columbia26103039
University of South Florida-Main Campus12131758
University of Southern California30275084
University of Southern Mississippi7395942
University of Toledo7393246
University of Tulsa10008201
University of Utah16139584
University of Virginia-Main Campus20193977
University of Washington-Seattle Campus29099173
University of Wisconsin-Madison31282929
University of Wyoming7513395
Utah State University6273541
Vanderbilt University21504346
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University22394865
Wagner College3171942
Wake Forest University18690208
Washington State University15711437
West Virginia University16981457
Western Kentucky University7786215
Western Michigan University7335761

Source?
 
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These figures are useless. First, something might be reported as a direct football expense at one school and yet not at another - i.e. significant utility expenses for stadium/facilities, groundskeeping, etc. Along this line, a fair number of schools, especially in the SEC, also run their athletic programs throughout outside non-profit corporations. Then, throw in the skewed cost of scholarships, which isn't real money.

Miami list an expense, alone, of $16.2 mill for student-athlete costs/scholarships. Yet Boston College, where the cost of a scholarship is equal or higher to Miami, list all of its football expenses as only 19.9 mill. Stanford list all its football expenses as only 20.8 mill.

Alabama (41.7 mill) and Auburn (49.6 mill) list football expenses that are more than double the amount spent by Ohio State (23.3 mill), Fla (23 mill) Tenn (21.6 mill), Miss St (15.3 mill) . . . don't think so.

This is an exercise universities are required to do for the federal government, but other than the basic reporting is very misleading.
 
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Isnt notre dame out here sucking that NBC nipple ....cant compete with that at the moment
If this team brought in more money this wouldn't be a huge issue , still a semi issue because we're cheap ...but you can be competitively frugal and successful. ...but that would require a competent administration. .which do not have
 
Title 9 is such a drain on athletic budgets. It's the anchor that mires things in one place and prevents the self sustaining sports from maximizing their potential.
 
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Great stuff as always, Dapper.

UM is spending $28 million this year, they are right up there on that list. We should be getting more bang for the buck.


Oh and TCU at $35 million. Wow.
 
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Financial commitment to football? Trick question, right?
 
I don't believe those numbers are anywhere near truthful, but if they were, we would be the worst-run athletic department in the country for having spent that much money on a sub par football program. Eesh.
 
Credit to sfcane2 with the info.


UM spends ~$18 million a year on its football program. That is top 10% of D1 universities. Its not as much as Ohio State, ND, Alabama, LSU and a few others but its the same about of money as UGA, Tenn, USC, and many other successful football programs. So my questions are: Why does UM seem to under-pay its assistants, why do they prefer to only offer an entry level pay structure for new head coaches and most importantly, why does UM always seem to get less for their money than other programs??


Interestingly, its my understanding that the Athletic Department is charged full boat UM tuition for every athletic scholarship. Tuition is $45K a year for UM, that means that the Athletic Department has to pay the University $3.825 million dollars every year for its football team. Lets use UGA as a comparison. Annual tuition & fees at UGA is $15K. So assuming that UGA charges their athletic department full boat, that's only $1.275 million a year. That gives UGA a $2.5 million advantage over UM. ****, that equates to TWO very highly qualified coordinator salaries.

To quote the great American philosopher Medley - "UM is a mom and pop operation."


I think they're counting the rent we pay to Sun Life Stadium in that $18 million figure.

You gotta keep in mind that 99% of universities own their own stadiums, so they don't have this added cost.
 
private school.. I dont think you will find true numbers. To me its pretty clear the school does not have near the same money as other school do. Think of ticket sales alone. Some schools can charge 30k just to be on some list that allows you to get premium tix. Some have 100k avg attendance per year.

You can see it. Golden would be gone at most big schools. Miami does not have the money others do. Does not help when you have caustic fans that refuse to buy anything. Thats part of the reason Golden is still here.
 
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@DapperSlapper

(Don't wanna quote that, it's real long)

Title ix is bull**** IMO. I just don't see the equality of having half as many D1 men sports as female D1 sports.
Men's sports shouldn't be punished because Football is the real money maker, and requires so many players. Honestly, Football shouldn't even count under title ix. It should just have to do with all other sports.

You're not alone, but it's completely irrelevant. Title IX exists so you have to comply, just as every other program does. More importantly, you need to adjust so you can properly fund the football program to keep it in the upper echelon.
 
Those numbers are not close to accurate. Miami spent very near $28,000,000 on football in the fiscal year that ended 5/31/2014.

Ohio State spent $23,300,000 on football in the fiscal year that ended 6/30/2014.

Alabama spent $41,700,000 on football in the fiscal year that ended 6/30/2014.

Always go with Dapper.
 
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I don't believe those numbers are anywhere near truthful, but if they were, we would be the worst-run athletic department in the country for having spent that much money on a sub par football program. Eesh.

Have you seen a school do more with less?
 
private school.. I dont think you will find true numbers. To me its pretty clear the school does not have near the same money as other school do. Think of ticket sales alone. Some schools can charge 30k just to be on some list that allows you to get premium tix. Some have 100k avg attendance per year.

You can see it. Golden would be gone at most big schools. Miami does not have the money others do. Does not help when you have caustic fans that refuse to buy anything. Thats part of the reason Golden is still here.

Is this Potato?
 
@DapperSlapper

(Don't wanna quote that, it's real long)

Title ix is bull**** IMO. I just don't see the equality of having half as many D1 men sports as female D1 sports.
Men's sports shouldn't be punished because Football is the real money maker, and requires so many players. Honestly, Football shouldn't even count under title ix. It should just have to do with all other sports.

You're not alone, but it's completely irrelevant. Title IX exists so you have to comply, just as every other program does. More importantly, you need to adjust so you can properly fund the football program to keep it in the upper echelon.

But it's easier for a really big school to comply with Title IX, because if they have an enormous athletic program, they've got a big enough student body to have lots and lots of different sports.
 
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