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Relationships matter! Mario will greatly benefit from this decision. Sometimes young men make financial decisions when choosing schools they really didn’t want to sign with. Collect the bag, maintain good academic standings and see you next year in Coral Gables.

This creates a new recruiting angle and something the Miami staff can surely take advantage of. Imo
 
Kids with NIL deals are unlikely to transfer as the deal is unlikely to transfer with them. Most businesses need local, and maybe regional, marketing. Leaving UM and transferring to Syracuse or Arizona State is not going to help a business in Miami so I would expect the NIL deal to terminate upon the transfer.
 
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Rellyrell said:
I’ll wait for u to give us all an example of a coach that left a stop after a year, not once, but 3 times in a 4 yr window.

Let’s talk about coaches leaving, since this is a narrative that’s taken on a life of its own.

-Mario (2022-Miami)
Left after staying at UO for 4 yrs

-Riley (2022-USC)
Left after staying at OU for 5 yrs

-Napier (2022-UF)
Left after staying at ULL for 4 yrs

-Taggart (2018-FSU / 2017-UO)
Left after staying at USF for 4 yrs
Left after UO for one yr
Fired after 2 yrs at FSU
Current at FAU for 3 yrs

-Kiffin (Current Ole Miss)
Left UTK after one yr
Fired after 3.5 yrs at USC
Left FAU after 3 yrs

Who are the most successful coaches?
Dabo - Clemson (13 yrs)
Saban - Bama (16 yrs)
Smart - UGA (7 yrs)
Day - OSU (4 yrs)
Gundy - OKSt (17 yrs)

The majority of coaches stay at their post for 4 yrs+, and that includes being at G5 programs before moving up in the ranks. I’m not sure when this narrative started taking on a life of its own, but comparing coaches to what these collegiate students are doing is a disingenuous comparison. Furthermore, the recent examples of coaches bailing on a P5 program after only a season for greener pastures led to them being led out to pasture.
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I’m not arguing that head coaches are leaving their jobs after 1 year. These people are in their careers and understand you can’t always bounce after 1 year. They are also being paid millions for their services. College athletes have a much smaller window to maximize their earning potential as a collegiate athlete. Didn’t we have a position coach (lb I think) that didn’t even make it to the season? It’s not a narrative, it’s just the truth.
 
Canes Stan said:
I’m not arguing that head coaches are leaving their jobs after 1 year. These people are in their careers and understand you can’t always bounce after 1 year. They are also being paid millions for their services. College athletes have a much smaller window to maximize their earning potential as a collegiate athlete. Didn’t we have a position coach (lb I think) that didn’t even make it to the season? It’s not a narrative, it’s just the truth.
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My brotha, that’s changing the narrative. Lol

U’re comparing a position coach to a HC. Yes, a position coach is important, but they don’t have the weight of a HC. It’s no different than a 5 or 4 star recruit getting paid bags while the 3 & below star recruits r happy to get a scholarship ride.

Listen; here’s y coaches get paid millions: the greater majority of them paid their dues, going through the ranks to get a HC job. None of them started w/ the salaries they’re making; based upon tangible results yr after yr that includes getting boosters on board, winning, PR mgmt, getting players drafted, managing roster turnover, etc etc at a high level which yields value, then & only then do these coaches start making $. Part of their job is to help these young men & women be put in position to make or earn more $$ than them in their professional lives. That’s part of the recruiting pitch.

NIL is something I’ve wanted b4 NIL was a thing, meaning players getting compensated when schools or other outside entities are using said players’ NIL to profit. I was in disbelief when I found out all those Reggie Bush #5 jerseys sold in the student store or Nike Town didn’t go to his pockets in some way. So yeah, I’m on board w/ NIL, I’m even on board w/ a student being able to transfer. However, what we have now is not even comparable to PROFESSIONAL sports regarding NIL or the transfer portal, so how in tf does that make sense? LMAO

I think ppl keep forgetting the amount of resources these schools invest in student athletes; it’s why myself @RVACane don’t even agree w/ the disrespect of schools who have put in time & effort to recruit a kid. I’m sorry boss, I respectfully disagree w/ ur premise, my g.
 
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Tony4Miami said:
But he didn’t say HC. How about OC/DC or position coaches? Players develop close relationships with them and they leave after 1-2 years.
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No one think “coach” as a position coach, bruh bruh. Lol. This whole narrative came up w/ Lincoln Riley left OU & the way he did for USC. Come on champ. I’m not saying position coaches r not important, b/c they r, but we all know it’s the HC that drives the ship.
 
Tony4Miami said:
Chad Morris was first coach I thought

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Chad Morris:
4 yrs as an OC at the P5 level
Gets a HC opportunity at SMU (G5)
-OK, let’s stop right here: if we were to compare just this part of the narrative, that would mean a P5 player would need to transfer to a G5 program, correct?

OK, let’s move on:
Served as a HC at the G5 level for 3 yrs
Gets Hired at Arkansas (fired)
Goes to Auburn b/c of friendship (fired)

Now? An analyst

Lol
 
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Tony4Miami said:
Scot Loeffler. Current BG HC.

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Again, lol

Loeffler:
QB coach at G5 program for 2 yrs
Goes back to Alma Mater for 6 yrs
Moves on to NFL (HC gets fired, Scott goes back to college ranks)

OK, let’s pause this example right here. So basically, this is equivalent to a G5 kid moving up the ranks to improve their draft stock by playing better competition. Nothing wrong w/ that.

Let’s move on:
-Goes to UF for 2 yrs under Meyer. (Meyer leaves, new coaching staff doesn’t retain him)
-Goes back to the G5 level for a yr, b4 going to Auburn. (Chizick gets fired & new staff doesn’t retain him)

Let’s pause again: Do u see the trend? Again, if a kid is committed to a HC & said HC leaves, I have no issues w/ that. It’s why I had no issues w/ OU players or UO players bouncing. There’s a lot of uncertainty that’s associated w/ that, & u’re using a position coach to highlight this.

Moving on:
-Goes to VT for 3 yrs (The fans call for his head. Frank Beamer retires, Fuente doesn’t retain him)
-Goes to BC for 3 yrs before FINALLY getting a HC opportunity at the G5 level.

Lol. So, if we’re going to use this example, then I guess P5 kids, when transferring, need to drop to a G5 level, just to earn their way back to a P5 level, right? Or, they should be able to be dropped any time a new staff comes in. Lol

Come on my g.
 
Rellyrell said:
Again, lol

Loeffler:
QB coach at G5 program for 2 yrs
Goes back to Alma Mater for 6 yrs
Moves on to NFL (HC gets fired, Scott goes back to college ranks)

OK, let’s pause this example right here. So basically, this is equivalent to a G5 kid moving up the ranks to improve their draft stock by playing better competition. Nothing wrong w/ that.

Let’s move on:
-Goes to UF for 2 yrs under Meyer. (Meyer leaves, new coaching staff doesn’t retain him)
-Goes back to the G5 level for a yr, b4 going to Auburn. (Chizick gets fired & new staff doesn’t retain him)

Let’s pause again: Do u see the trend? Again, if a kid is committed to a HC & said HC leaves, I have no issues w/ that. It’s why I had no issues w/ OU players or UO players bouncing. There’s a lot of uncertainty that’s associated w/ that, & u’re using a position coach to highlight this.

Moving on:
-Goes to VT for 3 yrs (The fans call for his head. Frank Beamer retires, Fuente doesn’t retain him)
-Goes to BC for 3 yrs before FINALLY getting a HC opportunity at the G5 level.

Lol. So, if we’re going to use this example, then I guess P5 kids, when transferring, need to drop to a G5 level, just to earn their way back to a P5 level, right? Or, they should be able to be dropped any time a new staff comes in. Lol

Come on my g.
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I was just trying to think of Coaches bouncing around. I am sure more examples of Coaches moving around not by choice. With attrition happening more and more now, we will definitely see players bouncing around to more than two schools.
 
Tony4Miami said:
I was just trying to think of Coaches bouncing around
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I feel u bro, but even in these examples, these coaches bounced around b/c of circumstances, u feel me? Either they were fired, let go, the HC they were under left, or they moved on from a G5 gig to a P5 gig.

OK; I’ve been a big proponent that if a kid has a HC that bounced on them, they have every right to leave, 100% on that. I have zero issues if a kid is at a FCS or G5 school & wants to improve their stock value due to better competition, absolutely. If a kid is buried on the bench by yr 3, knowing they only have 1 or 2 yrs left to put out film; let’s get it. However, playing hop scotch from school to school for any reason? Man, I’m not w/ that bro. We rarely, if ever, see that at the coaching level, either. The two examples I can think of regarding coaches who made lateral moves at the P5 level after one yr, ended up in disaster. Both had to drop down a level b4 earning their way back (And Taggart is still a level below). A coordinator getting an opportunity to become a HC after paying his dues is equivalent to a College Kid getting drafted for paying their dues.

To me, if I’m a NFL scout, a player that’s been at more than two schools in a 4 yr period is a big red flag & Imma throughly investigate them, & that would be one of my 1st questions 4 them.
 
Canes Stan said:
Coaches can leave jobs umm-limited amount of times
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The poaching is going to suck for some schools. A kid that transfers 4 times comes off like a biotch to me. Im sure there could be valid reasons to transfer 4 times, just not coming to mind now;)
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
Ummm have you ever seen their contracts? They absolutely cannot just bounce when they want to.
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Assistants bounce all the time after a year. Generally it is for promotions. Head coaches want to build a program right? It doesn't benefit them to bounce annually.
 
Maybe someone can remind me. Basically right now some guys are moving to three different schools counting JUCO. If he is going JUCO route it is to help with grades. He tears it up there, gets his P5 offer. Something happens and enters portal. Well, guess that would be his one time transfer exception. Never mind. Lol
 
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imurcane said:
Assistants bounce all the time after a year. Generally it is for promotions. Head coaches want to build a program right? It doesn't benefit them to bounce annually.
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Agreed. The argument was well coaches can leave when they want. Yes with a buyout in most cases. So should the players have to pay a buyout if they transfer? Have to repay scholarship money?

If we are going based off well coaches can do what they want. Then lets do it across the board.
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
Agreed. The argument was well coaches can leave when they want. Yes with a buyout in most cases. So should the players have to pay a buyout if they transfer? Have to repay scholarship money?

If we are going based off well coaches can do what they want. Then lets do it across the board.
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The buy outs vary from coach to coach. Players have not had to repay their scholarship money and they shouldn't have to. They performed on their one year scholarship. Did you know the scholarships are annual? No 4 year rides. A lot of one year schoolies renewed 2-3-4 times. (bc of covid or injury) Not everyone knows that.
 
imurcane said:
The buy outs vary from coach to coach. Players have not had to repay their scholarship money and they shouldn't have to. They performed on their one year scholarship. Did you know the scholarships are annual? No 4 year rides. A lot of one year schoolies renewed 2-3-4 times. (bc of covid or injury) Not everyone knows that.
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Yea i know. I was saying repay the scholarship money you have used. Im not even saying i think that should happen.

I just hate the argument that the coaches can leave when it comes to the tranfer conversation. If thats your argument then be consistent with it.
 
I think what might be underestimated here in relation to the marquee kids is the potential for NIL deals to actually have bite. A kid might take a real financial hit and/or be rendered unable to sign any new deals at new schools if he signed a strongly worded deal at the previous school.

I also think this might be where the pendulum swings a little back toward the institutions and away from player empowerment both in the legal system and with public opinion. A signed deal is much easier for a court to favor and a signed contract is something fans like to impose their own (often faux) "ethics" upon in saying it needs to be honored or enforced.
 
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