Uh oh James Franklin

[umfire]

BigTip, there is literally no way Golden will be fired this year. Will not happen, even if we go 5-7. Coach D? Definitely a possibility, but Golden will be here next year for better or worse

That not I disagree with you, but can you please explain your logic behind this? 5-7 should get anybody fired and you make it seem that even D'Onofrio wont be going anywhere.

The administration, from everything I've heard, are big fans of Golden -- less so of Coach D. They appreciate the fact that he stuck with Miami even after the scandal stuff happened, stuff which should have been disclosed to Golden before he was hired but was not. He has improved the team's record every year (and yes I know there are criticisms to be made of looking at just the raw data like that) and the administration gave him a deal through 2020 only last year -- that's a hefty *** buyout. He also graduates players, keeps UM out of the police beat, and is unquestionably adding talent to the roster. I can see
the the administration, if the wheels fall off this season, forcing Golden's hand and forcing
him to kick out Coach D ... but I can't see any scenario that ends with Golden being fired before the end of the 2015/16 season


Shannon and Golden's tenure have been defined by a completely different set of dynamics

A poster in the WEZ said that because of Golden's handling of the Penn State situation this isn't necessarily true.

Only the ignorant don't understand what happened during that whole Ped St. debacle.

AG was groveling for the job and got punked.

You can label me whatever you want but it doesn't change the fact that Golden's seat is not even close to warm and waiting for Butch Daivs to walk through the Hecht doors is going to be a long and unsatisfying affair

 

[sebastian91]

Not only that, but he went dark and didn't take anyone's calls. His players, recruits or the AD.

He handled it like a ******* coward and ****ed off the admin in the process.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...nn-state-job-miami-report-joe-paterno-big-ten

http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/01/08/3859111/miami-hurricanes-athletic-director.html

Try again.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

BigTip, there is literally no way Golden will be fired this year. Will not happen, even if we go 5-7. Coach D? Definitely a possibility, but Golden will be here next year for better or worse

That not I disagree with you, but can you please explain your logic behind this? 5-7 should get anybody fired and you make it seem that even D'Onofrio wont be going anywhere.

The administration, from everything I've heard, are big fans of Golden -- less so of Coach D. They appreciate the fact that he stuck with Miami even after the scandal stuff happened, stuff which should have been disclosed to Golden before he was hired but was not. He has improved the team's record every year (and yes I know there are criticisms to be made of looking at just the raw data like that) and the administration gave him a deal through 2020 only last year -- that's a hefty *** buyout. He also graduates players, keeps UM out of the police beat, and is unquestionably adding talent to the roster. I can see
the the administration, if the wheels fall off this season, forcing Golden's hand and forcing
him to kick out Coach D ... but I can't see any scenario that ends with Golden being fired before the end of the 2015/16 season


Shannon and Golden's tenure have been defined by a completely different set of dynamics

Well reasoned.

I heard that all of the goodwill that Golden had with the administration went out the window with his Penn State flirtations. At the very least he burned up some of the affection he had with the higher ups at the school. I also heard a completely unsubstantiated rumor that his keeping of D'Onofrio this year is what really may have fast forwarded his clock where failure this year gets him the ax. The buyout you mentioned is the only reason I think that they would keep him if the season goes south. Shannon did nearly all the pros you mentioned while pulling in weaker recruits than Golden. Different dynamics aside, it will still look racist.

I don't know how the season will play out. If it's an ugly 7-5 or worse, I don't know how the administration will keep Golden even with all the pros you mentioned. The fans will be calling for blood and D'Onofrio alone wont satisfy them especially with some fans begging for Butch or Chud. Golden's honeymoon with the school ended, but you make a strong case that it will be a 50-50 toss up that he'll get fired if, and only if, this season is a blunder.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Not only that, but he went dark and didn't take anyone's calls. His players, recruits or the AD.

He handled it like a ****ing coward and ****ed off the admin in the process.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...nn-state-job-miami-report-joe-paterno-big-ten

Try again.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-01-06/sports/45885472_1_al-golden-brett-senior-bill-o-brien

And yet on the 4th Donna said, "We don't know anything yet." So much for constant communication. What's Blake James going to say? "Our head football coach is leaving us at the altar and we look incompetent?"

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

That not I disagree with you, but can you please explain your logic behind this? 5-7 should get anybody fired and you make it seem that even D'Onofrio wont be going anywhere.

The administration, from everything I've heard, are big fans of Golden -- less so of Coach D. They appreciate the fact that he stuck with Miami even after the scandal stuff happened, stuff which should have been disclosed to Golden before he was hired but was not. He has improved the team's record every year (and yes I know there are criticisms to be made of looking at just the raw data like that) and the administration gave him a deal through 2020 only last year -- that's a hefty *** buyout. He also graduates players, keeps UM out of the police beat, and is unquestionably adding talent to the roster. I can see
the the administration, if the wheels fall off this season, forcing Golden's hand and forcing
him to kick out Coach D ... but I can't see any scenario that ends with Golden being fired before the end of the 2015/16 season


Shannon and Golden's tenure have been defined by a completely different set of dynamics

A poster in the WEZ said that because of Golden's handling of the Penn State situation this isn't necessarily true.

Only the ignorant don't understand what happened during that whole Ped St. debacle.

AG was groveling for the job and got punked.

You can label me whatever you want but it doesn't change the fact that Golden's seat is not even close to warm and waiting for Butch Daivs to walk through the Hecht doors is going to be a long and unsatisfying affair

The return of Butch Davis is a separate issue, but to say Golden's seat isn't even warm is inaccurate. Keeping D'Onofrio alone heats it up.

 

[sebastian91]

Not only that, but he went dark and didn't take anyone's calls. His players, recruits or the AD.

He handled it like a ****ing coward and ****ed off the admin in the process.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...nn-state-job-miami-report-joe-paterno-big-ten

Try again.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-01-06/sports/45885472_1_al-golden-brett-senior-bill-o-brien

And yet on the 4th Donna said, "We don't know anything yet." So much for constant communication. What's Blake James going to say? "Our head football coach is leaving us at the altar and we look incompetent?"

What was she going to know at that point? Even if she did know something, she wouldn't have texted it out to anyone. The AD said more than once that he was in constant contact with AG. I don't know what more anyone would want.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

BigTip, there is literally no way Golden will be fired this year. Will not happen, even if we go 5-7. Coach D? Definitely a possibility, but Golden will be here next year for better or worse

You are probably right, but if he goes 7-5 or worse and doesn't get fired **** could get pretty ugly. The cries of racism would be deafening.

That's what I was wondering. Being considered racist in Miami is the last thing the university needs.

This just sounds ridiculous. I can see Luke crying about it on his blog but most rational folk would know results were achieved under different circumstances from one another.
Shannon was promoted from within, was familiar with the players, kept the same systems so no learning curve needed, didn't have to deal with a NCAA investigation for 3 years or anything of the sorts, had shoddy recruiting classes the previous 2 classes before he was fired and was on track for another lackluster 2011 class, entered the 2010 season with a veteran QB and solid talent and proceeded to go 7-6 losing culminating with an embarrassing loss at home to FSU.

Compare that to the circumstances Golden dealt with.
Had to start from scratch with no familiarity with the players, implemented new schemes which require a learning curve, was blindsided by Shapiro allegations and subsequent 3 year NCAA investigation which had far reaching effects on player and staff moral, recruiting, etc. Showed excellent leadership and was a great representative of UM through all of this. Has built up good will among the local HS coaching community through camps and other relationship building events, hauled by all indications his best recruiting class is entering his 4th year with a QB that has never taken a snap in a college game.

Comparing the 2 circumstances only a true racist with an agenda like Luke would cry racism if Golden goes 7-5 and isn't fired.

So stop with the ridiculousness already. Pulling the race card is a sign of desperation.
Besides it will set back efforts of hiring black coaches as School leaders would begin to wonder if hiring black coaches is worth dealing with the racism claims by those who feel some sort of social injustice if they ever ended up firing a black coach.

It's not always the accurate opinion that gets the most attention. Aren't you the same guy saying in the Donald Sterling thread that while what he said wasn't wrong, it will still look unfavorably? How is that different from this hypothetical situation?

As far as comparing Randy to Golden, all your compliments of Golden are mostly off field and NCAA related. He handled the NCAA scandal with class and dignity and was invaluable during the entire episode. Kudos to him. That doesn't win games. Did it hurt him in terms of recruiting? Of course it did, yet he was still pulling top 15 classes after the 2011 class he had to hustle in a month. Are we a top 15 team so far? No. His hand selected QB hasn't taken a snap? That's rough, yet he has a year in the system and should be developed into a quality player but no one feels comfortable with him at the helm. Is it because he goofed off? Who's job is it to keep him in line and focus? The head coach.

I'm not a Randy Shannon coach fan at all, but you point out that Golden has an advantage over him in every facet of coaching including recruiting. Golden has brought in better players than Randy, in spite of the NCAA, and nobody is debating that. Yet we are following the exact same template that Shannon followed against similarly weak schedules.

I still argue about whether Golden has a strong relationship with the South Florida community. He apparently doesn't have ones with American Heritage, Champagnant, Dwyer, etc..

But this is all irrelevant to the point I was trying to make. Like it or not, Uncle Luke wields a lot of influence in the community. When he speaks, the city listens. If he starts depicting us as racist, however extremely inaccurate that statement may be, it is going to hurt us. It's all about perception in Miami. Being considered racist will hurt us a lot more than any NCAA cloud did.

I recognize that Randy and Golden had different situations. I also stand by my statement that Golden should be fired if he goes 7-5 or worse and doesn't win the Coastal and I don't think that for racial reasons. I'm not pulling any race card, but influential people with loud voices will if this situation arises. Don't confuse my worrying about how a racist tag will affect the school with thinking that it deserves a racist moniker. If Golden stumbles this year, he should be fired based on his win-loss record, not because his Black predecessor had the same record trend under easier circumstances. But as you and I have discussed for three threads now, this is Golden's year to prove that he will rise to a 10 win season and win the Coastal and you are of the opinion that he will do just that.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Not only that, but he went dark and didn't take anyone's calls. His players, recruits or the AD.

He handled it like a ****ing coward and ****ed off the admin in the process.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...nn-state-job-miami-report-joe-paterno-big-ten

Try again.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-01-06/sports/45885472_1_al-golden-brett-senior-bill-o-brien

And yet on the 4th Donna said, "We don't know anything yet." So much for constant communication. What's Blake James going to say? "Our head football coach is leaving us at the altar and we look incompetent?"

What was she going to know at that point? Even if she did know something, she wouldn't have texted it out to anyone. The AD said more than once that he was in constant contact with AG. I don't know what more anyone would want.

So James was talking with Golden regularly because he said so but Donna was either completely in the dark or lying because she couldn't divulge any secrets while James was? I doubt it.

And if Donna's word isn't good enough for you, the players and recruits all came out and said that Golden wasn't returning their phone calls. The mods on this site have also echoed the sentiment that Golden was praying for the Penn State job and when he showed up at his end of the year press conference looking and acting depressed it confirmed the point that he had been rejected by his alma mater.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

That not I disagree with you, but can you please explain your logic behind this? 5-7 should get anybody fired and you make it seem that even D'Onofrio wont be going anywhere.

The administration, from everything I've heard, are big fans of Golden -- less so of Coach D. They appreciate the fact that he stuck with Miami even after the scandal stuff happened, stuff which should have been disclosed to Golden before he was hired but was not. He has improved the team's record every year (and yes I know there are criticisms to be made of looking at just the raw data like that) and the administration gave him a deal through 2020 only last year -- that's a hefty *** buyout. He also graduates players, keeps UM out of the police beat, and is unquestionably adding talent to the roster. I can see
the the administration, if the wheels fall off this season, forcing Golden's hand and forcing
him to kick out Coach D ... but I can't see any scenario that ends with Golden being fired before the end of the 2015/16 season


Shannon and Golden's tenure have been defined by a completely different set of dynamics

A poster in the WEZ said that because of Golden's handling of the Penn State situation this isn't necessarily true.

Only the ignorant don't understand what happened during that whole Ped St. debacle.

AG was groveling for the job and got punked.

You can label me whatever you want but it doesn't change the fact that Golden's seat is not even close to warm and waiting for Butch Daivs to walk through the Hecht doors is going to be a long and unsatisfying affair

You sound like a female.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Not only that, but he went dark and didn't take anyone's calls. His players, recruits or the AD.

He handled it like a ****ing coward and ****ed off the admin in the process.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...nn-state-job-miami-report-joe-paterno-big-ten

Try again.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-01-06/sports/45885472_1_al-golden-brett-senior-bill-o-brien

And yet on the 4th Donna said, "We don't know anything yet." So much for constant communication. What's Blake James going to say? "Our head football coach is leaving us at the altar and we look incompetent?"

What was she going to know at that point? Even if she did know something, she wouldn't have texted it out to anyone. The AD said more than once that he was in constant contact with AG. I don't know what more anyone would want.

Do you have any idea how crazy that sounds?


I want to see AG holding a press conference on the first day that the rumors went public.

I want to see him go in front of the cameras right then and say that he is 100% committed to Miami.


He didn't even come anywhere close to that. The master of public relations didn't even send out a tweet, facebook update, youtube vid, nada.

He gave us pure silence.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

BigTip, there is literally no way Golden will be fired this year. Will not happen, even if we go 5-7. Coach D? Definitely a possibility, but Golden will be here next year for better or worse

You are probably right, but if he goes 7-5 or worse and doesn't get fired **** could get pretty ugly. The cries of racism would be deafening.

That's what I was wondering. Being considered racist in Miami is the last thing the university needs.

This just sounds ridiculous. I can see Luke crying about it on his blog but most rational folk would know results were achieved under different circumstances from one another.
Shannon was promoted from within, was familiar with the players, kept the same systems so no learning curve needed, didn't have to deal with a NCAA investigation for 3 years or anything of the sorts, had shoddy recruiting classes the previous 2 classes before he was fired and was on track for another lackluster 2011 class, entered the 2010 season with a veteran QB and solid talent and proceeded to go 7-6 losing culminating with an embarrassing loss at home to FSU.

Compare that to the circumstances Golden dealt with.
Had to start from scratch with no familiarity with the players, implemented new schemes which require a learning curve, was blindsided by Shapiro allegations and subsequent 3 year NCAA investigation which had far reaching effects on player and staff moral, recruiting, etc. Showed excellent leadership and was a great representative of UM through all of this. Has built up good will among the local HS coaching community through camps and other relationship building events, hauled by all indications his best recruiting class is entering his 4th year with a QB that has never taken a snap in a college game.

Comparing the 2 circumstances only a true racist with an agenda like Luke would cry racism if Golden goes 7-5 and isn't fired.

So stop with the ridiculousness already. Pulling the race card is a sign of desperation.
Besides it will set back efforts of hiring black coaches as School leaders would begin to wonder if hiring black coaches is worth dealing with the racism claims by those who feel some sort of social injustice if they ever ended up firing a black coach.

It's not always the accurate opinion that gets the most attention. Aren't you the same guy saying in the Donald Sterling thread that while what he said wasn't wrong, it will still look unfavorably? How is that different from this hypothetical situation?

As far as comparing Randy to Golden, all your compliments of Golden are mostly off field and NCAA related. He handled to the NCAA scandal with class and dignity and was invaluable during the entire episode. Kudos to him. That doesn't win games. Did it hurt him in terms of recruiting? Of course it did, yet he was still pulling top 15 classes after the 2011 class he had to hustle in a hurry. Are we a top 15 team so far? No. His hand selected QB hasn't taken a snap? That's rough, yet he has a year in the system and should be developed into a quality player but no one feels comfortable with him at the helm. Is it because he goofed off? Who's job is it to keep him in line and focus? The head coach.

I'm not a Randy Shannon coach fan at all, but you point out that Golden has an advantage over him in every facet of coaching including recruiting. Golden has brought in better players than Randy, in spite of the NCAA, and nobody is debating that. Yet we are following the exact same template that Shannon followed against similarly weak schedules.

I still argue about whether Golden has a strong relationship with the South Florida community. He apparently doesn't have ones with American Heritage, Champagnant, Dwyer, etc..

But this all irrelevant to the point I was trying to make. Like it or not, Uncle Luke wields a lot of influence in the community. When he speaks, the city listens. If he starts depicting us as racist, however extremely inaccurate that statement may be, it is going to hurt us. It's all about perception in Miami. Being called racist will hurt us a lot more than any NCAA cloud did.

I recognize that Randy and Golden had different situations. I also stand by my statement that Golden should be fired if he goes 7-5 or worse and doesn't win the Coastal and I don't think that for racial reasons. I'm not pulling any race card, but influential people with loud voices will if this situation arises. Don't confuse my worrying about how a racist tag will affect the school with thinking that it deserves a racist moniker. If Golden stumbles this year, he should be fired based on his win-loss record, not that his Black predecessor had the same record trend under easier circumstances. But as you and I have discussed for three threads now, this is Golden's year to prove that he will rise to a 10 win season and win the Coastal and you are of the opinion that he will do just that.

I didn't say that you thought a racist moniker would be deserved I argued that it would be a ridiculous thought to have.
I think you're putting to much weight on the effects of what a race baiter like Luke will say. He's called UM racists in the past during the whole Shannon ordeal and didn't really affect the school or influence anything.
My opinion is that a 7-5 record wouldn't get Golden fired based on the goodwill he's earned so far. Yes I'll be disappointed as I think this is a 10 win team. Having a his projected starting QB go down and having to rely on a immature QB will afford him a little slack, but overall I'm expecting a breakthrough season. I think his goodwill would be all but spent if he follows up a 7-5 season with a similar underachieving year in 2015 and at that point would be fair game.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

You are probably right, but if he goes 7-5 or worse and doesn't get fired **** could get pretty ugly. The cries of racism would be deafening.

That's what I was wondering. Being considered racist in Miami is the last thing the university needs.

This just sounds ridiculous. I can see Luke crying about it on his blog but most rational folk would know results were achieved under different circumstances from one another.
Shannon was promoted from within, was familiar with the players, kept the same systems so no learning curve needed, didn't have to deal with a NCAA investigation for 3 years or anything of the sorts, had shoddy recruiting classes the previous 2 classes before he was fired and was on track for another lackluster 2011 class, entered the 2010 season with a veteran QB and solid talent and proceeded to go 7-6 losing culminating with an embarrassing loss at home to FSU.

Compare that to the circumstances Golden dealt with.
Had to start from scratch with no familiarity with the players, implemented new schemes which require a learning curve, was blindsided by Shapiro allegations and subsequent 3 year NCAA investigation which had far reaching effects on player and staff moral, recruiting, etc. Showed excellent leadership and was a great representative of UM through all of this. Has built up good will among the local HS coaching community through camps and other relationship building events, hauled by all indications his best recruiting class is entering his 4th year with a QB that has never taken a snap in a college game.

Comparing the 2 circumstances only a true racist with an agenda like Luke would cry racism if Golden goes 7-5 and isn't fired.

So stop with the ridiculousness already. Pulling the race card is a sign of desperation.
Besides it will set back efforts of hiring black coaches as School leaders would begin to wonder if hiring black coaches is worth dealing with the racism claims by those who feel some sort of social injustice if they ever ended up firing a black coach.

It's not always the accurate opinion that gets the most attention. Aren't you the same guy saying in the Donald Sterling thread that while what he said wasn't wrong, it will still look unfavorably? How is that different from this hypothetical situation?

As far as comparing Randy to Golden, all your compliments of Golden are mostly off field and NCAA related. He handled to the NCAA scandal with class and dignity and was invaluable during the entire episode. Kudos to him. That doesn't win games. Did it hurt him in terms of recruiting? Of course it did, yet he was still pulling top 15 classes after the 2011 class he had to hustle in a hurry. Are we a top 15 team so far? No. His hand selected QB hasn't taken a snap? That's rough, yet he has a year in the system and should be developed into a quality player but no one feels comfortable with him at the helm. Is it because he goofed off? Who's job is it to keep him in line and focus? The head coach.

I'm not a Randy Shannon coach fan at all, but you point out that Golden has an advantage over him in every facet of coaching including recruiting. Golden has brought in better players than Randy, in spite of the NCAA, and nobody is debating that. Yet we are following the exact same template that Shannon followed against similarly weak schedules.

I still argue about whether Golden has a strong relationship with the South Florida community. He apparently doesn't have ones with American Heritage, Champagnant, Dwyer, etc..

But this all irrelevant to the point I was trying to make. Like it or not, Uncle Luke wields a lot of influence in the community. When he speaks, the city listens. If he starts depicting us as racist, however extremely inaccurate that statement may be, it is going to hurt us. It's all about perception in Miami. Being called racist will hurt us a lot more than any NCAA cloud did.

I recognize that Randy and Golden had different situations. I also stand by my statement that Golden should be fired if he goes 7-5 or worse and doesn't win the Coastal and I don't think that for racial reasons. I'm not pulling any race card, but influential people with loud voices will if this situation arises. Don't confuse my worrying about how a racist tag will affect the school with thinking that it deserves a racist moniker. If Golden stumbles this year, he should be fired based on his win-loss record, not that his Black predecessor had the same record trend under easier circumstances. But as you and I have discussed for three threads now, this is Golden's year to prove that he will rise to a 10 win season and win the Coastal and you are of the opinion that he will do just that.

I didn't say that you thought a racist moniker would be deserved I argued that it would be a ridiculous thought to have.
I think you're putting to much weight on the effects of what a race baiter like Luke will say. He's called UM racists in the past during the whole Shannon ordeal and didn't really affect the school or influence anything.
My opinion is that a 7-5 record wouldn't get Golden fired based on the goodwill he's earned so far. Yes I'll be disappointed as I think this is a 10 win team. Having a his projected starting QB go down and having to rely on a immature QB will afford him a little slack, but overall I'm expecting a breakthrough season. I think his goodwill would be all but spent if he follows up a 7-5 season with a similar underachieving year in 2015 and at that point would be fair game.

Fair enough. I misunderstood you.

I don't think it would be only Luke though and it wouldn't be the first time this alarm has been raised, but that is extreme prophesizing on my part.

I really think 7-5 should get him fired especially if the losses are blowouts. If we're losing in the 18 point range like we did last year, it'll be really hard to sell that the team is improving. Losing Williams, who I really liked and thought was going to have a big year, probably counts for 1.5 wins by himself. His task got harder when he got stuck starting Olsen, but with all the pieces he has in place that is no excuse for not having a 10 win season like you expect.

As far as the goodwill is concerned, everything thing I've heard and inferred is that really evaporated with his Penn State issues. I don't know where you stand with how you think his Penn State saga went down, but I'm in the camp that he begged for the job and didn't get it. Donna's comments on the issue and Golden's subsequent crestfallen attitude indicate that his relationship with the administration is no longer a honeymoon and he's now being judged like any other employee. I also heard a rumor that he was told to fire D'Onofrio, refused, and that took away an additional year he could have been afforded, but that's purely speculation. If there was no Penn State-gate, he could have gone 0-12 and kept his job. Now I think he'll get the, "What-Have-You-Done-For-Me-Lately," treatment and an ugly season with big losses would get him canned. The fans calling for his head would only make it worse. The buyout might be what saves him in that situation.

But putting all that aside and assuming he does still have a good relationship with the administration, I agree with you that he can disappoint this year and still be given one more shot.

 

[dk72]

Not only that, but he went dark and didn't take anyone's calls. His players, recruits or the AD.

He handled it like a ******* coward and ****ed off the admin in the process.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...nn-state-job-miami-report-joe-paterno-big-ten

http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/01/08/3859111/miami-hurricanes-athletic-director.html

Try again.

Exactly. The haters just latched on to that myth and ran with it, while continually ignoring all of the information to the contrary.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Give Pedo State the death penalty for real. These fools are on probation and hired a guy who covered up rape.

Yeah, Franklin probably wasn't the best choice for that job.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Give Pedo State the death penalty for real. These fools are on probation and hired a guy who covered up rape.

Yeah, Franklin probably wasn't the best choice for that job.

Golden was their top choice.

 

[sebastian91]

Not only that, but he went dark and didn't take anyone's calls. His players, recruits or the AD.

He handled it like a ****ing coward and ****ed off the admin in the process.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...nn-state-job-miami-report-joe-paterno-big-ten

Try again.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-01-06/sports/45885472_1_al-golden-brett-senior-bill-o-brien

And yet on the 4th Donna said, "We don't know anything yet." So much for constant communication. What's Blake James going to say? "Our head football coach is leaving us at the altar and we look incompetent?"

What was she going to know at that point? Even if she did know something, she wouldn't have texted it out to anyone. The AD said more than once that he was in constant contact with AG. I don't know what more anyone would want.

So James was talking with Golden regularly because he said so but Donna was either completely in the dark or lying because she couldn't divulge any secrets while James was? I doubt it.

And if Donna's word isn't good enough for you, the players and recruits all came out and said that Golden wasn't returning their phone calls. The mods on this site have also echoed the sentiment that Golden was praying for the Penn State job and when he showed up at his end of the year press conference looking and acting depressed it confirmed the point that he had been rejected by his alma mater.

LOL. So, if the mods here say so, it must be true. Now we're interpreting the way AG 'looked' at a presser to figure out what went down? OK. Makes sense. Oh, by the way, we also don't know what question was asked of Donna. Look, the bottom line is that AG could have bailed after the NCAA thing. Ped State has had two chances to hire him and hasn't --- whether he was offered the job either time, rejected by them, or merely spoke to them out of courtesy, we'll likely never know. He's still here. The AD, his boss, certainly seemed to be satisfied with the level of communication he was getting. A lot of this Ped State ***** went down during a dead period for recruiting (12/23-1/3), so there's that, too. You all are just chasing ghosts, which is totally unnecessary. He's not winning enough games, and his defense sucks. You guys should stick to the low hanging fruit.

 

[NVA CANE]

If you believe Blake James was in constant contact with Golden during that whole Penn State issue, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

You actually think Donna Shalala would have come out and said I don't know what's going on when her AD is a phone call away. She could have easily said I've talked with James and he is in constant contact with Golden. She didn't because she didn't know where or what Golden was doing and neither did Blake James.

Either some of you guys are trolling or just plain stupid.

 

[sebringcanethang23]

BigTip, there is literally no way Golden will be fired this year. Will not happen, even if we go 5-7. Coach D? Definitely a possibility, but Golden will be here next year for better or worse

That not I disagree with you, but can you please explain your logic behind this? 5-7 should get anybody fired and you make it seem that even D'Onofrio wont be going anywhere.

The administration, from everything I've heard, are big fans of Golden -- less so of Coach D. They appreciate the fact that he stuck with Miami even after the scandal stuff happened, stuff which should have been disclosed to Golden before he was hired but was not. He has improved the team's record every year (and yes I know there are criticisms to be made of looking at just the raw data like that) and the administration gave him a deal through 2020 only last year -- that's a hefty *** buyout. He also graduates players, keeps UM out of the police beat, and is unquestionably adding talent to the roster. I can see
the the administration, if the wheels fall off this season, forcing Golden's hand and forcing
him to kick out Coach D ... but I can't see any scenario that ends with Golden being fired before the end of the 2015/16 season


Shannon and Golden's tenure have been defined by a completely different set of dynamics

Well reasoned.

I heard that all of the goodwill that Golden had with the administration went out the window with his Penn State flirtations. At the very least he burned up some of the affection he had with the higher ups at the school. I also heard a completely unsubstantiated rumor that his keeping of D'Onofrio this year is what really may have fast forwarded his clock where failure this year gets him the ax. The buyout you mentioned is the only reason I think that they would keep him if the season goes south. Shannon did nearly all the pros you mentioned while pulling in weaker recruits than Golden. Different dynamics aside, it will still look racist.

I don't know how the season will play out. If it's an ugly 7-5 or worse, I don't know how the administration will keep Golden even with all the pros you mentioned. The fans will be calling for blood and D'Onofrio alone wont satisfy them especially with some fans begging for Butch or Chud. Golden's honeymoon with the school ended, but you make a strong case that it will be a 50-50 toss up that he'll get fired if, and only if, this season is a blunder.

Randy recruited the number 1 class in the nation. What are you talking about.

 

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http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...nn-state-job-miami-report-joe-paterno-big-ten

Try again.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-01-06/sports/45885472_1_al-golden-brett-senior-bill-o-brien

And yet on the 4th Donna said, "We don't know anything yet." So much for constant communication. What's Blake James going to say? "Our head football coach is leaving us at the altar and we look incompetent?"

What was she going to know at that point? Even if she did know something, she wouldn't have texted it out to anyone. The AD said more than once that he was in constant contact with AG. I don't know what more anyone would want.

So James was talking with Golden regularly because he said so but Donna was either completely in the dark or lying because she couldn't divulge any secrets while James was? I doubt it.

And if Donna's word isn't good enough for you, the players and recruits all came out and said that Golden wasn't returning their phone calls. The mods on this site have also echoed the sentiment that Golden was praying for the Penn State job and when he showed up at his end of the year press conference looking and acting depressed it confirmed the point that he had been rejected by his alma mater.

LOL. So, if the mods here say so, it must be true. Now we're interpreting the way AG 'looked' at a presser to figure out what went down? OK. Makes sense. Oh, by the way, we also don't know what question was asked of Donna. Look, the bottom line is that AG could have bailed after the NCAA thing. Ped State has had two chances to hire him and hasn't --- whether he was offered the job either time, rejected by them, or merely spoke to them out of courtesy, we'll likely never know. He's still here. The AD, his boss, certainly seemed to be satisfied with the level of communication he was getting. A lot of this Ped State ***** went down during a dead period for recruiting (12/23-1/3), so there's that, too. You all are just chasing ghosts, which is totally unnecessary. He's not winning enough games, and his defense sucks. You guys should stick to the low hanging fruit.

I guess you'll just stick to reinterpreting history to fit your inaccurate theories. The mods on this website have better insight then we do due to better sources. That's a fact, but that doesn't make them infallible. The players on the team said Golden wasn't communicating with him. That's a fact too. The dead period prohibits coaches from calling recruits, but recruits can call players, which they were doing. Golden wasn't picking up their phone calls. That's also a fact.

Actually, we do know what warranted Donna's response. Shalala's comment was a statement released to the media when they were inquiring where Golden had been for the last few days. So being the powerful women that she is with all the connections that she has, she took the time to gather intel, ask for her employees whereabouts, and came up with a statement where she admitted to not knowing anything, which I'm sure wasn't embarrassing whatsoever for a woman of her prestige. But I guess we could just go with your idea that everything was going swell and this was just blown out of proportion. The mods are good sources of insight, Golden was devoid of his usual, "Golden energy," and we do know what prompted Donna's statement.

Golden could have bailed when he was hit with the NCAA issues and he chose to stay with us back in December 2010/January 2011. Nobody is debating that point and I'm grateful that he did stick with us at the time. You're using the logical fallacy of there's no evidence to directly refute you therefore your point is correct. The fact that Blake James said we're talking all the time doesn't confirm anything. If he wasn't communicating with Golden, he couldn't very well say, "I have no idea where my head football coach is." without first actually talking to Shalala. Shalala's short response was a quick line to get the media off her back where she actually admitted that she, the person that runs the school, had no idea where Golden was. The fact that it was the dead period is irrelevant. Chad Thomas, Demetrius Jackson, and Anthony Moten all tweeted that Golden wasn't picking up their phone calls. But I'm sure that's just an unfortunate coincidence.

This is chasing ghosts since the Penn State vacancy has passed, but it is a legitimate reason to question his loyalty to the school, sincerity, and his belief that he can get the job done here. He came off looking fraudulent to the players and recruits, especially since he was selling the idea of, "we have work to do here and I'll be here to the better end to get the job done."

Penn State has had two chances to hire and hasn't. I agree with you there. That leaves the question as to why? My guess is that they don't want a Paterno disciple. Some would say his not winning enough games or his awful defense, as you so rightly pointed out, was the reason. Maybe having to pay us for buying him out is the reason. This is where it really is just guesswork.

 

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It is possible that PSU thought raping adult girls was a step up from raping little boys so they brought in HC and President with experience it dealing with that. Maybe it was in the hope that future rapes will be of women. I mean, nothing happened to Vandy or the Free *** U for female rapes. PSU on the other hand got gang raped for the little boys.

My other thought is they were so desperate to avoid Mark(You know Al had to insisted on bringing him.), that they took whoever they could get instead of Al. The one thing PSU knew was they had to avoid a HC with unreasonable attachment to his DC--that was a road they just got off. Regardless, PSU stole Johnnie Majors' game plan against us from the Sugar Bowl the year before the Fiesta Bowl, so they can rot in ****. They are as dirty as any SEC team, just like Free Shoes/***/Seafood U.