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Tyreek Hill Arrested & Calais Campbell bears witness (Hill handcuffing)

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grover said:
Again, I could see why the officer would feel threatened when a guy is rolling up the tinted window to his Lambo (or was it a Ferrari .. nm Hoops says it was a McLaren. I guess I don't know my $400K sports cars).

But the moment he exerted his power, Hill cooperated. That should have been enough. The cuffing and rough treatment, cuffing CC and threatening to arrest him, that was out of hand. I'm speculating, but my guess is the cop's adrenaline was pumping like crazy, and he was feeling both frightened and powerful at the same time. Seems like a very fragile and dangerous state of mind to be as a cop.

CC did everyone involved a huge favor acting the way he did. That was some level headed stuff talking everyone off the ledge.
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whats even more damning is that the cops co worker literally said YO THATS HILL. they knew who he was. the only thing that saved this from becoming another george floyd type was that it involved hill and a few other fins right next to the stadium where traffic is flowing in. thankfully no one was hurt.
 
JHallCanes said:
If you were in Seattle and I was in Miami you couldn’t be far enough the **** out of my face
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cool. so youre biased because i dont respect cops. ive literally seen first hand cops get found for planting drugs on alleged suspects in court. spare me on the blue crap. do some more reps on the bench. also glad you dont live in miami so i dont have to see you.
 
grover said:
Honest question -- do you think the way I posted this thread I was being biased against the police? I wasn't trying to. I was just super impressed with how Calais handled the situation.

On a related note, I could definitely see how CC's comment to the media "why put me in cuffs?" (paraphrasing) was also unnecessarily inflammatory. Too much implied racism when I think it was much more about those cops being committed to controlling the scene by then, even though they were mostly responsible for escalating the situation. But in general, I think his presence really helped both sides defuse.
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Oh no absolutely not man. These conversations are good things to have but we as people **** them up pretty quickly

CC getting put in cuffs in my opinion was necessary (but without it on video all I can go by is what I assume happened). That’s textbook procedure and has nothing to do with race or who someone is.

Even if his heart was in the right place all a cop sees in a potentially dangerous situation is an escalator

So for his safety and the cops he’s going in cuffs

Now WHY that situation was so intense to begin with is the problem. It shouldn’t have been. Way too many chances to de-escalate on the cops side of things
 
hoops156 said:
how i am unhinged when im recounting what happened. hill was rude, the cop was a poorly trained ego maniac. cops have done more harm than good imo.
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fyi calais was getting arrested per the cop in the videos (yes he said arrested) tho the pos union said detained, because he got involved trying to defuse.
 
hoops156 said:
cool. so youre biased because i dont respect cops. ive literally seen first hand cops get found for planting drugs on alleged suspects in court. spare me on the blue crap. do some more reps on the bench. also glad you dont live in miami so i dont have to see you.
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Your ignorance is astonishing

I hope you don’t have kids
 
JHallCanes said:
Oh no absolutely not man. These conversations are good things to have but we as people **** them up pretty quickly

CC getting put in cuffs in my opinion was necessary (but without it on video all I can go by is what I assume happened). That’s textbook procedure and has nothing to do with race or who someone is.

Even if his heart was in the right place all a cop sees in a potentially dangerous situation is an escalator

So for his safety and the cops he’s going in cuffs

Now WHY that situation was so intense to begin with is the problem. It shouldn’t have been. Way too many chances to de-escalate on the cops side of things
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video is there. look up jeff darlington, andy slater, and chris perkins.
 
JHallCanes said:
Your ignorance is astonishing

I hope you don’t have kids
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ok i hope you dont have any either. also, do me a favor and go shadow a criminal defense attorney if you ever decide to go to law school. youll see why there is a lot of distrust for cops. fwiw, i have many friends who work for SAO in Florida. there are some good cops but so many poorly trained entitled ******** as well that ruin it all. the union doesnt help either esp given their statement and the videos that came out of it.
 
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hoops156 said:
ok i hope you dont have any either. also, do me a favor and go shadow a criminal defense attorney if you ever decide to go to law school. youll see why there is a lot of distrust for cops. fwiw, i have many friends who work for SAO in Florida. there are some good cops but so many poorly trained entitled ******** as well that ruin it all. the union doesnt help either esp given their statement and the videos that came out of it.
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No you don’t

You’re lying to try and manipulate the perspective so you’ll think I’ll think you have something useful to say

You’ve already **** all over yourself don’t expect me to tell you it’s ok
 
JHallCanes said:
No you don’t

You’re lying to try and manipulate the perspective so you’ll think I’ll think you have something useful to say

You’ve already **** all over yourself don’t expect me to tell you it’s ok
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i do. you want to find out. DM me and ill give you a few in Orlando, one in hillsborough, and one in collier.

you dont know **** about me. youre lying too about your own family. see how easy it is to accuse someone of something you have zero information about. you can ask people who know me in this board (mods).
 
hoops156 said:
i do. you want to find out. DM me and ill give you a few in Orlando, one in hillsborough, and one in collier.

you dont know **** about me. youre lying too about your own family. see how easy it is to accuse someone of something you have zero information about. you can ask people who know me in this board (mods).
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I don’t know how to break this to you but IDGAF who you are 😂
 
hoops156 said:
cool. so youre biased because i dont respect cops. ive literally seen first hand cops get found for planting drugs on alleged suspects in court. spare me on the blue crap. do some more reps on the bench. also glad you dont live in miami so i dont have to see you.
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Dummy Feeling Dumb GIF
 
JHallCanes said:
Oh no absolutely not man. These conversations are good things to have but we as people **** them up pretty quickly

CC getting put in cuffs in my opinion was necessary (but without it on video all I can go by is what I assume happened). That’s textbook procedure and has nothing to do with race or who someone is.

Even if his heart was in the right place all a cop sees in a potentially dangerous situation is an escalator

So for his safety and the cops he’s going in cuffs

Now WHY that situation was so intense to begin with is the problem. It shouldn’t have been. Way too many chances to de-escalate on the cops side of things
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You need to watch the entire video, and all the videos.

First, the context.

A couple of motorcycle cops were at JRS for GAMEDAY TRAFFIC. It wasn't a speed trap. They weren't there to pull over speeders, they were there to get cars into the parking lots. There are cones up in the road. There are people turning into various Hard Rock parking lots.

An expensive sports car passed them by going too fast. Is speeding dangerous? Sure, if we are to believe 100 years of lectures from cops and safety officials. But is 60 in a 55 SO INHERENTLY DANGEROUS in broad daylight that it necessitates such behavior? No. Tyreek was going a few hundred more yards down the road prior to turning into a Hard Rock access road. He was not speeding up, he was not evading the police, he was not swerving, he was not cutting off other cars. So, again, when the PBA union tries to use the whole "he was driving dangerously" routine, that is certainly not what Hill was charged with.

Second, when the police officer is first speaking to Hill (per the video), his initial questioning is focused on the seat belt violation. Repeat, the seat belt violation. Nobody says "your speed was so high that you were endangering others walking to the game". Nope. Just "why is your seatbelt not fastened".

Third, the order of events is as follows. First, Hill DID roll down his window. He gives the officer his license. He then rolls his window back up to (in Hill's words) to avoid being photographed. And then this is what happens. The officer twice tells Hill to roll his window back down, which Hill partially does. Next, the officer becomes angry after just a few seconds and orders Hill out of his car. A second officer then comes in and forces the door open (while threatening to "break" the window) and pulls Hill out of the car by his head.

Once out of the car, again in direct contrast to the false claims made by the PBA union, Hill is forced to lie face down on the asphalt while he is cuffed. I cannot emphasize this enough, but there was NO NON-COMPLIANCE, because there was no opportunity FOR compliance. Hill was not asked to sit down, so he cannot possibly have REFUSED TO SIT DOWN. He was pulled from his car by his head and forced face-down on the pavement with no intervening ANYTHING.

The officers continue to yell at Hill and berate him, while yanking him up and moving him to the sidewalk. Hill then tells the officers that he recentlly had knee surgery. One officer mocks him, and the other then JUMPS ON HILL FROM BEHIND, briefly putting Hill in a chokehold.

Literally...NONE OF THAT was necessary. There was absolutely nothing on the video that indicates Hill had to be restrained for ANYONE'S safety. It is entirely possible to write a ticket (or two, don't forget the horrendous seat belt violation) without pulling a guy out of his car by his head, cuffing him facedown on asphalt, or jumping on his back to put him in a chokehold.

And, no, no matter how many family members you might have "on the job", none of what the officer did is justified by "disrespect" or a few seconds of delay in not doing everything a cop tells you to do. In fact, the police officer did not have the right to order Hill out of his car IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, since the US Supreme Court and Florida only require that to be done FOR THE OFFICER'S SAFETY. And there is absolutely nothing in the video to indicate that the officer needed to order Hill out of his car TOP PROTECT THE OFFICER'S SAFETY. In fact, watching the video, it is beyond obvious that the officer did it because he became angry at Hill, not because there was a safety issue. It was MORE DANGEROUS to order a guy to lie facedown IN THE MIDDLE OF AN 8 LANE ROAD for nothing more than a 5 mph speeding violation and a seat belt infraction.

It was broad daylight.

It was stadium traffic.

It was an NFL player who was recognized and was going to his workplace a few hundred yards away.

It was a minor speeding violation (which is NOT a criminal infraction) and a seatbelt violation.

There was NO issue with the officer's safety.

Watch the video.
 
hoops156 said:
ok i hope you dont have any either. also, do me a favor and go shadow a criminal defense attorney if you ever decide to go to law school. youll see why there is a lot of distrust for cops. fwiw, i have many friends who work for SAO in Florida. there are some good cops but so many poorly trained entitled ******** as well that ruin it all. the union doesnt help either esp given their statement and the videos that came out of it.
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Go "shadow a criminal defense attorney"? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
TheOriginalCane said:
You need to watch the entire video, and all the videos.

First, the context.

A couple of motorcycle cops were at JRS for GAMEDAY TRAFFIC. It wasn't a speed trap. They weren't there to pull over speeders, they were there to get cars into the parking lots. There are cones up in the road. There are people turning into various Hard Rock parking lots.

An expensive sports car passed them by going too fast. Is speeding dangerous? Sure, if we are to believe 100 years of lectures from cops and safety officials. But is 60 in a 55 SO INHERENTLY DANGEROUS in broad daylight that it necessitates such behavior? No. Tyreek was going a few hundred more yards down the road prior to turning into a Hard Rock access road. He was not speeding up, he was not evading the police, he was not swerving, he was not cutting off other cars. So, again, when the PBA union tries to use the whole "he was driving dangerously" routine, that is certainly not what Hill was charged with.

Second, when the police officer is first speaking to Hill (per the video), his initial questioning is focused on the seat belt violation. Repeat, the seat belt violation. Nobody says "your speed was so high that you were endangering others walking to the game". Nope. Just "why is your seatbelt not fastened".

Third, the order of events is as follows. First, Hill DID roll down his window. He gives the officer his license. He then rolls his window back up to (in Hill's words) to avoid being photographed. And then this is what happens. The officer twice tells Hill to roll his window back down, which Hill partially does. Next, the officer becomes angry after just a few seconds and orders Hill out of his car. A second officer then comes in and forces the door open (while threatening to "break" the window) and pulls Hill out of the car by his head.

Once out of the car, again in direct contrast to the false claims made by the PBA union, Hill is forced to lie face down on the asphalt while he is cuffed. I cannot emphasize this enough, but there was NO NON-COMPLIANCE, because there was no opportunity FOR compliance. Hill was not asked to sit down, so he cannot possibly have REFUSED TO SIT DOWN. He was pulled from his car by his head and forced face-down on the pavement with no intervening ANYTHING.

The officers continue to yell at Hill and berate him, while yanking him up and moving him to the sidewalk. Hill then tells the officers that he recentlly had knee surgery. One officer mocks him, and the other then JUMPS ON HILL FROM BEHIND, briefly putting Hill in a chokehold.

Literally...NONE OF THAT was necessary. There was absolutely nothing on the video that indicates Hill had to be restrained for ANYONE'S safety. It is entirely possible to write a ticket (or two, don't forget the horrendous seat belt violation) without pulling a guy out of his car by his head, cuffing him facedown on asphalt, or jumping on his back to put him in a chokehold.

And, no, no matter how many family members you might have "on the job", none of what the officer did is justified by "disrespect" or a few seconds of delay in not doing everything a cop tells you to do. In fact, the police officer did not have the right to order Hill out of his car IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, since the US Supreme Court and Florida only require that to be done FOR THE OFFICER'S SAFETY. And there is absolutely nothing in the video to indicate that the officer needed to order Hill out of his car TOP PROTECT THE OFFICER'S SAFETY. In fact, watching the video, it is beyond obvious that the officer did it because he became angry at Hill, not because there was a safety issue. It was MORE DANGEROUS to order a guy to lie facedown IN THE MIDDLE OF AN 8 LANE ROAD for nothing more than a 5 mph speeding violation and a seat belt infraction.

It was broad daylight.

It was stadium traffic.

It was an NFL player who was recognized and was going to his workplace a few hundred yards away.

It was a minor speeding violation (which is NOT a criminal infraction) and a seatbelt violation.

There was NO issue with the officer's safety.

Watch the video.
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I wasn’t talking about Hill

You wasted a lot of words for no reason

That’s typical though
 
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JD08 said:
According to the citation, which was provided to NPR by Miami-Dade police, an officer estimated that Hill had been driving 60 mph on a road with a speed limit of 40 mph. In one of the body camera videos, Hill can be heard telling an officer that he had been going 55 mph.

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got it. thanks! I had seen it was 55 mph before, but either way, ive done 60 in 40 nearly daily. none of what happened was even remotely required. the cop could have wrote the ticket as hill suggested in the video and he'd have a job and it wouldn't be an embarrassment. hopefully HRS gives the OT shifts for game traffic to Miami Gardens PD rather than MDPD from now on.
 
A lot of police are ******* trash. Not all...but a lot.

I'd wager most Americans have had poor interactions with the trash officers at some point in their life. Tyreek was about as cordial as you can get.

Also...How is it not just not stated back at headquarters before the ******* shift begins to not do **** like that? Common sense bro.

60 in a 55? Lmfao. What a garbage cop for pulling him over in the first place. And a terrible show of the lack of training and general common sense by the force.

This is America, to the cops out there, we don't work that hard here.

Also...shouts to Tyreek. I'm blessed to have seen him catch that tud from Tua 5 yards from my face. For those that don't know, I'm a Jags fan and that TD even popped me. Awesome to see live. Not a human in football was stopping that TD from happening. Every player on the Dolphins was locked in on that game defining moment. I don't think I've ever seen a player run faster in a play with my own eyes in my life and I've been around the U for almost 30 years now. One of the coolest live football moments and I've seen some cool ones. But unbelievably fast human.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
A lot of police are ******* trash. Not all...but a lot.

I'd wager most Americans have had poor interactions with the trash officers at some point in their life. Tyreek was about as cordial as you can get.

Also...How is it not just not stated back at headquarters before the ******* shift begins to not do **** like that? Common sense bro.

60 in a 55? Lmfao. What a garbage cop for pulling him over in the first place. And a terrible show of the lack of training and general common sense by the force.

This is America, to the cops out there, we don't work that hard here.

Also...shouts to Tyreek. I'm blessed to have seen him catch that tud from Tua 5 yards from my face. For those that don't know, I'm a Jags fan and that TD even popped me. Awesome to see live. Not a human in football was stopping that TD from happening. Every player on the Dolphins was locked in on that game defining moment. I don't think I've ever seen a player run faster in a play with my own eyes in my life and I've been around the U for almost 30 years now. One of the coolest live football moments and I've seen some cool ones. But unbelievably fast human.
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Sobering thoughts my brother

To me the cops are getting worse since I was a kid for a few reasons. Probably ones people would agree on more than they would like to admit

A lot of good people don’t want to be cops anymore. Like teachers but that’s a whole other can of worms. I know many that have left their respective forces because it’s just so much easier to make money these days than deal with it

Now you’re left with a lot of people that want to be cops for the wrong reasons. To exact justice type ****. Dude on the video clearly had an ego problem and wanted to let Hill know he was the one in charge. That’s not ******* good man.

Like the guys that join the military if you’re promised you’re allowed to shoot brown people
 
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