TVD

[Jassid82]

We love to crown people early. I remember hearing another young QB was the goods after airing it out against FSU. I think he’s in the portal again.

Are we really comparing Nkosi Perry's run that year to TVD????? Didnt Perry lose right after that FSU comeback to UVA? And we scored like 14 points? AND he was benched that game?? Try harder.

 

[HTXCane]

I was reading a writeup a FSU writer did before the game. He said the scariest part of TVD is that mistakes don't bother him. He can miss deep throws but is not afraid to keep taking shots. This game proved him right.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Are we really comparing Nkosi Perry's run that year to TVD????? Didnt Perry lose right after that FSU comeback to UVA? And we scored like 14 points? AND he was benched that game?? Try harder.

Jarren Williams went for 313 and 2 TDs against FSU and similar, you’ve found your QB texts were received.

Everyone has to be an ******* here. Can’t just discuss things. Why?

 

[Hoyacane1620]

He's in charge of the ball. Pocket collapsing all around him, he's gotta secure it or get rid of it. He tried to get rid of it, but was late in doing either. It happens, beast play by 11 and his OL needs to give him more time. Still, it was his fumble and that's that.

No one survives getting hit by Johnson like that without losing the ball. You want to point fingers? How about the OLineman who stood there watching it happen.

 

[SayWhat]

No one survives getting hit by Johnson like that without losing the ball. You want to point fingers? How about the OLineman who stood there watching it happen.

I did.

Still needs to secure or get rid of it. That's his job, to be aware of what's going on around him.

 

[ThomasM]

I can see what you're saying.

We spotted them 17 unanswered. We lost by less than that. Asking this defense to play a perfect game essentially after that is a lot. Bottomline is that the defense played well enough to win without all the offensive mistakes.

I agree with that as well. The game, much like the GT game, shouldn't have been close. We made our bed.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Some good and bad with him. Just because he played well in the 2nd half doesn't excuse the way he played early on. And I'm talking deeper than just the picks. He had Knighton once in the flat and fired a 100 mph fastball at him, way high, and it fell incomplete. No touch at all on the ball. I think that's probably purely nerves, but it wasn't the first drive of the game. He's got to settle into game a lot earlier. He's half a season in, these first quarter jitters are no bueno.

It's a 60 minute game, and every play counts the same. The throws in the 2nd half aren't worth more than the ones in the first half.

But I agree with most of you, there are certainly things there to be excited about. He absolutely has promise, he's got some things you can see can be turned into high level QB play. But I was just pretty disappointed with only 28 points against that defense. And truthfully, we were probably fortunate to even get to that number. A dumb running into the kicker turned 3 into 7 late in the 3rd quarter. The insane bounce to Harley for a TD came on 3rd and Goal from the 10, which even if the ball falls incomplete and isn't picked, is probably another FG.

We got beat. Pretty soundly, actually. By a 3-6 football team with wins over Syracuse, UNC, and UMass. Pathetic.

 

[Unsider]

4th and 14 is definitely Banner Worthy

It was the epitome of what’s wrong with this team

Repeatedly. As if that scenario is on auto replay with this team.

 

[RedSquare]

What’s your point? We should’ve been up by double digits, if the first half wasn’t a sh*t show. I said the loss wasn’t his fault, but he’s not absolved of any criticism. He turned the ball over three times.

two times.

the "pick" to Harley is 100% on Harley. It hit him in the hands, and he was cradling it. Actually, it was a heck of a throw given the coverage, even if he should have come off the read.

nevertheless, the rule is grading is simple: if the WR gets his hands on it, then it's now 100% his responsibility. Full stop. A throw that hits the receiver in the hands is not a pick. It's a fumble by the receiver, and that's how coaches see it and grade it. (even if the box score calls it a pick by rule).

Ask Lashlee and Likens what each player's card looks like after cut-ups last night. Tyler's sheet will have a "+" on the play, and Harley's will have a "-"

The fumble? Well, I agree that he should have been better withl ball security on the play, but I'm putting part of that on the OL. When your QB gets hit in the pocket, and you still have guys in the pattern not at the top of their routes, that's on the protection, not just the QB. Call it 50/50

The pick on the X-9 route, yeah, that's on him.

So, he committed 1 1/2 turnovers.

Did he play his best game? No. You're right, he didn't

Did he play well enough to help his team win? Yep. He Did.

I was always a pretty tough grader with my QB's, and that was a function of having a college coach, in particular, that was tough on me. That means I am with you and I don't give him a pass for his mistakes. But I also know he carried his weight when the team needed him to do so. His errors were overcome by his good play.

We can't same the same for pretty much anyone else on the team. With the possible exception of Rooster and Mallory, who were grinding, and whose good partly made ups for their mistakes.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

two times.

the "pick" to Harley is 100% on Harley. It hit him in the hands, and he was cradling it. Actually, it was a heck of a throw given the coverage, even if he should have come off the read.

nevertheless, the rule is grading is simple: if the WR gets his hands on it, then it's now 100% his responsibility. Full stop. A throw that hits the receiver in the hands is not a pick. It's a fumble by the receiver, and that's how coaches see it and grade it. (even if the box score calls it a pick by rule).

Ask Lashlee and Likens what each player's card looks like after cut-ups last night. Tyler's sheet will have a "+" on the play, and Harley's will have a "-"

The fumble? Well, I agree that he should have been better will ball security on the play, but I'm putting part of that on the OL. When your QB gets hit in the pocket, and you still have guys in the pattern not at the top of their routes, that's on the protection, not just the QB. Call it 50/50

The pick on the X-9 route, yeah, that's on him.

So, he committed 1 1/2 turnovers.

Did he play his best game? No. You're right, he didn't

Did he play well enough to help his team win? Yep. He Did.

I was always a pretty tough grader with my QB's, and that was a function of having a college coach, in particular, that was tough on me. That means I am with you and I don't give him a pass for his mistakes. But I also know he carried his weight when the team needed him to do so. His errors were overcome by his good play.

We can't same the same for pretty much anyone else on the team. With the possible exception of Rooster and Mallory, who were grinding, and whose good palsy made ups for their mistakes.

You gonna mention the two TD’s he misses and the at least 4 misses that would’ve extended drives? The whole “played good enough to win” is the most overused term in sports. He played great one half and awful in the other. That isn’t good enough to win.

He brought the team back but the defense also held FSU scoreless for about the first 20 minutes of the second half. Why aren’t you giving them credit for that? They played good for 1/3 of the game and TVD played good for half the game. The loss is partially on him, he played a part in it.

 

[Cribby]

You gonna mention the two TD’s he misses and the at least 4 misses that would’ve extended drives? The whole “played good enough to win” is the most overused term in sports. He played great one half and awful in the other. That isn’t good enough to win.

He brought the team back but the defense also held FSU scoreless for about the first 20 minutes of the second half. Why aren’t you giving them credit for that? They played good for 1/3 of the game and TVD played good for half the game. The loss is partially on him, he played a part in it.

Well the d got lit up by an atrocious offense , their awful qb was 10-11 for 144 in the first half . Tvd put us in position to win, that’s all you can do at that point, the first half was over and done. Mannys D is what broke and allowed 11 points in five minutes.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Well the d got lit up by an atrocious offense , their awful qb was 10-11 for 144 in the first half . Tvd put us in position to win, that’s all you can do at that point, the first half was over and done. Mannys D is what broke and allowed 11 points in five minutes.

I said he played a great second half, but I’m not gonna act like he wasn’t awful in the first. Loss wasn’t on him but his first half was part of the reason the team was in a huge hole.

 

[Cribby]

I said he played a great second half, but I’m not gonna act like he wasn’t awful in the first. Loss wasn’t on him but his first half was part of the reason the team was in a huge hole.

He struggled in the first half , the bar has just been set so high that people expect too much too fast. He missed guys for sure, the first half was bad. He did have drops and one pick wasn’t his fault. I’m just saying he bounced back like a boss and put us in position to win. Manny just said “ hold my beer” . Imo it all happened perfectly , poetic justice.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

He struggled in the first half , the bar has just been set so high that people expect too much too fast. He missed guys for sure, the first half was bad. He did have drops and one pick wasn’t his fault. I’m just saying he bounced back like a boss and put us in position to win. Manny just said “ hold my beer” . Imo it all happened perfectly , poetic justice.

He came back better than 99% of other guys would have and ended the game with really good numbers. And yes Manny and his D 100% lost the game. I’m just not gonna forget what happened the first 30 minutes. They mattered.

 

[Disgustipated]

Hopefully he hires a qb coach with his tvdimes phone case money.. Not sure if Rosier cuts it but Rosier is affiliated with bigger national qb coach (is is Avery?)

Lashlee still puts up points but I hate that it took him soooooooo long to hit FSU weakness and get TVD in rhythm. Broadcast said they bracketed Rambo but film shows we should have been raping them with Rooster early.. A bunch of teams hit HUGE plays with their backs and TE against FSU all season from ND, Syracuse, NCST, etc. People want to hype Smith but he not ready for these games, couldnt separate and bunch of drops in tight coverage.. If you not gonna move Rambo around and "feed the studs" without letting Defense dictate, you need to make them pay with a weapon like Rooster, I dont care about balance, he should of had 10 catches in first half of need be.. We had options but seemed to think we could get ball to smith?

-Going into game, Rooster should of been on alert he would be major part of passing game, film said thats where you make money..

-Move Rambo around, leaving him stationary and making it easy for Defense to dictate your offense is not good.. Rambo showed in 2nd half when he got passes thrown his way he was ready for moment and made most of his opportunities regardless of how tight coverage was..

-Screens, screens, screens should have been used as film has shown good results, to rooster, to Mallory, to whoever.. Especially with Dline teeing off early and Jarrid having his hands full all night.

-Have a game plan in place if #11 is wrecking **** like he was, dude was all over and made Jarrid do a freaking spin move he put him in a blender..

These guys don't game plan for opponents, never have. They just run their stuff. Lashlee is way better, obviously, than the DC in at least having some wrinkles in the gameday plan.

 

[RedSquare]

He came back better than 99% of other guys would have and ended the game with really good numbers. And yes Manny and his D 100% lost the game. I’m just not gonna forget what happened the first 30 minutes. They mattered.

I don't think anyone disagrees that the first half mattered. of course it did, but as you rightly said, whatever hole the team dug for itself at halftime, he climbed out of it.

The "hole" was on him and his teammates. The "loss?" ... that's 99% on Diaz.

Ro did a nice review of that Harley turnover, so I won't repeat it. But here it is if you want to dig deeper .....

 

[RedSquare]

You gonna mention the two TD’s he misses and the at least 4 misses that would’ve extended drives? The whole “played good enough to win” is the most overused term in sports. He played great one half and awful in the other. That isn’t good enough to win.

He brought the team back but the defense also held FSU scoreless for about the first 20 minutes of the second half. Why aren’t you giving them credit for that? They played good for 1/3 of the game and TVD played good for half the game. The loss is partially on him, he played a part in it.

So what wouldn't the grade of his cut-up have needed to be for you to say he played "Good enough to win?"

 

[Number1CanesFan]

Where I am completely unrealistic is to expect to have an actual discussion on a CIS sports board.

It always has to be polarizing, but yet it doesn’t have to be.

TVD has looked fantastic. Bad turnovers are still bad turnovers and many of his INTs have been just that - bad decisions, bad turnovers.

I’m not saying he can’t learn from them, or hasn’t learned from them. But others need to be realistic too… if he keeps starting off missing and getting picked, people are going to start calling for the back up. Especially if the back up appears to have talent too. We just don’t have that guy right now.

He needs to keep learning and developing as I have said. When he’s on, he’s on. When he’s not, it’s still pretty ugly. He’s getting great experience this year in tight games and doing pretty **** well.

Rewatch the game and then make the same comments. TVD's 2 interceptions weren't even on him. I thought one of them was, but no. The deep throw thst got picked off was because a defender was in his face and he couldn't step into the ball. The 2nd interception I already commented on where Harley had the ball taken away from him going to the ground.

Did TVD miss some throws? Yes. Did he have more pressure in his face than other games? Yes.

You guys just kill me with these fantasy expectations. Our guy had multiple games putting up fantasy numbers, so that becomes your expectation.

I'll keep saying it. It's an unrealistic expectation to put on a QB let alone a rsh freshman QB playing 1/2 of a season where he wasn’t supposed to play at all.

 

[Stylie]

Baller

 

[5TimesWePissedOffTheNCAA]

Disrespected by Garcia slurpers.