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Truth is starting to come out (Warren Sapp tweet)

Duvalco.Cane said:
DaU83 said:
That's bull****, and doesn't take into account the programs situation when they both took over. Golden can get fired on his own merits, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got a 5th year because of the shapiro stuff, and how bad randy was.
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***** LULZ, are you serious???? We had a punter playing Wr!!!!!!....and Kirby was our QB!!!!!!!! Randy also dealt with the Pata murder, the FIU brawl- I mean...parents were actually afraid that their kids would get MURDERED if they came to Miami!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GTFOOHWTPABSYFAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You have to excuse him he is suffering from the stockholm syndrome. He is traumatized from sucking Goldens cack for so long.
 
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The Randy meme fits the situation for those who think it can be used to get Al fired. That said, there's little truth to it. The program is way better off now than when Al took over. Randy had zero idea how to recruit. He recruited like a fat girl trying to get a prom date. We had huge holes in the roster. I give Al a ton of credit for keeping things together in 2011 and 2012. THAT is what Al is good at. Now that the wave has passed, its time to win. And THAT is what Al is not so good at.
 
I'm actually surprised LRG hasn't had that "I better pipe down for a while, I've been wrong about literally everything" moment yet.

In his pathetic attempt to continue defending his hero and attempting to buy him time, he forgets that Shannon took over:

- For a team that just had a player murdered in an execution style
- A program that was being destroyed in the media for their on-the-field brawl -- "THUG U" was being tossed around again
- An offense that finished 87th in the country
- An offense with so little skill position depth that Punter Brian Monroe played first team WR in the Spring Game

The only REDEEMING thing about that team was that it finished 7th in the country in total defense the year before -- the unit he was responsible for.


Golden took over a roster with 13 kids that will/would go on to play in the NFL.

"Oh boo hoo the NCAA is LOOKING at us -- not even handing down any actual sanctions yet that'll hurt us, they're just LOOOKING into it" Get that ***** **** out of here.
 
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SFbayCane said:
The Randy meme fits the situation for those who think it can be used to get Al fired. That said, there's little truth to it. The program is way better off now than when Al took over. Randy had zero idea how to recruit. He recruited like a fat girl trying to get a prom date. We had huge holes in the roster. I give Al a ton of credit for keeping things together in 2011 and 2012. THAT is what Al is good at. Now that the wave has passed, its time to win. And THAT is what Al is not so good at.
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Al really belongs as an AD somewhere. His skillset would be excellent for an administrative face of a school's athletic program.
 
SFbayCane said:
The Randy meme fits the situation for those who think it can be used to get Al fired. That said, there's little truth to it. The program is way better off now than when Al took over. Randy had zero idea how to recruit. He recruited like a fat girl trying to get a prom date. We had huge holes in the roster. I give Al a ton of credit for keeping things together in 2011 and 2012. THAT is what Al is good at. Now that the wave has passed, its time to win. And THAT is what Al is not so good at.
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spot on. cant think of anyone else that would do a better job of moving the program forward (except on the field) and coming out of the shapiro scandal. he's done that. we have been facilities, better recruiting, better program overall, except he cannot produce wins.
 
rsa coral gables said:
SFbayCane said:
The Randy meme fits the situation for those who think it can be used to get Al fired. That said, there's little truth to it. The program is way better off now than when Al took over. Randy had zero idea how to recruit. He recruited like a fat girl trying to get a prom date. We had huge holes in the roster. I give Al a ton of credit for keeping things together in 2011 and 2012. THAT is what Al is good at. Now that the wave has passed, its time to win. And THAT is what Al is not so good at.
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spot on. cant think of anyone else that would do a better job of moving the program forward (except on the field) and coming out of the shapiro scandal. he's done that. we have been facilities, better recruiting, better program overall, except he cannot produce wins.
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At the end of the day this is what its about, produce or GTFO.
 
Tad Footeball said:
Using Corch Radio as a comparison point is beyond retarded. If Fat Warren wants to make dumb arguments then one could ask him how a lifelong Cane performed so poorly. Theoretically, shouldn't someone that bleeds orange and green know better how to run the program he was so entrenched in? One of "our own" failing so bad should be even more reprehensible. Both should be and should have been fired. The moment one makes the case that Shannon shouldn't have you lose all credibility and I bet Sapp would say that Radio should have received another year. He's dumb like that.
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I don't think Warren was trying to say Randy shouldn't be fired, I think he's stating how was Randy fired w/ a better win record over our life-long arch rival, yet Golden gets a pass b/c of what? He wears a tie? I totally agree w/ him. Golden's team is reverting back to year one w/ Golden and this team is much more talented than what he had in year one. We have regressed tremendously. He blamed year one on a new system being implemented. He blamed year two on the cloud and the team being too young. Year three it was all good when we were 7-0, but after we went 2-4 down the stretch, he used attrition as a means to excuse the collapse. Now we come to year 4...there's no more cloud, he has depth, and a balance of talent experience and talented youth....and his excuses have been 1) starting a true frosh on the road and not opening up the playbook for him 2) playing in back to back night games were tough on his team 3) a moral victory and 4) it's start w/ me....come on!!! This is year 4 and EVERYONE picked us to win this neutered division of FBS football and we have continually underachieved...in year 4. His window is closed and Sapp is absolutely correct...if Randy didn't get a pass, why should Al when his players off the field have been a train wreck as well.
 
TheU1988 said:
No one is arguing that Shannon should still be here. They're arguing that Al SHOULD NOT still be here.
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Some SEEM to be arguing that we should have kept Shannon instead of hiring Golden.

I would ONLY agree with that to the extent that keeping Shannon a year longer would have caused the BOT to invest the $$$$ in a proven commodity, and I think we all know the answer to that given the last 3 decisions.

Bottom Line, Golden had more experience as a head coach, but only slightly more at a pathetic program...and after the Coker and Shannon experiments, it was looooong overdue time for a serious financial investment in a proven commodity. I'm starting to wonder if any of those ostriches realize what the **** they are doing by kicking the can further and further down the road with projects, hopes and dreams.

Shannon & Golden were way in over their heads, and both deserve(d) to be outta here...can't blame them for taking the gig at all, can only blame the idiots who decided to hire them while we were falling further and further behind the player$ in the college football.

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Rellyrell said:
Tad Footeball said:
Using Corch Radio as a comparison point is beyond retarded. If Fat Warren wants to make dumb arguments then one could ask him how a lifelong Cane performed so poorly. Theoretically, shouldn't someone that bleeds orange and green know better how to run the program he was so entrenched in? One of "our own" failing so bad should be even more reprehensible. Both should be and should have been fired. The moment one makes the case that Shannon shouldn't have you lose all credibility and I bet Sapp would say that Radio should have received another year. He's dumb like that.
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I don't think Warren was trying to say Randy shouldn't be fired, I think he's stating how was Randy fired w/ a better win record over our life-long arch rival, yet Golden gets a pass b/c of what? He wears a tie? I totally agree w/ him. Golden's team is reverting back to year one w/ Golden and this team is much more talented than what he had in year one. We have regressed tremendously. He blamed year one on a new system being implemented. He blamed year two on the cloud and the team being too young. Year three it was all good when we were 7-0, but after we went 2-4 down the stretch, he used attrition as a means to excuse the collapse. Now we come to year 4...there's no more cloud, he has depth, and a balance of talent experience and talented youth....and his excuses have been 1) starting a true frosh on the road and not opening up the playbook for him 2) playing in back to back night games were tough on his team 3) a moral victory and 4) it's start w/ me....come on!!! This is year 4 and EVERYONE picked us to win this neutered division of FBS football and we have continually underachieved...in year 4. His window is closed and Sapp is absolutely correct...if Randy didn't get a pass, why should Al when his players off the field have been a train wreck as well.
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I agree with everything you say except I never give Sapp the benefit of the doubt when it comes to making a reasoned statement.
 
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SFbayCane said:
The Randy meme fits the situation for those who think it can be used to get Al fired. That said, there's little truth to it. The program is way better off now than when Al took over. Randy had zero idea how to recruit. He recruited like a fat girl trying to get a prom date. We had huge holes in the roster. I give Al a ton of credit for keeping things together in 2011 and 2012. THAT is what Al is good at. Now that the wave has passed, its time to win. And THAT is what Al is not so good at.
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lol....

Al recruiting well huh.....

Let's take a glimpse of all of the recruits of F.A.G since he's been here:

2011 class (his smallest class)
Ranked 33rd....tell me if you know these guys (Ricardo Williams, Gionni Paul, Antonio Kinard, Eddie Johnson, Corey King, Darius Smith)
That's right, none of them our on this team anymore. Johnson and Paul were kicked off the team (causing depth issues on the lb front)
Corey King is a JAG...Smith, Williams, Kinard...your guess is as good as mine.

2012 class (his best class)
Ranked 9th (Jawand Blue, Jacoby Briscoe, Jontavious Carter, Gary Crow, Vernon Davis, Preston Dewey, Danny Dillard, Nate Dortch, Dwayne Hoilett, Larry Hope, Dequan Ivery, Angelo Jean-Louis, David Thompson, Gabriel Terry, Jake O'Donnell)
Half of the guys on this list didn't make it in, some were kicked off, some went to other sports, some are just JAGs....on paper, this was the 9th ranked class, but half of that class ain't here...once again, depletion of depth.

2013 class (a top 15 class)
(Beau Sandland, Kevin Olsen, Sonny Odogwu, Ray Ray III, Derrick Griffin, Devante Bond, AQM)
only one of these guys are still on this team and he's the biggest (literally) JAG on the team. 2 never made it in, one was kicked off the team, the other was dang near kick off the team, and the other transfered. 37% of this class, no show....once again creating depth issues.

2014 class (a top 15 class)
jury is still out.

so far under Golden's "expertise" in recruitng, we've had 6 players dismissed from this team for OFF THE FIELD ISSUES. We've had a whole slew of JAGs and players that transferred to other schools. Out of the 98 recruits we've had during his tenure, 30% of his classes are not here. Are you telling me that this program is really in better shape now? We have safeties who are afraid to tackle...they have a rb coming at them full speed and they are back peddling. We have 5 star recruits playing like they were 2 star. We have 4 star recruits playing like they were unranked. Randy was a hot mess b/c the guy gave two F's about the Offensive side of the ball, but Golden gives 2 F's about this team in general (see him trying to leave us for PSU.) Please don't make general statements w/o facts suppporting your statements.
 
Rellyrell said:
SFbayCane said:
The Randy meme fits the situation for those who think it can be used to get Al fired. That said, there's little truth to it. The program is way better off now than when Al took over. Randy had zero idea how to recruit. He recruited like a fat girl trying to get a prom date. We had huge holes in the roster. I give Al a ton of credit for keeping things together in 2011 and 2012. THAT is what Al is good at. Now that the wave has passed, its time to win. And THAT is what Al is not so good at.
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lol....

Al recruiting well huh.....

Let's take a glimpse of all of the recruits of F.A.G since he's been here:

2011 class (his smallest class)
Ranked 33rd....tell me if you know these guys (Ricardo Williams, Gionni Paul, Antonio Kinard, Eddie Johnson, Corey King, Darius Smith)
That's right, none of them our on this team anymore. Johnson and Paul were kicked off the team (causing depth issues on the lb front)
Corey King is a JAG...Smith, Williams, Kinard...your guess is as good as mine.

2012 class (his best class)
Ranked 9th (Jawand Blue, Jacoby Briscoe, Jontavious Carter, Gary Crow, Vernon Davis, Preston Dewey, Danny Dillard, Nate Dortch, Dwayne Hoilett, Larry Hope, Dequan Ivery, Angelo Jean-Louis, David Thompson, Gabriel Terry, Jake O'Donnell)
Half of the guys on this list didn't make it in, some were kicked off, some went to other sports, some are just JAGs....on paper, this was the 9th ranked class, but half of that class ain't here...once again, depletion of depth.

2013 class (a top 15 class)
(Beau Sandland, Kevin Olsen, Sonny Odogwu, Ray Ray III, Derrick Griffin, Devante Bond, AQM)
only one of these guys are still on this team and he's the biggest (literally) JAG on the team. 2 never made it in, one was kicked off the team, the other was dang near kick off the team, and the other transfered. 37% of this class, no show....once again creating depth issues.

2014 class (a top 15 class)
jury is still out.

so far under Golden's "expertise" in recruitng, we've had 6 players dismissed from this team for OFF THE FIELD ISSUES. We've had a whole slew of JAGs and players that transferred to other schools. Out of the 98 recruits we've had during his tenure, 30% of his classes are not here. Are you telling me that this program is really in better shape now? We have safeties who are afraid to tackle...they have a rb coming at them full speed and they are back peddling. We have 5 star recruits playing like they were 2 star. We have 4 star recruits playing like they were unranked. Randy was a hot mess b/c the guy gave two F's about the Offensive side of the ball, but Golden gives 2 F's about this team in general (see him trying to leave us for PSU.) Please don't make general statements w/o facts suppporting your statements.
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Preach the truth. This relentless recruiter. The program is worst. We had one off the field issue under Randy...that was in the legal system and it was Marve situation.
 
If you compare records, Randy and Al look similar. Besides that, there are major differences.

I am more of the type that likes to evaluate a coach on wins and losses, but there are a lot more job evaluation metrics for a head coach than that. You can simplify this to a black and white issue, but that is looking at a complicated matter in simpleton terms.
 
Rellyrell said:
SFbayCane said:
The Randy meme fits the situation for those who think it can be used to get Al fired. That said, there's little truth to it. The program is way better off now than when Al took over. Randy had zero idea how to recruit. He recruited like a fat girl trying to get a prom date. We had huge holes in the roster. I give Al a ton of credit for keeping things together in 2011 and 2012. THAT is what Al is good at. Now that the wave has passed, its time to win. And THAT is what Al is not so good at.
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lol....

Al recruiting well huh.....

Let's take a glimpse of all of the recruits of F.A.G since he's been here:

2011 class (his smallest class)
Ranked 33rd....tell me if you know these guys (Ricardo Williams, Gionni Paul, Antonio Kinard, Eddie Johnson, Corey King, Darius Smith)
That's right, none of them our on this team anymore. Johnson and Paul were kicked off the team (causing depth issues on the lb front)
Corey King is a JAG...Smith, Williams, Kinard...your guess is as good as mine.

2012 class (his best class)
Ranked 9th (Jawand Blue, Jacoby Briscoe, Jontavious Carter, Gary Crow, Vernon Davis, Preston Dewey, Danny Dillard, Nate Dortch, Dwayne Hoilett, Larry Hope, Dequan Ivery, Angelo Jean-Louis, David Thompson, Gabriel Terry, Jake O'Donnell)
Half of the guys on this list didn't make it in, some were kicked off, some went to other sports, some are just JAGs....on paper, this was the 9th ranked class, but half of that class ain't here...once again, depletion of depth.

2013 class (a top 15 class)
(Beau Sandland, Kevin Olsen, Sonny Odogwu, Ray Ray III, Derrick Griffin, Devante Bond, AQM)
only one of these guys are still on this team and he's the biggest (literally) JAG on the team. 2 never made it in, one was kicked off the team, the other was dang near kick off the team, and the other transfered. 37% of this class, no show....once again creating depth issues.

2014 class (a top 15 class)
jury is still out.

so far under Golden's "expertise" in recruitng, we've had 6 players dismissed from this team for OFF THE FIELD ISSUES. We've had a whole slew of JAGs and players that transferred to other schools. Out of the 98 recruits we've had during his tenure, 30% of his classes are not here. Are you telling me that this program is really in better shape now? We have safeties who are afraid to tackle...they have a rb coming at them full speed and they are back peddling. We have 5 star recruits playing like they were 2 star. We have 4 star recruits playing like they were unranked. Randy was a hot mess b/c the guy gave two F's about the Offensive side of the ball, but Golden gives 2 F's about this team in general (see him trying to leave us for PSU.) Please don't make general statements w/o facts suppporting your statements.
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Well ****..Really no arguing this. This is just sad. Some of those names I totally forgot we even had on the team. My god some of these players totally ruined our depth.
 
I agree Golden needs to be on the hot seat.

HOWEVER, pro-Shannon guys need to relax. That guy was a TERRIBLE coach and LAZY recruiter. Dont you guys remember him saying Miami fans shouldnt expect more than 7-9 wins from Miami yearly on the radio? great coordinator, not miami-quality HC (atleast shouldnt be)
 
I wasn't taking the position that RS shouldn't have been fired. My position is Golden criticized RS teams for lacking mental toughness and being unprepared, yet after 4 years, thats exactly where AG's team is. If those characteristics provided a good reason to fire RS why are they not a good reason to fire AG?
 
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Rellyrell said:
SFbayCane said:
The Randy meme fits the situation for those who think it can be used to get Al fired. That said, there's little truth to it. The program is way better off now than when Al took over. Randy had zero idea how to recruit. He recruited like a fat girl trying to get a prom date. We had huge holes in the roster. I give Al a ton of credit for keeping things together in 2011 and 2012. THAT is what Al is good at. Now that the wave has passed, its time to win. And THAT is what Al is not so good at.
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Al recruiting well huh.....

Let's take a glimpse of all of the recruits of F.A.G since he's been here:

2011 class (his smallest class)
Ranked 33rd....tell me if you know these guys (Ricardo Williams, Gionni Paul, Antonio Kinard, Eddie Johnson, Corey King, Darius Smith)
That's right, none of them our on this team anymore. Johnson and Paul were kicked off the team (causing depth issues on the lb front)
Corey King is a JAG...Smith, Williams, Kinard...your guess is as good as mine.

2012 class (his best class)
Ranked 9th (Jawand Blue, Jacoby Briscoe, Jontavious Carter, Gary Crow, Vernon Davis, Preston Dewey, Danny Dillard, Nate Dortch, Dwayne Hoilett, Larry Hope, Dequan Ivery, Angelo Jean-Louis, David Thompson, Gabriel Terry, Jake O'Donnell)
Half of the guys on this list didn't make it in, some were kicked off, some went to other sports, some are just JAGs....on paper, this was the 9th ranked class, but half of that class ain't here...once again, depletion of depth.

2013 class (a top 15 class)
(Beau Sandland, Kevin Olsen, Sonny Odogwu, Ray Ray III, Derrick Griffin, Devante Bond, AQM)
only one of these guys are still on this team and he's the biggest (literally) JAG on the team. 2 never made it in, one was kicked off the team, the other was dang near kick off the team, and the other transfered. 37% of this class, no show....once again creating depth issues.

2014 class (a top 15 class)
jury is still out.

so far under Golden's "expertise" in recruitng, we've had 6 players dismissed from this team for OFF THE FIELD ISSUES. We've had a whole slew of JAGs and players that transferred to other schools. Out of the 98 recruits we've had during his tenure, 30% of his classes are not here. Are you telling me that this program is really in better shape now? We have safeties who are afraid to tackle...they have a rb coming at them full speed and they are back peddling. We have 5 star recruits playing like they were 2 star. We have 4 star recruits playing like they were unranked. Randy was a hot mess b/c the guy gave two F's about the Offensive side of the ball, but Golden gives 2 F's about this team in general (see him trying to leave us for PSU.) Please don't make general statements w/o facts suppporting your statements.
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What an outstanding post WOW..
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Literally the only thing he has done since he has been here is get a good hair cut and speak well. He has failed in every other aspect of his job
WOW

Also incredible that no professional journalist can ever dif **** like this up.

Lastly if you still support AG or this staff...give me your address, I want to come by and literally strangle you
 
WhatTheHell said:
I'm actually surprised LRG hasn't had that "I better pipe down for a while, I've been wrong about literally everything" moment yet.

In his pathetic attempt to continue defending his hero and attempting to buy him time, he forgets that Shannon took over:

- For a team that just had a player murdered in an execution style
- A program that was being destroyed in the media for their on-the-field brawl -- "THUG U" was being tossed around again
- An offense that finished 87th in the country
- An offense with so little skill position depth that Punter Brian Monroe played first team WR in the Spring Game

The only REDEEMING thing about that team was that it finished 7th in the country in total defense the year before -- the unit he was responsible for.


Golden was took over a roster with 13 kids that will/would go on to play in the NFL.

"Oh boo hoo the NCAA is LOOKING at us -- not even handing down any actual sanctions yet that'll hurt us, they're just LOOOKING into it" Get that **** **** out of here.
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who's defending golden? the uva loss is inexcusable. Now the fact that i can be logical has no bearing on that. I think the admin will give him leeway because of randy being terrible and the shapiro stuff.. sorry, the pata stuff had zero people on ESPN talking about death penalty to the program, and the randy was part of the issue from what he inherited, so i don't want to hear that noise either.
 
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