Tracy Howard

[BigDikCane]

made it to the pros despite playing in a scheme that neutered him and for a coaching staff that set him up to fail

probably would've been a 2nd round pick if he'd gone to alabama

Artie burns went in the 1 st round so explain the difference

 

[LuCane]

Lol at people trying to rationalize it by it being the Browns like they aren't a NFL team. Pretty sure most of you said he wouldn't make a NFL roster period, not unless it's the Browns. Stop with spinning.

Exactly. Come ******* on. It's an NFL roster. They keep 53 total players. It's a big ******* deal to even hang around these rosters. We had a disproportionate amount of guys stick.

 

[LuCane]

made it to the pros despite playing in a scheme that neutered him and for a coaching staff that set him up to fail

probably would've been a 2nd round pick if he'd gone to alabama

Artie burns went in the 1 st round so explain the difference

The difference is physical attributes. Tracy would unlikely have been a 2nd rounder, but perhaps a 5th under a real coaching staff. Either way, the metric to look at is whether players stick to NFL rosters. If you have a college roster full of guys who'll have NFL jobs, you have to win m'f'in college football games.

It makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[Canezum5]

made it to the pros despite playing in a scheme that neutered him and for a coaching staff that set him up to fail

probably would've been a 2nd round pick if he'd gone to alabama

Artie burns went in the 1 st round so explain the difference

Artie is bigger faster and stronger. He was a POTENTIAL pick because of his intangibles.

You really can't compare. And by all accounts Artie is struggling a bit.

 

[Canezum5]

made it to the pros despite playing in a scheme that neutered him and for a coaching staff that set him up to fail

probably would've been a 2nd round pick if he'd gone to alabama

Artie burns went in the 1 st round so explain the difference

The difference is physical attributes. Tracy would unlikely have been a 2nd rounder, but perhaps a 5th under a real coaching staff. Either way, the metric to look at is whether players stick to NFL rosters. If you have a college roster full of guys who'll have NFL jobs, you have to win m'f'in college football games.

It makes me sick to my stomach.

Talk that talk LU!! You're one of the ONLY people i agree with on this board. We have some of the dumbest/ irrational fans.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Good cover 3 corner but he was overrated coming out of high school

Over rated yet he made he NFL stfu

 

[MetiSkeemz]

That's great considering everything I read stated he wouldn't. Mainly cause of an injury.


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[jw410]

Let's see him stick to a roster and actually play.. Not be a Laron Byrd who bounces from practice squad to practice squad. Same guys sucking off Chickillo. Let's see him start a game before we crown him.

 

[The Franchise]

There's a reason D'Oritos is coaching optimist football and Folden is a lowly position coach on a staff that will be fired in a few weeks.

 

[LuCane]

Let's see him stick to a roster and actually play.. Not be a Laron Byrd who bounces from practice squad to practice squad. Same guys sucking off Chickillo. Let's see him start a game before we crown him.

Straw man argument. No one is "crowning him" as anything other than a player who made an NFL roster. You were one of the guys who didn't think we had a roster full of NFL players, I take it?

How many guys from VA, PITT, Duke and all the other teams who looked better than us and even beat us are merely "bouncing around" the NFL?

The point you seem to be missing is that he looked far worse here than he should have. No, he's not a star and who knows how long he sticks around in the NFL. But, he's made an NFL team, which is more than some of the guys he faced and lost to can say.

 

[MedleyCane]

Let's see him stick to a roster and actually play.. Not be a Laron Byrd who bounces from practice squad to practice squad. Same guys sucking off Chickillo. Let's see him start a game before we crown him.

What's with that?
Did Howard run over your puppy?

 

[User-4525]

I give Howard (or his agent) credit for signing with the Browns. Terrific handicapping. It was already well known that Gilbert was a bust and would likely be traded or cut. Kiper described the Cleveland roster as a glorified expansion team.

I always have to wonder about undrafted free agents who sign with teams already well stocked at the position. Waived players do not get picked up by other teams.That's the forever ongoing malarkey during exhibition telecasts. You aren't auditioning for anyone else. The rest of the league doesn't care about you, with very few exceptions. The key is to identify that ideal team from the outset immediately after the draft. Howard's choice enabled some margin for error. He didn't have to be top NFL caliber. He needed to be current Cleveland caliber.

Thurston Armbrister was waived and picked up. And so were a bunch of other guys.

 

[CANE1775]

As Kyle stated, waived players get picked up all of the time. On fact, players that barely make the initial cut are still nervous as heck until everyone clears waivers because it's not uncommon for a team to pick up a player that was cut by another team.
Now on to the original point of this thread, congrats to Tracy, and smh at you guys that are trying to discredit him by saying it's Cleveland.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

If you have a college roster full of guys who'll have NFL jobs, you have to win m'f'in college football games.

Yep.

Problem was, we were trying to run an NFL defense ("The Seattle defense" LOL), designed & staffed to beat NFL offenses.

That scheme was too high end/expensive for what we were facing...just a classic case of imagining $h!t that doesn't exist.

 

[jw410]

Let's see him stick to a roster and actually play.. Not be a Laron Byrd who bounces from practice squad to practice squad. Same guys sucking off Chickillo. Let's see him start a game before we crown him.

What's with that?
Did Howard run over your puppy?

Medley Cane---- I don't have a dog. I don't have to crown a former 5 star for making the Cleveland browns practice squad. You can certainly crown him and celebrate his accomplishments. When he signs his next contract I will be the first to congratulate.

 

[CANE1775]

If you have a college roster full of guys who'll have NFL jobs, you have to win m'f'in college football games.

Yep.

Problem was, we were trying to run an NFL defense ("The Seattle defense" LOL), designed & staffed to beat NFL offenses.

That scheme was too high end/expensive for what we were facing...just a classic case of imagining $h!t that doesn't exist.

And to be clear, it wasn't even Seattle's defense. It's like saying a pit bull and a chihuahua are the same simply because they're both dogs.

 

[jw410]

Let's see him stick to a roster and actually play.. Not be a Laron Byrd who bounces from practice squad to practice squad. Same guys sucking off Chickillo. Let's see him start a game before we crown him.

Straw man argument. No one is "crowning him" as anything other than a player who made an NFL roster. You were one of the guys who didn't think we had a roster full of NFL players, I take it?

How many guys from VA, PITT, Duke and all the other teams who looked better than us and even beat us are merely "bouncing around" the NFL?

The point you seem to be missing is that he looked far worse here than he should have. No, he's not a star and who knows how long he sticks around in the NFL. But, he's made an NFL team, which is more than some of the guys he faced and lost to can say.

Lu you can crown him I will not call this a straw man's argument. I will say that merely making a practice squad does not designate one to have made it in the NFL. Go ask DVD how long that will last. Ray Ray Armstrong can also give Tracy some insight.

So you mean to tell me Lu that Tracy takes no responsibility for his bonehead plays and missed tackles while he played at Miami. Could it possibly be that he had a "job" on the line like so many others people and he adapted to this "job" because this is how he plans on making a living.

You can spin this conversation anyway you like. I am not going to crown him for making a practice squad. But I will save this conversation and let's revisit it in a few years and see if he is still in the league.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

So you mean to tell me Lu that Tracy takes no responsibility for his bonehead plays and missed tackles while he played at Miami.

LOL...please, as if Burns & Gunther didn't make boneheaded plays...****, people were writing off Burns until He happened to blow up last year.

Face it buddy, the skeem was ***.

 

[LuCane]

Let's see him stick to a roster and actually play.. Not be a Laron Byrd who bounces from practice squad to practice squad. Same guys sucking off Chickillo. Let's see him start a game before we crown him.

Straw man argument. No one is "crowning him" as anything other than a player who made an NFL roster. You were one of the guys who didn't think we had a roster full of NFL players, I take it?

How many guys from VA, PITT, Duke and all the other teams who looked better than us and even beat us are merely "bouncing around" the NFL?

The point you seem to be missing is that he looked far worse here than he should have. No, he's not a star and who knows how long he sticks around in the NFL. But, he's made an NFL team, which is more than some of the guys he faced and lost to can say.

Lu you can crown him I will not call this a straw man's argument. I will say that merely making a practice squad does not designate one to have made it in the NFL. Go ask DVD how long that will last. Ray Ray Armstrong can also give Tracy some insight.

So you mean to tell me Lu that Tracy takes no responsibility for his bonehead plays and missed tackles while he played at Miami. Could it possibly be that he had a "job" on the line like so many others people and he adapted to this "job" because this is how he plans on making a living.

You can spin this conversation anyway you like. I am not going to crown him for making a practice squad. But I will save this conversation and let's revisit it in a few years and see if he is still in the league.

It sounds like you're the only one spinning. Tracy made an NFL team. No one but you is labeling that as "crowning him."

Perhaps you don't understand the definition of a straw man argument. Since I am not arguing that Tracy should have been a star, will be a star in the NFL or even stick around for multiple years, and you are assigning that argument to me so that you can take it down, you are creating a straw man argument.

The mere point many are trying to make is that he made an NFL team, which is further evidence that, playing against and losing to guys who can't make NFL teams, maybe you should hold his coaches accountable for making their players look worse than what they were and are.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Let's see him stick to a roster and actually play.. Not be a Laron Byrd who bounces from practice squad to practice squad. Same guys sucking off Chickillo. Let's see him start a game before we crown him.

Straw man argument. No one is "crowning him" as anything other than a player who made an NFL roster. You were one of the guys who didn't think we had a roster full of NFL players, I take it?

How many guys from VA, PITT, Duke and all the other teams who looked better than us and even beat us are merely "bouncing around" the NFL?

The point you seem to be missing is that he looked far worse here than he should have. No, he's not a star and who knows how long he sticks around in the NFL. But, he's made an NFL team, which is more than some of the guys he faced and lost to can say.

Lu you can crown him I will not call this a straw man's argument. I will say that merely making a practice squad does not designate one to have made it in the NFL. Go ask DVD how long that will last. Ray Ray Armstrong can also give Tracy some insight.

So you mean to tell me Lu that Tracy takes no responsibility for his bonehead plays and missed tackles while he played at Miami. Could it possibly be that he had a "job" on the line like so many others people and he adapted to this "job" because this is how he plans on making a living.

You can spin this conversation anyway you like. I am not going to crown him for making a practice squad. But I will save this conversation and let's revisit it in a few years and see if he is still in the league.

Player development is on coaching, stop blaming kids for the lack of coaching at Miami .