Tracy Howard

[canesthing3]

Don't worry guys, if Tracy is still in the league in a couple years, the narrative will change to something like "How many pro bowls has he made, he's a 5 star for ***** sake". People hate being wrong.

 

[Canezum5]

Let's see him stick to a roster and actually play.. Not be a Laron Byrd who bounces from practice squad to practice squad. Same guys sucking off Chickillo. Let's see him start a game before we crown him.

Straw man argument. No one is "crowning him" as anything other than a player who made an NFL roster. You were one of the guys who didn't think we had a roster full of NFL players, I take it?

How many guys from VA, PITT, Duke and all the other teams who looked better than us and even beat us are merely "bouncing around" the NFL?

The point you seem to be missing is that he looked far worse here than he should have. No, he's not a star and who knows how long he sticks around in the NFL. But, he's made an NFL team, which is more than some of the guys he faced and lost to can say.

Lu you can crown him I will not call this a straw man's argument. I will say that merely making a practice squad does not designate one to have made it in the NFL. Go ask DVD how long that will last. Ray Ray Armstrong can also give Tracy some insight.

So you mean to tell me Lu that Tracy takes no responsibility for his bonehead plays and missed tackles while he played at Miami. Could it possibly be that he had a "job" on the line like so many others people and he adapted to this "job" because this is how he plans on making a living.

You can spin this conversation anyway you like. I am not going to crown him for making a practice squad. But I will save this conversation and let's revisit it in a few years and see if he is still in the league.

It sounds like you're the only one spinning. Tracy made an NFL team. No one but you is labeling that as "crowning him."

Perhaps you don't understand the definition of a straw man argument. Since I am not arguing that Tracy should have been a star, will be a star in the NFL or even stick around for multiple years, and you are assigning that argument to me so that you can take it down, you are creating a straw man argument.

The mere point many are trying to make is that he made an NFL team, which is further evidence that, playing against and losing to guys who can't make NFL teams, maybe you should hold his coaches accountable for making their players look worse than what they were and are.

This place lives off of straw man arguments, bad reading comprehension, and just flat out putting words in people's fingers.

Its comical.

 

[nwFL Griz]

Some one....(cough) jw410 (cough)...doesn't understand the difference between practice squad and 53 man roster.

Tracy is not on the Cleveland Browns practice squad. He is on the 53 man roster. Huge difference.

 

[MedleyCane]

Let's see him stick to a roster and actually play.. Not be a Laron Byrd who bounces from practice squad to practice squad. Same guys sucking off Chickillo. Let's see him start a game before we crown him.

What's with that?
Did Howard run over your puppy?

Medley Cane---- I don't have a dog. I don't have to crown a former 5 star for making the Cleveland browns practice squad. You can certainly crown him and celebrate his accomplishments. When he signs his next contract I will be the first to congratulate.

This is a Cane board with (allegedly) Cane fans.
I don't see why you have to jump on fellow Cane fans for being happy about a former
player making it to an NFL roster.
And, yes, it is a big deal as even being on a NFL roster is a very exclusive feat.
If you can't appreciate this accomplishment by one of ours, then you need to follow
another program - probably an NFL program, because you don't get it with
regards to being a college football fan.

 

[Crimpy]

I give Howard (or his agent) credit for signing with the Browns. Terrific handicapping. It was already well known that Gilbert was a bust and would likely be traded or cut. Kiper described the Cleveland roster as a glorified expansion team.

I always have to wonder about undrafted free agents who sign with teams already well stocked at the position. Waived players do not get picked up by other teams. That's the forever ongoing malarkey during exhibition telecasts. You aren't auditioning for anyone else. The rest of the league doesn't care about you, with very few exceptions. The key is to identify that ideal team from the outset immediately after the draft. Howard's choice enabled some margin for error. He didn't have to be top NFL caliber. He needed to be current Cleveland caliber.

That's great. And I would say to you that the current Cleveland Browns would smash any college team out there. So... If Howard can make that roster, then he should have been doing much more while he was here.

 

[poncho0091]

It's pretty sad how many so called Cane fans here are so determined to be right that they won't give credit where it's due. Think about this situation. We have a 5 star guy who based on performance on the field was considered undraftable and was constantly bashed by Cane fans for being a scrub as well as regular statements he could never make a team. He signs with a team and he makes the final roster, likely over guys who were drafted (not sure who's been cut). Now instead of just saying they were wrong and maybe our coaches were just that bad, they gotta dig in and change their argument or tell everyone they are crowning him (not a single person here has stated he's a stud all of a sudden). This is the same issue with Chickillo. People are happy he proved the doubters wrong and is slowly working his way up, and people think we are crowning him. Why aren't you all complaining about Sam Shields? He was **** here.

As far as I'm concerned, guys like Howard, Chick, and Shields already won once they made a roster. Despite **** poor coaching staffs holding them back, they still made it. How long they stay in the league means nothing at this point.

 

[Utoronto]

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That pic is so awesome! Not sure where you found it or if it's been on here before but please keep using it.

Would be a great addition to the "Smileys".

 

[Coach Macho]

Who thought he wouldn't make an NFL roster though?

He wasn't bad here, he just didn't play up to his ranking. He was still good/serviceable and it's not a surprise that he made an NFL roster.

It's not his fault that he was overrated. Whoever issues the stars/rankings shouldn't have had him so high IMO. I don't think he was ruined here, I just think he was ranked too high. He's a small Corner with big Corner's speed (skill set).

 

[Coach Macho]

As far as I'm concerned, guys like Howard, Chick, and Shields already won once they made a roster. Despite **** poor coaching staffs holding them back, they still made it. How long they stay in the league means nothing at this point.

Shield's coaching staff is 100% responsible for his success though. They moved him to CB. He only played one season at CB here. It wasn't like he underachieved.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Who thought he wouldn't make an NFL roster though?

He wasn't bad here, he just didn't play up to his ranking. He was still good/serviceable and it's not a surprise that he made an NFL roster.

It's not his fault that he was overrated. Whoever issues the stars/rankings shouldn't have had him so high IMO. I don't think he was ruined here, I just think he was ranked too high. He's a small Corner with big Corner's speed (skill set).

you are right theres no other way to slice it, he was over rated and the big three went hard at him like he was a five star. saban didnt period end of story, if the kids had speed it would change his whole game but CM is right if u can play db u can play db

 

[Coach Macho]

made it to the pros despite playing in a scheme that neutered him and for a coaching staff that set him up to fail

probably would've been a 2nd round pick if he'd gone to alabama

Artie burns went in the 1 st round so explain the difference

Artie is bigger faster and stronger. He was a POTENTIAL pick because of his intangibles.

You really can't compare. And by all accounts Artie is struggling a bit.

NFL scouts found those attributes when they ran Burns' film. So what happened when they ran Howard's film? They didn't see the size, speed or footwork that warranted a draft pick.

The fact that Burns' was drafted in the 1st completely ruins the whole "Howard was ruined by this staff" theory.

 

[deerob305]

As far as I'm concerned, guys like Howard, Chick, and Shields already won once they made a roster. Despite **** poor coaching staffs holding them back, they still made it. How long they stay in the league means nothing at this point.

Shield's coaching staff is 100% responsible for his success though. They moved him to CB. He only played one season at CB here. It wasn't like he underachieved.

How are they responsible when the Green Bay Corner backs coach came out and said Shields had the worst technique he has ever seen in a CB??? They transformed him, not UM

 

[Coach Macho]

Who thought he wouldn't make an NFL roster though?

He wasn't bad here, he just didn't play up to his ranking. He was still good/serviceable and it's not a surprise that he made an NFL roster.

It's not his fault that he was overrated. Whoever issues the stars/rankings shouldn't have had him so high IMO. I don't think he was ruined here, I just think he was ranked too high. He's a small Corner with big Corner's speed (skill set).

you are right theres no other way to slice it, he was over rated and the big three went hard at him like he was a five star. saban didnt period end of story, if the kids had speed it would change his whole game but CM is right if u can play db u can play db

Just to put Howard's measureables in perspective I'll use a player I know personally...

Tracy Howard right now is about 5'10"-5'11" 185lbs and runs about mid-4.5 to low-4.6 forty.
The CB I know - as a RS Freshman was 5'10" 187lbs and ran a 4.42 electronic forty (and has better feet).

Howard was a 5-star.
Other kid was a 3-star.
They're nearly the same exact size only one is much quicker.

The kid I know probably won't even be on the NFL's radar by the time he enters his Senior year due to his lack of size. (despite his speed) Yet, we expect Tracy Howard, who's the same size and a couple ticks slower on the clock, to be a high NFL draft pick?

Point I'm making is, Howard's measureables are very pedestrian. There's a lot of CB's in college football with his size, speed and skill set.

 

[Coach Macho]

As far as I'm concerned, guys like Howard, Chick, and Shields already won once they made a roster. Despite **** poor coaching staffs holding them back, they still made it. How long they stay in the league means nothing at this point.

Shield's coaching staff is 100% responsible for his success though. They moved him to CB. He only played one season at CB here. It wasn't like he underachieved.

How are they responsible when the Green Bay Corner backs coach came out and said Shields had the worst technique he has ever seen in a CB??? They transformed him, not UM

Uh, cause he would've never been a CB if Miami's staff didn't move him there. LOL

Of course his technique was bad. He only trained at the position for a year.

 

[DiegoCane]

Who thought he wouldn't make an NFL roster though?

He wasn't bad here, he just didn't play up to his ranking. He was still good/serviceable and it's not a surprise that he made an NFL roster.

It's not his fault that he was overrated. Whoever issues the stars/rankings shouldn't have had him so high IMO. I don't think he was ruined here, I just think he was ranked too high. He's a small Corner with big Corner's speed (skill set).

You didn't think he would.

You have dogged him the whole time while saying the staff didn't effect his performance.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Who thought he wouldn't make an NFL roster though?

He wasn't bad here, he just didn't play up to his ranking. He was still good/serviceable and it's not a surprise that he made an NFL roster.

It's not his fault that he was overrated. Whoever issues the stars/rankings shouldn't have had him so high IMO. I don't think he was ruined here, I just think he was ranked too high. He's a small Corner with big Corner's speed (skill set).

you are right theres no other way to slice it, he was over rated and the big three went hard at him like he was a five star. saban didnt period end of story, if the kids had speed it would change his whole game but CM is right if u can play db u can play db

Just to put Howard's measureables in perspective I'll use a player I know personally...

Tracy Howard right now is about 5'10"-5'11" 185lbs and runs about mid-4.5 to low-4.6 forty.
The CB I know - as a RS Freshman was 5'10" 187lbs and ran a 4.42 electronic forty (and has better feet).

Howard was a 5-star.
Other kid was a 3-star.
They're nearly the same exact size only one is much quicker.

The kid I know probably won't even be on the NFL's radar by the time he enters his Senior year due to his lack of size. (despite his speed) Yet, we expect Tracy Howard, who's the same size and a couple ticks slower on the clock, to be a high NFL draft pick?

Point I'm making is, Howard's measureables are very pedestrian. There's a lot of CB's in college football with his size, speed and skill set.

what u think of trajan that kid can ball

 

[Coach Macho]

Who thought he wouldn't make an NFL roster though?

He wasn't bad here, he just didn't play up to his ranking. He was still good/serviceable and it's not a surprise that he made an NFL roster.

It's not his fault that he was overrated. Whoever issues the stars/rankings shouldn't have had him so high IMO. I don't think he was ruined here, I just think he was ranked too high. He's a small Corner with big Corner's speed (skill set).

You didn't think he would.

You have dogged him the whole time while saying the staff didn't effect his performance.

GTFOH. I never said he wouldn't make an NFL roster.

I haven't dogged him either, I simply said he wasn't as good as advertised. I also said that this scheme (that supposedly ruined him) put him in every kind of coverage imaginable. There should be plenty of tape of him playing Cover-2, Cover-3, Cover-4, Man-Press, etc etc etc. Plenty of opportunity to show his worth. (which is what happened with Burns)

The consensus on here was that our scheme ruined him and that he was a press-man CB. Ridiculous assumption. He got roasted when he played press-man here.

The scheme can't ruin one guy but then allow enough tape for another guy (Burns) to get drafted in the 1st. If Burns got drafted due to his measureables then Howard could've too. (if he had any)

 

[Coach Macho]

Who thought he wouldn't make an NFL roster though?

He wasn't bad here, he just didn't play up to his ranking. He was still good/serviceable and it's not a surprise that he made an NFL roster.

It's not his fault that he was overrated. Whoever issues the stars/rankings shouldn't have had him so high IMO. I don't think he was ruined here, I just think he was ranked too high. He's a small Corner with big Corner's speed (skill set).

you are right theres no other way to slice it, he was over rated and the big three went hard at him like he was a five star. saban didnt period end of story, if the kids had speed it would change his whole game but CM is right if u can play db u can play db

Just to put Howard's measureables in perspective I'll use a player I know personally...

Tracy Howard right now is about 5'10"-5'11" 185lbs and runs about mid-4.5 to low-4.6 forty.
The CB I know - as a RS Freshman was 5'10" 187lbs and ran a 4.42 electronic forty (and has better feet).

Howard was a 5-star.
Other kid was a 3-star.
They're nearly the same exact size only one is much quicker.

The kid I know probably won't even be on the NFL's radar by the time he enters his Senior year due to his lack of size. (despite his speed) Yet, we expect Tracy Howard, who's the same size and a couple ticks slower on the clock, to be a high NFL draft pick?

Point I'm making is, Howard's measureables are very pedestrian. There's a lot of CB's in college football with his size, speed and skill set.

what u think of trajan that kid can ball

I love him! He's a more physical version of Dowels. (who I thought we should've offered a couple years ago)

 

[ILCane2011]

Who thought he wouldn't make an NFL roster though?

He wasn't bad here, he just didn't play up to his ranking. He was still good/serviceable and it's not a surprise that he made an NFL roster.

It's not his fault that he was overrated. Whoever issues the stars/rankings shouldn't have had him so high IMO. I don't think he was ruined here, I just think he was ranked too high. He's a small Corner with big Corner's speed (skill set).

you are right theres no other way to slice it, he was over rated and the big three went hard at him like he was a five star. saban didnt period end of story, if the kids had speed it would change his whole game but CM is right if u can play db u can play db

Just to put Howard's measureables in perspective I'll use a player I know personally...

Tracy Howard right now is about 5'10"-5'11" 185lbs and runs about mid-4.5 to low-4.6 forty.
The CB I know - as a RS Freshman was 5'10" 187lbs and ran a 4.42 electronic forty (and has better feet).

Howard was a 5-star.
Other kid was a 3-star.
They're nearly the same exact size only one is much quicker.

The kid I know probably won't even be on the NFL's radar by the time he enters his Senior year due to his lack of size. (despite his speed) Yet, we expect Tracy Howard, who's the same size and a couple ticks slower on the clock, to be a high NFL draft pick?

Point I'm making is, Howard's measureables are very pedestrian. There's a lot of CB's in college football with his size, speed and skill set.

You're seriously calling Howard small?

Ever seen him with his shirt off? He has the body of a Greek God.

He might not be a rangy 6'2" CB, but he has good enough size, speed, and hips to play in the NFL

 

[Coach Macho]

Who thought he wouldn't make an NFL roster though?

He wasn't bad here, he just didn't play up to his ranking. He was still good/serviceable and it's not a surprise that he made an NFL roster.

It's not his fault that he was overrated. Whoever issues the stars/rankings shouldn't have had him so high IMO. I don't think he was ruined here, I just think he was ranked too high. He's a small Corner with big Corner's speed (skill set).

you are right theres no other way to slice it, he was over rated and the big three went hard at him like he was a five star. saban didnt period end of story, if the kids had speed it would change his whole game but CM is right if u can play db u can play db

Just to put Howard's measureables in perspective I'll use a player I know personally...

Tracy Howard right now is about 5'10"-5'11" 185lbs and runs about mid-4.5 to low-4.6 forty.
The CB I know - as a RS Freshman was 5'10" 187lbs and ran a 4.42 electronic forty (and has better feet).

Howard was a 5-star.
Other kid was a 3-star.
They're nearly the same exact size only one is much quicker.

The kid I know probably won't even be on the NFL's radar by the time he enters his Senior year due to his lack of size. (despite his speed) Yet, we expect Tracy Howard, who's the same size and a couple ticks slower on the clock, to be a high NFL draft pick?

Point I'm making is, Howard's measureables are very pedestrian. There's a lot of CB's in college football with his size, speed and skill set.

You're seriously calling Howard small?

Ever seen him with his shirt off? He has the body of a Greek God.

He might not be a rangy 6'2" CB, but he has good enough size, speed, and hips to play in the NFL

Since when did physique = size?

I don't care what he looks like with his shirt off, he's still only 185lbs. LOL

Every CB in the D-1 college football is shredded. His height, weight and speed are relatively pedestrian.