Tom Brady is leaving New England

Nothing is wrong with what he does. He was very successful at it. But throwing 7 yard crossing routes and dump-offs to your backs doesn’t make you the best athlete in American history, as people laughably say he is. He’s a great QB in an even better system who benefited from improbable luck. He’s not the GOAT of anything. He’s nowhere near the best QB of his own generation. Manning and Rodgers are significantly better players. Never mind the best athlete ever.

So yes, he’s great. Clearly. But based off what he actually is vs what his perception in the media is, he’s the most overrated athlete in sports history.


Going to leave that link there for you to check out. It's a lazy attempt at downplaying how good Brady is by saying he can't throw deep and its been proven incorrect numerous times. Brady could always throw deep and has been effective at it for YEARS contrary to the popular fan narrative. He works the short to mid routes more frequently because they are more efficient throws and keep the chains moving, they result in less frequent turnovers, getting the ball out quickly can negate a pass rush, etc...

The fact that people try and hate on it tells me that they don't appreciate the mental side of the game that Brady was the GOAT at. What separated him was his ability to read the defense and put his players in a position to be where the defense wasn't. There is a reason so many receivers could not have success in his offense, it's because of how much thinking goes into it.

Long story short, I'll take the QB with less physical talent that can make the right read and get it to the open guy, play his best in crunch time, and make those around him better over the QB with a rocket arm or other great physical traits that doesn't get the mental side of things.
 
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Yup. And it absolutely, 1000000% was and is. Belichick is the greatest coach in football history at any level, and probably only rivals John Wooden for the greatest coach of all-time in any sport.

Tom Brady WAS an above average QB, and never even sniffed being anything close to some generational talent. Today, he's more Tom Savage than Tom Brady. Belichick will be more than fine. Brady will go 6-10 in Tampa and retire.
Let's just take a chill pill for a minute mmmmkay
 
How is this ***tard still running around here posting threads? He should’ve been banned awhile ago, This thread tells you he’s a jackass. @RVACane finish him.
We suspect that he’s an alt account for @ST26. He’s currently going through processing in the #KTDT.
 
Yup. And it absolutely, 1000000% was and is. Belichick is the greatest coach in football history at any level, and probably only rivals John Wooden for the greatest coach of all-time in any sport.

Tom Brady WAS an above average QB, and never even sniffed being anything close to some generational talent. Today, he's more Tom Savage than Tom Brady. Belichick will be more than fine. Brady will go 6-10 in Tampa and retire.
How do all of you read things this stupid every day and keep coming back?
 
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1. Tom Brady stumbled *** first into a lucky situation with New England behind Bledsoe with an unfortunate injury occurring at the right time for his career;

2. Tom Brady would likely not have lasted much longer than Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, etc. or most any other QB if he was selected #1 by the Cleveland Browns instead of Courtney Brown...or even by the Browns with their 6th round pick.

3. Because of his fortunate situation, **** solid OLs and great designing of offenses around his skill set, he has earned the right to be called one of the GOAT..... JMO.

1. Took over a team that went 5-11 the previous year. Wouldn't call that a "lucky" situation. Bledsoe getting hurt was lucky for him sure but the team situation wasn't exactly ideal.

2. We will never know if that was the case because he never was taken by those teams.

3. Part of the reason for his OL always seemingly being great was due to him getting rid of the ball extremely quickly. As far as offensive systems are concerned, he literally played in like 5 different types of offenses and went through several OC's through out his career. Run heavy play action oriented offense from 01'-06', Pass heavy Deep shot aerial attack from 07'-10', two tight end sets west coast style offense from 11'-13', and then to a more conventional west coast style offense that emphasized the slot WR from 14'-17', and finally relying more on the running game to set up play action again for the last couple of years.

You can hate him all you want, but give the guy his due. He is the GOAT without question at this point. Calling him "Lucky" or giving all of the credit to his coach, who btw was not a great HC in terms of record before Tom came around, is disingenuous and makes it seem like you are a homer/hater.
 
1. Took over a team that went 5-11 the previous year. Wouldn't call that a "lucky" situation. Bledsoe getting hurt was lucky for him sure but the team situation wasn't exactly ideal.

2. We will never know if that was the case because he never was taken by those teams.

3. Part of the reason for his OL always seemingly being great was due to him getting rid of the ball extremely quickly. As far as offensive systems are concerned, he literally played in like 5 different types of offenses and went through several OC's through out his career. Run heavy play action oriented offense from 01'-06', Pass heavy Deep shot aerial attack from 07'-10', two tight end sets west coast style offense from 11'-13', and then to a more conventional west coast style offense that emphasized the slot WR from 14'-17', and finally relying more on the running game to set up play action again for the last couple of years.

You can hate him all you want, but give the guy his due. He is the GOAT without question at this point. Calling him "Lucky" or giving all of the credit to his coach, who btw was not a great HC in terms of record before Tom came around, is disingenuous and makes it seem like you are a homer/hater.

Who the **** said they hated him? 😂😂😂😂

Defensive much?

Your right, if he was a Cleveland Brown, Bengal, Dolphin, Charger, Jet, etc. he would have been the next John Elway or Bradshaw. 😂😂
 
Who the **** said they hated him? 😂😂😂😂

Defensive much?

Your right, if he was a Cleveland Brown, Bengal, Dolphin, Charger, Jet, etc. he would have been the next John Elway or Bradshaw. 😂😂

More of a general statement lol Typically people who downplay Brady are fans of other teams that hate on him because that makes them feel better about him beating their teams.

He did more with less over his entire career so I'd lean more towards him being good no matter where he went. He always had the work ethic and the mental side of the game down pat. That translates to any system and any team, hence the reason he succeeded under several different offensive systems over his career. Facts are facts my dude.
 
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But that Baltimore offense is ran by Lamar Jackson. To put Stidham in place of the NFL MVP, all pro QB who led the Ravens to the best offense and record in the NFL, and say, "Stidham can run that", come on, bro. Stop.
The Baltimore offense can be run wo Lamar, as its been run wo Lamar before. It's a variation of Roman's offense in San Fran w Kaep.

I might be Lamar's biggest fan on this board. I remember long *** arguments on here when I was saying he was the top Qb in the draft. Others were telling me he wasnt even a first rounder. Even this year I was getting into it w folks up here ****ting on him. He's a stud. You dont have to preach to me about him. But you're crazy if you think only he and he alone can run that and run it well. As w any system you just gotta get the right guy.

A strong run game, OL, dynamic TEs -- all of which NE have (well not TEs, but theyll address that in the draft or free agency) are the major components of what Baltimore does. Lamar takes things to another level w his transcendent abilities.

Stidham ain't on Lamars level. Anyone who thinks that should retire from watching football. But he or another Qb w his skillset could still be successful in a similar system.
 
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The Baltimore offense can be run wo Lamar, as its been run wo Lamar before. It's a variation of Roman's offense in San Fran w Kaep.

I might be Lamar's biggest fan on this board. I remember long *** arguments on here when I was saying he was the top Qb in the draft. Others were telling me he wasnt even a first rounder. Even this year I was getting into it w folks up here ****ting on him. He's a stud. You dont have to preach to me about him. But you're crazy if you think only he and he alone can run that and run it well. As w any system you just gotta get the right guy.

A strong run game, OL, dynamic TEs -- all of which NE have (well not TEs, but theyll address that in the draft or free agency) are the major components of what Baltimore does. Lamar takes things to another level w his transcendent abilities.

Stidham ain't on Lamars level. Anyone who thinks that should retire from watching football. But he or another Qb w his skillset could still be successful in a similar system.

“I’m Lamar’s biggest supporter” but you just said a QB who has 14 career passing yards, 0TDs and 1INT could run his offense. Yeah 🙄
 
“I’m Lamar’s biggest supporter” but you just said a QB who has 14 career passing yards, 0TDs and 1INT could run his offense. Yeah 🙄
How is that knocking what Lamar does? In every post you've quoted me so far in this thread, I've said Stidham is no Lamar. But the Baltimore offense is a system that can be run by qb's besides 8. The pistol has been run successfully since before Lamar Jackson was even swimming in his daddy's nuts. He's far from the only qb capable of making it click. As mentioned, Roman went to the super bowl with a qb who is nowhere near as good as Lamar running the same system.
 

Going to leave that link there for you to check out. It's a lazy attempt at downplaying how good Brady is by saying he can't throw deep and its been proven incorrect numerous times. Brady could always throw deep and has been effective at it for YEARS contrary to the popular fan narrative. He works the short to mid routes more frequently because they are more efficient throws and keep the chains moving, they result in less frequent turnovers, getting the ball out quickly can negate a pass rush, etc...

The fact that people try and hate on it tells me that they don't appreciate the mental side of the game that Brady was the GOAT at. What separated him was his ability to read the defense and put his players in a position to be where the defense wasn't. There is a reason so many receivers could not have success in his offense, it's because of how much thinking goes into it.

Long story short, I'll take the QB with less physical talent that can make the right read and get it to the open guy, play his best in crunch time, and make those around him better over the QB with a rocket arm or other great physical traits that doesn't get the mental side of things.

He's still quite good, but his greatness is waning a bit.

His Completion Percentage Above Expectations over the past few years / and Aggressiveness%. He's a less accurate QB today and he's also less aggressive than he used to be and 2019 was a bit messy.

2016 - +2.7 / 17.6
2017 - +1.5 / 17
2018 - -1.2 / 13.9
2019 - -3.1 / 15.2

The 2019 CPAE number is concerning considering the trend. That number was down there with Eli Manning, Josh Allen, Andy Dalton. Not great. He also had more time in the pocket than in any of the previous three years (2.75s). source, btw https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2019/all

The aggressiveness is interesting, too, considering, I think it was @HighSeas that mentioned Mike Evans and his lack of separation skills.

Also, while I would agree, that Tom Brady is historically a great downfield passer, ProFootballOutsiders paint a different picture of him as a deep ball passer of late Article is slightly dated, and not updated with 2019 numbers, but its a nice contrast to your article which was posted during the same offseason.


He's the GOAT, better than Jameis right now, but its fair to question what he's going to give you, he's clearly got some diminishing skills. This isn't a hot take...he'll be 43 years old to start the season.
 
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Clearwater Beach and St Pete Beach are some of my favorite places to visit.
I think Brady will fall in love with it too.

Los Angeles is overrated and California in general is a dying socialist state with homeless problems.
 
He's still quite good, but his greatness is waning a bit.

His Completion Percentage Above Expectations over the past few years / and Aggressiveness%. He's a less accurate QB today and he's also less aggressive than he used to be and 2019 was a bit messy.

2016 - +2.7 / 17.6
2017 - +1.5 / 17
2018 - -1.2 / 13.9
2019 - -3.1 / 15.2

The 2019 CPAE number is concerning considering the trend. That number was down there with Eli Manning, Josh Allen, Andy Dalton. Not great. He also had more time in the pocket than in any of the previous three years (2.75s). source, btw https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2019/all

The aggressiveness is interesting, too, considering, I think it was @HighSeas that mentioned Mike Evans and his lack of separation skills.

Also, while I would agree, that Tom Brady is historically a great downfield passer, ProFootballOutsiders paint a different picture of him as a deep ball passer of late Article is slightly dated, and not updated with 2019 numbers, but its a nice contrast to your article which was posted during the same offseason.


He's the GOAT, better than Jameis right now, but its fair to question what he's going to give you, he's clearly got some diminishing skills. This isn't a hot take...he'll be 43 years old to start the season.
Agree 100% with what you're saying and he most certainly is showing signs of decline. That being said his "steep decline" is being over exagerated since he had zero weapons and a terrible OL last year. He for sure can't throw the ball deep as well as he used to now but he can still hit a shot when needed. My issue is with people saying Brady has always been just a short passer that just dumps it off to Rb's and WR on screens.
 
He's still quite good, but his greatness is waning a bit.

His Completion Percentage Above Expectations over the past few years / and Aggressiveness%. He's a less accurate QB today and he's also less aggressive than he used to be and 2019 was a bit messy.

2016 - +2.7 / 17.6
2017 - +1.5 / 17
2018 - -1.2 / 13.9
2019 - -3.1 / 15.2

The 2019 CPAE number is concerning considering the trend. That number was down there with Eli Manning, Josh Allen, Andy Dalton. Not great. He also had more time in the pocket than in any of the previous three years (2.75s). source, btw https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2019/all

The aggressiveness is interesting, too, considering, I think it was @HighSeas that mentioned Mike Evans and his lack of separation skills.

Also, while I would agree, that Tom Brady is historically a great downfield passer, ProFootballOutsiders paint a different picture of him as a deep ball passer of late Article is slightly dated, and not updated with 2019 numbers, but its a nice contrast to your article which was posted during the same offseason.


He's the GOAT, better than Jameis right now, but its fair to question what he's going to give you, he's clearly got some diminishing skills. This isn't a hot take...he'll be 43 years old to start the season.

Godwin will be his Edelman++.

Evans will be a situational deep threat for the most part. He's just not reliable when it comes to running good intermediate routes, being in the right spot and attacking the football. Last year was an improvement but not far enough.

Howard can be the big fast Gronk replacement on play action over the middle. He doesn't do all the things Gronk does but he can replace that aspect, and imo he's underrated as a 1on1 guy detached out wide.

Brate is another reliable underneath receiver which is essential. He's a ballwinner who can box out and Brady will take advantage with his ball placement.

Perriman or AB will destroy weaker matchups.

What's missing is the jitterbug receiving back which is where Clyde Edwards Helaire becomes a must get.
 
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