Today's Athletic on "Rebuilds"

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

Addison’s #s r down b/c he’s playing in a “pick ur poison” offense. He’s not the sole target as the ball is spread around. At Pitt, he had 100 receptions, the next closest was Jacques-Louis at 25. Here at SC he’s at 54 receptions, but they have 3 other WRs w/ 30+ receptions (Rice, Washington, & Williams).

It’s real easy when u r the HC & the architect on a side of the ball. Riley had the ultimate gift, a Heisman worthy QB who was already in his system. He had a major leg up, & he’s an offensive mastermind w/ his concepts. If he ever gave a **** about the other side of the ball, he might have some hardware to brag about.

W/ Mario, he’s truly a CEO. He’s neither an offensive or defensive mastermind, but he’s a leader. He absolutely failed on his OC, an OC who tricked us all, but he’ll build us the right way top down.

Williams wasn’t a gift to Riley, he recruited him to ou and then to usc because Williams knew that Riley can get him a possible heisman and a very high draft pick, possibly #1. Mario doesn’t offer anything like that. And it’s comical how you dismiss Riley’s accomplishments (no hardware to brag about), but winning the pac 12 with Herbert , who was actually a gift that mario didn’t recruit, and never making the playoff somehow prove Mario is can’t miss. What does he have for hardware? I thought it was also Interesting that Mario only pulled 1-2 guys from Oregon to come to Miami

and I would say Riley does care about the other side of the ball, since he fired stoops mid season, and Hired grinch who improved them dramatically. were still waiting on Mario to fire the worst oc in memory to protect his delicate ego.

In a nutshell , Mario is a good recruiter and ol coach. He is not some amazing leader or ceo that most fans want to believe he is. I think he is stubborn like many of our past coaches, and will only play ball his way to the detriment of the team

And gattis didn’t fool me or a lot of others, though I didn’t think he would be quite this bad. I said his offenses at Michigan were mediocre before last year when they switched up the staff and he burned bridges in his last two jobs on the way out by demanding credit and deflecting blame…

 

[Rellyrell]

Williams wasn’t a gift to Riley, he recruited him to ou and then to usc because Williams knew that Riley can get him a possible heisman and a very high draft pick, possibly #1. Mario doesn’t offer anything like that. And it’s comical how you dismiss Riley’s accomplishments (no hardware to brag about), but winning the pac 12 with Herbert , who was actually a gift that mario didn’t recruit, and never making the playoff somehow prove Mario is can’t miss. What does he have for hardware? I thought it was also Interesting that Mario only pulled 1-2 guys from Oregon to come to Miami

In a nutshell , he is a good recruiter and ol coach. He is not some amazing leader or ceo that most fans want to believe he is. I think he is stubborn like many of our past coaches, and will only play ball his way to the detriment of the team

And gattis didn’t fool me or a lot of others, though I didn’t think he would be quite this bad. I said his offenses at Michigan were mediocre before last year when they switched up the staff and he burned bridges in his last two jobs on the way out by craving credit and deflecting blame

1. Not nan one time did I discredit Riley’s accomplishments. Like, wtf r u even talking about? I said hardware as in Nat’l titles, genius! I’ve said on numerous occasions that Riley is a better coach than Mario, & I’ve defended Riley more often than not.

2. Do u understand context? Do u understand what “gift” means in the totality of the entire post? Like, bruh r u drunk or something? Yes Williams was a gift coming to SC b/c, wait for it, WILLIAMS IS A GIFTED PLAYER. Of course, Riley recruited him, so I’m not sure why u even brought that up.

3. I have zero idea all this other chit u talking. The point was Riley didn’t even some new wheel that The Athletic, along w/ Colin Cowherd tried to propaganda. He had the perfect crescendo, & u can ask die hard SC fans the same. If u don’t think bringing in a QB1 of ur own from ur system doesn’t jump start ur tenure, u’re a **** fool.

Furthermore, Mario made it very clear that out of respect for UO, he wasn’t going to try to pry guys he recruited to come to Miami; there’s literally nothing that’s interesting about that.

 

[MiamiCanesFan77]

The Mario Apologists will frantically respond with
their usual BS about how the USC and Miami situations are completely different and it is perfectly acceptable to allow an 8 year rebuild for Mario Golden.

 

[Ironmanfootball]

No one expected 11-1, but also no one expected losing to MTSU and being sub .500. There is an area in between USC and Miami, and it's called competence.

 

[Mackmiller974]

Here is the quote. I think Miami and USC are very similar institutions and programs, but they have very dissimilar results now and, it looks like, quite different long term plans. Wonder who is "right".

Remember, USC went 4-8 last season. The Trojans have essentially lit a blowtorch to the concept of the traditional rebuild. As schools across the country make coaching hires with the intention of finding someone who can orchestrate a quick fix, the blueprint USC laid out last offseason will likely be emulated by a few staffs over the next few months.

As the Trojans look to claim their first Pac-12 title since 2017 and secure their first-ever trip to the College Football Playoff, The Athletic spoke to coaches and administrators who have seen USC up close in recent years to examine the factors that have led to the program’s sudden rise. They were granted anonymity so they could speak freely about the program.

“It’s just where college football is now and we’ve never seen it before at this level so that is surprising,” said one former member of the program. “You could have never expected or predicted this a year ago. But that’s just the way it works now with the transfer portal. Every single year now is a new year, a new team, and there are no such things as a rebuild anymore.”

USC situation is different to be fair. USC hired the most sought after offensive minded coach literally in football and I’m not talking about just college. He already had a ton of offensive players in place that would follow him because his scheme would help them put up huge numbers. So he was able to attract the top offensive players in the portal. We just couldn’t do that with Mario because hes not a offensive or defensive wizard. If we tried to follow that path we could of hired Lane Kiffin but I don’t think the results would be as good, we would of probably won 8-9 games.

 

[Samoan Souljah]

I say this respectfully, but this article is full of chit.

The Transfer Portal has been around since 2019, & we were the Godfather of it. Teams eventually started to follow our lead, when it was deemed as unsustainable, initially.

I was talking to my guy at SC last night, & we discussed this. The difference between what Riley did vs. everyone else is that Riley secured the most important position on the field, QB1; but, it wasn’t just any QB1, it was thee #1 QB1 both coming out of HS & The Portal. A QB1 who belonged to the coach who recruited him at his old spot.

U have that same QB1 who was friends w/ WR1 in the Transfer Portal, & WR2 happened to belong to Riley at his old spot, & WR3 is the God Son of SC Royalty. It was literally the perfect crescendo in the portal, nothing revolutionary or “out of the box.”

Yessir. USC is making a strong comeback, and like you pointed out...you need to hit on those important position groups. Hopefully, MC, don't mess around in the portal, and we land some dawgs...because Lord knows we need them at every level. Add this to the list of landing good position coaches who understand social and cultural dynamics. UM is a volcano waiting to explode with recruits nationwide if MC hires a good OC and DC.

 

[Mackmiller974]

The Mario Apologists will frantically respond with
their usual BS about how the USC and Miami situations are completely different and it is perfectly acceptable to allow an 8 year rebuild for Mario Golden.

They are completely different. Lincoln Riley is the most sought after offensive coach in football, he literally attracts the top offensive players in the country via the portal. Mario just can’t do that unfortunately

 

[MiamiCanesFan77]

USC situation is different to be fair. USC hired the most sought after offensive minded coach literally in football and I’m not talking about just college. He already had a ton of offensive players in place that would follow him because his scheme would help them put up huge numbers. So he was able to attract the top offensive players in the portal. We just couldn’t do that with Mario because hes not an offensive or defensive wizard. If we tried to follow that path we could have hired Lane Kiffin but I don’t think the results would be as good, we would have probably won 8-9 games.

What about TCU?

They were 5-7 last season and Sonny Dykes now has them undefeated and on the doorstep of a CFP berth… mostly thanks to his offense.

Miami could have hired an offensive minded HC similar to Lincoln Riley or Sonny Dykes, but instead they hired a “Culture Corch” who wants to employ the Woody Hayes offense.

 

[Mackmiller974]

What about TCU?

They were 5-7 last season and Sonny Dykes now has them undefeated and on the doorstep of a CFP berth… mostly thanks to his offense.

Miami could have hired an offensive minded HC similar to Lincoln Riley or Sonny Dykes, but instead they hired a “Culture Corch” who wants to employ the Woody Hayes offense.

TCU biggest win was a 17-10 victory over Texas, the conference is the weakest conference in football right now. These fools about to play a 9-3 Kansas State team in the conference championship

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

TCU biggest win was a 17-10 victory over Texas, the conference is the weakest conference in football right now. These fools about to play a 9-3 Kansas State team in the conference championship

Utah is 9-3, unc is 9-3, lsu is 9-3, Purdue is 8-4 …all playing in championship games this weekend, so every championship game has a participant with less than 10 wins.

 

[Mackmiller974]

Utah is 9-3, unc is 9-3, lsu is 9-3, Purdue is 8-4 …all playing in championship games this weekend, so every championship game has a participant with less than 10 wins.

I’m mainly referring to the quality of opponent TCU is facing, the big 12 is down bad this year.

 

[MiamiCanesFan77]

I’m mainly referring to the quality of opponent TCU is facing, the big 12 is down bad this year.

The Big 12 is not worse than the ACC this year.

And TCU’s strength of schedule was the 9th hardest in FBS.

Miami’s was 70th.

Your excuses as to why Mario could not have replicated USC or TCU’s immediate success with first year HC’s are coming up short.

Try harder.

 

[Ironmanfootball]

The Big 12 is not worse than the ACC this year.

And TCU’s strength of schedule was the 9th hardest in FBS.

Miami’s was 70th.

Your excuses as to why Mario could not have replicated USC or TCU’s immediate success with first year HC’s are coming up short.

Try harder.

Data or data?

 

[Mackmiller974]

The Big 12 is not worse than the ACC this year.

And TCU’s strength of schedule was the 9th hardest in FBS.

Miami’s was 70th.

Your excuses as to why Mario could not have replicated USC or TCU’s immediate success with first year HC’s are coming up short.

Try harder.

They both had more talent then us, it’s clear as day… We should of won more then 5 games but if you think Mario was going to come here and in year 1 win 11-12 games you were dreaming.

 

[hoops156]

TCU biggest win was a 17-10 victory over Texas, the conference is the weakest conference in football right now. These fools about to play a 9-3 Kansas State team in the conference championship

ACC is pretty **** week man. our division is literally a clown show that we somehow got ripped apart in

 

[hoops156]

They both had more talent then us, it’s clear as day… We should of won more then 5 games but if you think Mario was going to come here and in year 1 win 11-12 games you were dreaming.

ehh. tcu was 7-6, 5-7, 6-4, 5-7 the last 4 years. they dont have more talent than miami. they were better coached this year. its okay to say Mario absolutely CORCHED it up this year. doesn't mean **** do the same next year but for this year, he abolsutely sucked and failed at his job as a coach.

 

[KANE]

I say this respectfully, but this article is full of chit.

The Transfer Portal has been around since 2019, & we were the Godfather of it. Teams eventually started to follow our lead, when it was deemed as unsustainable, initially.

I was talking to my guy at SC last night, & we discussed this. The difference between what Riley did vs. everyone else is that Riley secured the most important position on the field, QB1; but, it wasn’t just any QB1, it was thee #1 QB1 both coming out of HS & The Portal. A QB1 who belonged to the coach who recruited him at his old spot.

U have that same QB1 who was friends w/ WR1 in the Transfer Portal, & WR2 happened to belong to Riley at his old spot, & WR3 is the God Son of SC Royalty. It was literally the perfect crescendo in the portal, nothing revolutionary or “out of the box.”

Facts!!!

 

[Mackmiller974]

ehh. tcu was 7-6, 5-7, 6-4, 5-7 the last 4 years. they dont have more talent than miami. they were better coached this year. its okay to say Mario absolutely CORCHED it up this year. doesn't mean **** do the same next year but for this year, he abolsutely sucked and failed at his job as a coach.

Oh they were definitely better coached, I’m just saying their season isn’t that impressive to me.

 

[HurricaneOmeezy]

I love the justification for how a long term rebuild of “culture” to hopefully one day win 9 games is better than a quicker rebuild a la Riley this year, or even Tucker last year. Gotta love the Mario apologists.

Mario was a complete and utter failure this year. It wasn’t worth it to have this abysmal of a season for such a long term rebuild. But hey, he’s a Miami guy who understands the culture right? Lmao, some of you man, delusional.

If Mario doesn’t completely overhaul this staff for next year, he’s even dumber than I thought. And all the 5 stars in the world that he signs won’t mean **** if his ****** *** staff won’t put them in positions to succeed, or at least coach them up decently.

“Only a Miami guy can fix this” so many of you said lmao.

 

[Scorpioncane]

What about TCU?

They were 5-7 last season and Sonny Dykes now has them undefeated and on the doorstep of a CFP berth… mostly thanks to his offense.

Miami could have hired an offensive minded HC similar to Lincoln Riley or Sonny Dykes, but instead they hired a “Culture Corch” who wants to employ the Woody Hayes offense.

Obviously culture was a problem genius!